News: PFT: Elliott's dad says "legal team is ready to fight"

[goshan]

I'm not sure those texts undermine her as much as you may think.

Think of this hypothetical...Zeke and this girl (let's call her Sally) are in a relationship where he's been physically abusive to her. But like a lot of abused women she stays in the relationship and doesn't report any abuse because she loves him, et cetera. Eventually, Zeke loses interest in their relationship but she's still emotionally invested (which she clearly seemed to be). Because Zeke has put the kabosh on the relationship, she threatens to report him to police as a way of being vindictive and hoping to spook him back into seeing her.

I think that very plausible scenario comports with the reported text messages (admittedly, I haven't read all of them). If so,

Absolutely. This probably echoes the NFL's explanation of what happened. She was willing to absorb (take) the abuse until he dumped her. After that, she wanted to ruin him. In some regards her saying she wanted to 'ruin him' could validate the NFL's POV on the case.

 

[Nightman]

You can't have ad hoc DV committees running around acting like trained investigators, criminologists, prosecutors, judges and juries....... the whole thing would be laughable if it wasn't real....... I bet Kenny Houston really knows how to interrogate a hostile witness..... it reads like a ton of assumptions were made and all of them had to line up against EE to even think of suspending him....... and all exculpatory evidence was discarded

 

[erod]

I doubt it, but maybe it should? False accusations against black men by white women have a long and sordid history in this country.

That's oversimplified though.

This is a superstar black athlete who's never heard the word "no" and has a serious party problem, and a crazy white stripper hoping to gold-dig her way out of her predicament to become a celebrity athlete wife.

Stereotypes running amok.

 

[links18]

That's oversimplified though.

This is a superstar black athlete who's never heard the word "no" and has a serious party problem, and a crazy white stripper hoping to gold-dig her way out of her predicament to become a celebrity athlete wife.

Stereotypes running amok.

Right and I am not sure dad's tweets are entirely helpful either.....

 

[BourbonBalz]

So, a hypothetical. Someone sees me out with another woman on a few occasions and tells my wife about it, and she confronts me. I admit that I slept with the woman one time, but we only talked/had drinks/whatever the other times. Does the fact that I admitted sleeping with her once mean I'm not lying about the other times? Tell that one to your wife and see how it works out. Even if you're telling the truth, you are NOT believable. Remember now, this is COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[erod]

Right and I am not sure dad's tweets are entirely helpful either.....

Nope, he needs to shut his pie-hole and let this procedure take place.

 

[goshan]

Right and I am not sure dad's tweets are entirely helpful either.....

his parents are hurting him for sure.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

The basic flaw in your thinking is that you ASSUME that since she came clean about lying regarding one instance means she automatically wasn't lying about the others. Why? Liars lie. They're not limited to one lie. What makes you assume she only lied once?

I know what you're saying but it doesn't hold up.

If so, every single one of us are in trouble because we've all lied, bent the truth, et cetera, about something at sometime in our lives.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I'm not sure those texts undermine her as much as you may think.

Think of this hypothetical...Zeke and this girl (let's call her Sally) are in a relationship where he's been physically abusive to her. But like a lot of abused women she stays in the relationship and doesn't report any abuse because she loves him, et cetera. Eventually, Zeke loses interest in their relationship but she's still emotionally invested (which she clearly seemed to be). Because Zeke has put the kabosh on the relationship, she threatens to report him to police as a way of being vindictive and hoping to spook him back into seeing her.

I think that very plausible scenario comports with the reported text messages (admittedly, I haven't read all of them). If so,

In a court of law it undermines her completely. That’s why the DA didn’t prosecute EE even though he now says that he believes her. He believes her and she has photos of her bruises and he still didn’t arrest him. Why? Because her credibility was shot once she lied to police and asked her friend to do the same. And that there are affidavits stating that she said she would ruin his career.


The issue is that the NFL is playing by a whole different set of rules and doesn’t care that she lied about the incident. They have said as much.




YR

 

[Sydla]

I'm not sure those texts undermine her as much as you may think.

Think of this hypothetical...Zeke and this girl (let's call her Sally) are in a relationship where he's been physically abusive to her. But like a lot of abused women she stays in the relationship and doesn't report any abuse because she loves him, et cetera. Eventually, Zeke loses interest in their relationship but she's still emotionally invested (which she clearly seemed to be). Because Zeke has put the kabosh on the relationship, she threatens to report him to police as a way of being vindictive and hoping to spook him back into seeing her.

I think that very plausible scenario comports with the reported text messages (admittedly, I haven't read all of them). If so,

Not when taking into account the girl admitted she lied about one of the incidents and tried to get a friend to also lie about it.

Now when you see those texts in conjunction with her being caught lying it's hard to then jump to the conclusion that she really was a battered woman who finally had enough when Zeke dumped her.

 

[BourbonBalz]

I know what you're saying but it doesn't hold up.

If so, every single one of us are in trouble because we've all lied, bent the truth, et cetera, about something at sometime in our lives.

Yes, but not when things are serious. One thing law enforcement is always asked on the stand is "have you ever lied". I always say of course I've lied, but never under oath and never in regards to my job (except on UC work). This woman lied about these particular circumstances, so she loses ALL credibility IN THIS MATTER. It doesn't mean she never tells the truth. It simply means she has zero credibility in regards to this particular investigation because she's already shown the propensity to lie to support her claims (not to mention she tried to get others to lie for her as well, which further destroys her credibility).

 

[goshan]

Not when taking into account the girl admitted she lied about one of the incidents and tried to get a friend to also lie about it.

Now when you see those texts in conjunction with her being caught lying it's hard to then jump to the conclusion that she really was a battered woman who finally had enough when Zeke dumped her.

If he did it....I doubt she was a 'battered woman' over many months. It appears as though she has a bad temper, is a little crazy, lies and probably is pretty physical herself (cat fights, etc). I suspect she got in his face, and maybe even pushed or slapped him. I have had a girl or two do that to me before (many years ago).

So, I suspect he probably got mad and grabbed her in response. But you just can't do that as a guy. You have to take the abuse yourself and walk away.

And now he is in a tough spot. He can't come out and say that is what happened, because we won't get any sympathy for the situation and he is basically admitting DV. That is why you will continue to hear Zeke's team not address the allegation head on, instead focusing on damaging Tiffany's credibility.

He would win in a court of law with this approach, but not in a 'workplace hearing' where the NFL is clearly trying to make an example.

 

[goshan]

In a court of law it undermines her completely. That’s why the DA didn’t prosecute EE even though he now says that he believes her. He believes her and she has photos of her bruises and he still didn’t arrest him. Why? Because her credibility was shot once she lied to police and asked her friend to do the same. And that there are affidavits stating that she said she would ruin his career.


The issue is that the NFL is playing by a whole different set of rules and doesn’t care that she lied about the incident. They have said as much.




YR

You and I agree on this. They actually have zero rules.

 

[waldoputty]

Nope, he needs to shut his pie-hole and let this procedure take place.

with both his parents tweeting, there is a high likelihood that it is under attorney instructions.
zeke should say nothing and tweet nothing.
his parents can represent him publicly.

this is not just a legal battle.
it is also a public relations battle.
PR is very important because the it could cost the NFL money, attendance and tv ratings.
a PR based attack gives Jerry the ammo to go to the other owners and say goodell is costing them $ and brand.
the skank would be smart to move away to a far away town after selling her story for as much as she can get.

they need to absolutely destroy her credibility - like the tweets about the black man/white woman, the be smart comment, etc.
they also need to absolutely destroy the concept that the league is being even handed - like goodell was not even present at the hearing etc.

 

[goshan]

You can't have ad hoc DV committees running around acting like trained investigators, criminologists, prosecutors, judges and juries....... the whole thing would be laughable if it wasn't real....... I bet Kenny Houston really knows how to interrogate a hostile witness..... it reads like a ton of assumptions were made and all of them had to line up against EE to even think of suspending him....... and all exculpatory evidence was discarded

Yep. Agree with you. It's a crazy process.

 

[erod]

Here's the hitch.

This suspension just eliminated the guaranteed money from Zeke's contract. That affects mama, dad, and the entire Elliott family.

Zeke is suddenly a year-to-year guy. One significant injury, or another suspension, and Jerry can now walk away.

The Cowboys were smart to put that in his contract. Tells you they had concerns.

 

[windjc]

I know what you're saying but it doesn't hold up.

If so, every single one of us are in trouble because we've all lied, bent the truth, et cetera, about something at sometime in our lives.

Yeah, sure, anyone can come up with some explanation of the NFLs actions. Still doesn't mean that anything you are using to defend them is true. And it still doesn't make a guilty until proven innocent, but we would really just rather find you guilty to help us look stronger against the backdrop of previous failed investigations/covers ups, any better.

Oh, and hows Jalen doing, btw? LMAO.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Here's the hitch.

This suspension just eliminated the guaranteed money from Zeke's contract. That affects mama, dad, and the entire Elliott family.

Zeke is suddenly a year-to-year guy. One significant injury, or another suspension, and Jerry can now walk away.

The Cowboys were smart to put that in his contract. Tells you they had concerns.

I'm pretty certain that is in every player's contract.





YR

 

[Oh_Canada]

his parents are hurting him for sure.

Probably but if I was his father and believed my son I would probably do the same.

 

[waldoputty]

Probably but if I was his father and believed my son I would probably do the same.

with both his parents tweeting, there is a high likelihood that it is under attorney instructions.