Paxton Lynch/Connor Cook thread

I'd have a big problem if the Cowboys scouted him and thought he was worthy of the 34th pick. Forget the off the field stuff. Look on the field.

He's not a great QB.

A lot of draft pundits have him in that range, so they are seeing something you're not. Don't know if Dallas feels the same way. The Cowboys could have him as a fifth-round pick for all we know. I just think it's silly to believe that we know better.
 
That is an issue but a bigger issue is he is not very accurate and that really worries me
I do like lynch though

Thing is, just from watching his highlights, he does a better job than the other QBs of leading his receivers when he's on target. That leads me to believe that his accuracy issues have less to do with ability and more to do with other things like mechanics.

Some of what I've read is that he does not set his feet when he has to move out of the pocket. Things like that can be correctable, but (here's where attitude comes into play) he has to want to correct them.

If Dallas has him rated where he is a value to the team at 34, then I have to believe that the Cowboys believe his problems are correctable and that he wants to correct them.
 
A lot of draft pundits have him in that range, so they are seeing something you're not. Don't know if Dallas feels the same way. The Cowboys could have him as a fifth-round pick for all we know. I just think it's silly to believe that we know better.

Then I hope other teams make that mistake, and not us. Cook will not be a good pro QB. You can't magically become accurate in the NFL.
 
So this years 1st, (no 2nd), 3rd, and 4th and next year's 1st ,2nd, and maybe 3rd.
Almost two whole drafts...sweet! Please do it!

In exchange for the No. 2 overall pick, the Browns would receive the No. 8 overall pick, two third-round picks (No. 77, 79), a 2017 first-round pick and a 2017 third-round pick
 
In exchange for the No. 2 overall pick, the Browns would receive the No. 8 overall pick, two third-round picks (No. 77, 79), a 2017 first-round pick and a 2017 third-round pick

Yeah, saw that.
Almost exactly--value-wise--what was predicted.
All for moving up 6 slots.
 
It's being reported that Lynch has a Wonderlic of 18.

Um, no.
 
I agree with Phil because I don't see what the fuss over Connor Cook is about. He seemed to get a bad rap for not being the team captain and when the smoke clears on stuff like that, then they start to go the other way and praise the player. He did play in more of a pro style offense at MSU, but the fact is that he didn't move the ball down the field well.

Hackenberg had a lot of hype going into PSU and after his freshman year. I don't see the arm that everybody raves about. I know Phil was a former QB and sometimes teach methods change. For instance, the way Steph Curry shoots the ball is more or less what is taught today and it's vastly different from how Larry Bird shot the ball. So maybe his interpretation of what Hackenberg was taught in terms of throwing the ball as incorrect. But, I didn't see that arm that everybody was talking about when it comes to Hackenberg and he made a lot of boneheaded throws. Sometimes coaches and scouts get caught up in the guy that can read defenses at an early age, but you still have to throw the ball well and throw it well under duress. I think it's a lot easier to learn NFL defenses than it is to learn how to throw the ball well.





YR
I think Hackenbergs throwing issues are a result of bad habits moving his feet, and are things as fixable as people are saying Lynch's throwing issues are. The film seems to show that he was much more accurate under center when forced to move his feet. His issues come in the shotgun where he'd just get the ball and throw flat footed. When he did decide to move his feet he was much more accurate. That can be fixed. Will post this film breakdown again which gives you some idea of his strengths and weaknesses. Certainly reading defenses is a significant strength compared to pretty much all other QB prospects. And he does have a very good arm.



I now don't think they should waste a pick on a QB. Fix the defense by trying to trade down for more picks. But I actually like Hackenburg maybe more than Lynch. Though I think both are probably odds on to be busts. But I wouldn't be too unhappy about taking him if we were to trade down for more picks and get Billings.
 
We blew it as far as getting a starter.. Time to move on.


If we're going to draft a QB I wouldn't do it before the 4th round and i'd go with someone like Hogan or Allen who could develop into solid backups.

The time for getting an elite prospect ended yesterday.
 
I heard Phil Simms talk about both on SiriusXM yesterday.

He said that Lynch has some throwing mechanic issues that just need to be cleaned up. He said he doesn't spin the ball quite like you would think he would given his arm strength and size. But, that's just due to some of his mechanics. Said that he tends to lower himself at times throwing (usually over-striding). But said when he stays tall he can really rip it. One of the things that Simms stated is something I've stated for a while...he's a tremendous (Phil's words) underneath thrower. And Phil stated that in today's NFL it's a big advantage to have a good underneath thrower. Phil seemed really high on him.

He wasn't high on Cook. Didn't like his throwing motion. Said he never saw him make a 'wow' throw once. He said the same for Hackenberg. Although he did say that he had heard rumors of Hackenberg telling scouts and coaches as to what throwing mechanics were taught to him at Penn State and Phil said it was the exact opposite of what he would teach any QB and he was shocked to hear it because it was such bad information.

I personally want Lynch. In the NFL, the future is just as important as the present. And I still fully believe that if Romo and Dez were healthy, we win the division rather easily. Of course, the division was lousy last year. And we still lost mostly very close games with awful QB's at the helm. To me, there's no reason why we can't win the division with a healthy Romo and Dez. And if we get some help in the defensive backfield and stay relatively healthy on defense, we may be able to do some great things in postseason.

Sure, those are some big 'ifs', but I really think that winning the division with a healthy Romo and Dez is a legitimate reality.

So we really don't need to draft an impact player right now in the first round to take care of the present.

I don't see how Wentz is ranked ahead of Lynch by any scout. Lynch is likely a better athlete with a better arm and a more accurate arm. He's bigger and played against good defenses last year like Temple, Navy, Houston, etc. Meanwhile he had jack squat on offense. Wentz was playing at a much lower level of competition. Sure, he had lower level quality of teammates, but the comparison off offensive support vs. quality of opponents was in his favor. It was not for Lynch.

I can see people preferring Goff to Lynch because Goff is far more ready than Lynch and looks like a tremendous downfield thrower who can already manipulate the safety. But, I think Lynch is head and shoulders better physically and we're not looking to start any QB right away. I actually like Wentz, too...but I just don't understand putting him ahead of Lynch or Goff.

I think with Lynch you have a 6'7" QB that moves around like a 6'2" QB and he can run. I compare him to Aaron Rodgers. Same type of throwing motion, same type of arm strength, great underneath thrower, may not run the fastest 40 time, but can get up and go quickly. Same questions about the college offense they played in. Except Lynch is 6'7" and Rodgers is 6'2".

I think with Lynch you can throw it deep and throw it underneath with him. The intermediate throws will be where he needs to improve most. You can put him in the pistol and use the read option forcing a defender to contain him instead of helping out against the run. You can run read option with the zone runs behind Tyron and force the backside contain out to allow the RB to cut back more easily. If not, Lynch can keep the ball and throw it.





RH

We have no pass rush buddy. We will stop no one on defense running or passing. And we dont have Demarco Murray. We have McChicken. Unless they figure out rather quickly that Morris is a better back. This is NOT your 2014 Cowboys. This team is worse and romo is 2 years older and even more injury prone.
 
I could see it, but it's pretty unlikely. I could definitely see them making a small trade back and taking Lynch there after netting another pick.

If Lynch stayed in school he would be the #1 pick in the draft next year. I would no problems dropping back to 15 or so and taking Lynch. But we wont do that. They are taking Bosa. The worst option possible at 4 they will do.
 
If Lynch stayed in school he would be the #1 pick in the draft next year. I would no problems dropping back to 15 or so and taking Lynch. But we wont do that. They are taking Bosa. The worst option possible at 4 they will do.

Drop back to 15 and Lynch won't be there anymore.
 
We have no pass rush buddy. We will stop no one on defense running or passing. And we dont have Demarco Murray. We have McChicken. Unless they figure out rather quickly that Morris is a better back. This is NOT your 2014 Cowboys. This team is worse and romo is 2 years older and even more injury prone.

That's what they said in 2014. And it played out differently.

I think we've missed our window on getting to the Super Bowl with Romo. He's just too old and we don't have the defense for it and by the time we get a defense for it, he will only be older and less effective. I'd rather plan for the future and grab Lynch and continue to build what we can on defense. Let's get the DB's worked out and then hopefully the front seven.

Pass rushers are not at a premium like they once were. QB's get the ball off too quickly. Everybody can talk about Denver, but Denver doesn't get there without a quality defensive backfield like they had. We got MURDERED on pick plays all year long. Ball comes out too fast for us to stop it with a pass rush. We need DB's and LB's that can defend the pick play and actually bring the ball carrier down. We need to be able to play both man and zone to switch things up and then we can focus on a pass rush because then it's reasonable to expect a quality pass rush to get to the QB. The QB doesn't know where to go with the ball, they can't just dink and dunk and if they do, we can stop those plays for short yards.

And I still think if Romo and Dez are healthy, we win the NFC East. The division just isn't very good.





YR
 
Drop back to 15 and Lynch won't be there anymore.

It really is amazing isnt it? A month ago QB's werent worth it and certainly not these guys. Now after two mega trades to get the top QB's all of a sudden everyone finally remembers how valuable QB's are over position players. Now Lynch has gone from an early 2nd round pick to top 15 or higher. Now its going way the other way.
 
That's what they said in 2014. And it played out differently.

I think we've missed our window on getting to the Super Bowl with Romo. He's just too old and we don't have the defense for it and by the time we get a defense for it, he will only be older and less effective. I'd rather plan for the future and grab Lynch and continue to build what we can on defense. Let's get the DB's worked out and then hopefully the front seven.

Pass rushers are not at a premium like they once were. QB's get the ball off too quickly. Everybody can talk about Denver, but Denver doesn't get there without a quality defensive backfield like they had. We got MURDERED on pick plays all year long. Ball comes out too fast for us to stop it with a pass rush. We need DB's and LB's that can defend the pick play and actually bring the ball carrier down. We need to be able to play both man and zone to switch things up and then we can focus on a pass rush because then it's reasonable to expect a quality pass rush to get to the QB. The QB doesn't know where to go with the ball, they can't just dink and dunk and if they do, we can stop those plays for short yards.

And I still think if Romo and Dez are healthy, we win the NFC East. The division just isn't very good.





YR

How could they be saying that in 2014 we had Demarco Murray. And our pass rush was bad, its just that somehow we were top 3 in D turnovers. For my money it was controlling the game with the dominant run game that forced other offenses to be more out of rhythm and more desperate.

Im all for getting the next QB. Pass rusher are no longer a premium? And yah, Denver had two great ones and that was one of the big reason they won the SB.

And yah, if Romo and Dez are healthy we probably do. So what is your point on that exactly? Are we making the playoffs or building a championship team?
 
It really is amazing isnt it? A month ago QB's werent worth it and certainly not these guys. Now after two mega trades to get the top QB's all of a sudden everyone finally remembers how valuable QB's are over position players. Now Lynch has gone from an early 2nd round pick to top 15 or higher. Now its going way the other way.

Hearing Lynch might end up a Top 5 pick....teams moving up to get a potential franchise player. Only 3-5 potential franchise players in the draft and 3 of them are QB's
 
Hearing Lynch might end up a Top 5 pick....teams moving up to get a potential franchise player. Only 3-5 potential franchise players in the draft and 3 of them are QB's

Really, since when? That is news to me. A month ago Lynch was an early second round pick. If he is a top 5 pick then people are really reaching.
 
This will be like last year when everyone assumed Dallas would draft a RB. I say no QB will be drafted.
 
It really is amazing isnt it? A month ago QB's werent worth it and certainly not these guys. Now after two mega trades to get the top QB's all of a sudden everyone finally remembers how valuable QB's are over position players. Now Lynch has gone from an early 2nd round pick to top 15 or higher. Now its going way the other way.

It is amazing. The thing is, there's no way to know for sure. I remember feeling anticipation/temptation when Jerry had the chance to draft Manziel. However, when he took Martin, my gut said he did the right thing. That's turned out to be right. When I watch tape of Lynch playing, my gut says this kid will be good -- but only as long as someone gives him time to develop instead of throwing him to the wolves. Granted, my gut isn't always right. Last year I wanted Melvin Gordon, and he hasn't worked out so well for his team, at least not yet.
 

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