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PFF Gives Dak Bad Grade

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by PJTHEDOORS, Oct 17, 2016.

  1. Cowboy4ever

    Cowboy4ever Well-Known Member

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    Yet to be seen but why would you bring that up in a post regarding Dak? I didn't mention Romo or any other player, just how Dak played.
     
  2. Gator88

    Gator88 Well-Known Member

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    Please tell me which of Brady, Peyton, Brees, and Rodgers isn't great. Obviously one or more of those QBS can't be a great QB by that definition since they all played at the same time.
     
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  3. jobberone

    jobberone Kane Ala Moderator

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    He's not trying to make him anything IMO. I might not agree with everything he says but he makes his case thoughtfully.

    I do agree Dak has to protect the ball and that is the number one goal of any QB.
     
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  4. Vtwin

    Vtwin Power and Performance

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    The Dez catch?
    Watch it again. GB sold out to take away the middle. Romo went to his jump ball specializing superstar receiver who was single covered, who made the play.
    If Dez has considered the situation and focused solely on maintaining possession and the first down it's first and goal.

    Sometimes I think this fanbase has gotten exactly what it deserved the last twenty years.
     
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  5. TheRomoSexual

    TheRomoSexual Well-Known Member

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    Those are who I classify as the truly "great" QBs of the last decade or so (along with Favre). Romo is in the next tier IMO.
     
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  6. SuspectCorner

    SuspectCorner Bromo Zone Supporter

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    Favre: Hey, kid - you're showing up Aaron Rodgers... and I like it!
     
  7. ConceptCoop

    ConceptCoop Well-Known Member

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    You might want to read up on what PFF's performace grade actually is. Based on your comments, you're taking it to be something that it's not. It's far from ridiculous. It's not perfect, but it's valuable. NFL teams use their data, BTW.
     
  8. Gator88

    Gator88 Well-Known Member

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    By your own definition, at least one of those cannot be a great QB (consistently a top 3 QB in the league). I don't see those guys as just great, and I personally don't see much of a difference between Romo, Rodgers, Rivers, and Roeth, now that Rodgers has been average for what looks like 2 seasons. I'd add Brees there too, but that's more due to thinking his stats are inflated due to the offense him and Payton run.
     
  9. TheRomoSexual

    TheRomoSexual Well-Known Member

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    It is most certainly prone to ridiculous, isolated conclusions.
     
  10. Clove

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    Romo predetermined the play. He was going Dez no matter what.
     
  11. ConceptCoop

    ConceptCoop Well-Known Member

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    How so? Do you have examples?

    If you want boxscores, use those. That's not what PFF's player grade is. If 3 TDs and a win in GB is a great performance for you, that's great. But that's not what PFF is. Most people who bash it haven't taken the time to read up on what it actually is.
     
  12. TheRomoSexual

    TheRomoSexual Well-Known Member

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    No, each of those QBs (Favre, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, and Peyton) were top 3 quarterbacks for at least 5+ years. That's consistently being top 3. Romo has never really touched that.
     
  13. JD_KaPow

    JD_KaPow jimnabby

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    I don't know the answer, but fumbles and INTs are really really bad, and I see a lot of people glossing over them in these comments. Dak fumbled twice and threw an INT yesterday. He also made a bunch of good plays, sure. But it wasn't this spectacular performance that a lot of people seem to think it was.
     
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  14. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Moderator

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    You go watch the Philly game and see what Wentz had to go through with his offensive line.
     
  15. ConceptCoop

    ConceptCoop Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. For a rookie making his 6th start, it was great. But as an objective performance, in a vacuum, it wasn't.
     
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  16. TheRomoSexual

    TheRomoSexual Well-Known Member

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    I never said Dak played "great." But they rated Wentz higher, which is absurd. Last year, they had Palmer rated way above Brady even though Brady had more yards, TDs, and fewer Ints. The point is PFF is a very "forest for the trees" analysis and, therefore, it can result in strange individual results.
     
  17. ConceptCoop

    ConceptCoop Well-Known Member

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    Why is it absurd? Did you chart and grade every snap for the two? Again, you're using boxscores and that's not what PFF is. If a QB throws a bad pass, but the WR catches it, breaks tackles, and scores a TD, that is not going to be graded highly on PFF (for the QB). It will if you're just using boxscore stats. If that's what you're looking for, that's fine, but that's not what PFF does. Likewise, if a QB makes a perfect read and perfect throw, but the WR drops it, the play will score highly for the QB, even though it doesn't show up on the boxscore.

    Palmer had higher YP/A, YP/C, AYP/A, NY/A, ANY/A, TD%, QBR, etc. Again, if TD/INT is all that matters to you, use that. But some feel there's a lot more to consider.
     
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  18. TheRomoSexual

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    Yes, broader stats (TDs, Ints, yards, etc) tend to mean more to me. I think football is the type of game that, if you get too deep into the stats, you miss the larger picture. And while I didn't "chart and grade" every snap, I watched both players and feel confident in saying that Dak way outperformed Wentz. And I think it's cute that you think PFF spends so much time charting and analyzing -- their rating for Dak came out like 20 minutes after the game.
     
  19. JD_KaPow

    JD_KaPow jimnabby

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    Palmer was better than Brady last year, on a rate basis. Brady threw for 99 more yards and 1 more TD, but it took him 83 more passes to get there. Palmer had a better passer rating, QBR and yards per attempt than Brady. There's probably an argument the other way, but it's not at all a ridiculous claim that Palmer was better.

    Again, fumbles and INTs are really really bad. Turning the ball over is about as costly as gaining 50 yards is valuable. Fumbling twice and throwing an INT puts a QB in a massive deficit when comparing to another guy who didn't have any of those. So it's not surprising that that's enough to offset the difference in quality of the rest of their play.
     
  20. TheRomoSexual

    TheRomoSexual Well-Known Member

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    I never said it was ridiculous to rate Palmer higher than Brady -- it is, however, ridiculous to rate Palmer a 98 and Brady a 92. And you're right, INTs are bad, hence why I put a lot of stock in Brady only throwing 7 last year vs. Palmer's 11.
     

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