News: PFT: Elliott's dad says "legal team is ready to fight"

[MeTed]

I am not dodging at all. I will say it again:

Who is more credible?

(1) Someone who keeps lying even when you catch them in a lie or
(2) Someone who comes clean and says 'yeah I lied about that'.

The 2nd person is more credible to be than the 1st. Again, its pretty simple.

Neither are credible....

 

[Dhragon]

I know they aren't foolproof, but I wonder if either would submit to a lie detector test. It would boost whoever did it and passed at least with the public opinion matters if nothing else.

 

[Redball Express]

Just because she's crazy, doesn't mean he didn't put his hands on her. It's essentially the same thing as the Greg Hardy case.

Alot more physical evidence there..no?

I think the NFL has enabled a person like his ex-girlfriend to wound Zeke and the league.

This is some sort of extortion of Zeke.

Crazy.

B/w anthem protests and alledged abuse investigations..

the NFL is ruining this game.

 

[xwalker]

.....

Equal Opportunity case.
Giants Player - 1 game
Cowboys Player - 6 games after accuser proven to be liar and want to ruin his career.

Owners can jump in at any time.
Go Jerry.
Good opportunity to punt Goodell and get a commissioner from the NBA.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Equal Opportunity case.
Giants Player - 1 game
Cowboys Player - 6 games after accuser proven to be liar and want to ruin his career.

Owners can jump in at any time.
Go Jerry.
Good opportunity to punt Goodell and get a commissioner from the NBA.

Apparently, Zeke could have gotten away with a one game ban if he attacked Thompson 20 times instead and had the letters "NY" on his helmet.

 

[xwalker]

Apparently, Zeke could have gotten away with a one game ban if he attacked Thompson 20 times instead and had the letters "NY" on his helmet.

The next guy that's threatened with "I'll ruin your career" should find the real life Saul Goodman to take care of the problem.

Mike Ehrmantraut will show up and the problem will be gone. Permanently.

 

[MeTed]

I doubt this evidence does anything. I suspect they already had it, and it doesn't alter the logic the league used to determine whether or not he committed the abuse.

It is clear to me the NFL believes the following happened:

1. Tiffany and Zeke stayed together that week in Ohio at her apartment paid for by Zeke (fact).
2. Zeke abused Tiffany on three separate occasions (Tiffany testimony). Tiffany took pictures of those incidents the days they occurred, evidenced by her cell phone records (time stamps confirmed the dates, and the GPS confirmed they were at the apartment). (Tiffany's testimony, with pictures and time stamps to support it). All this occurred prior to his birthday before the incident.
3. Zeke decided he was done with Tiffany later in the week and said she couldn't come to his birthday party. Hearing this, she fabricated another abuse incident (that he yanked her out of the car) and called/lied to police, and asked her friend to lie as well about this incident. Clearly Tiffany also said she would ruin him. (All the evidence Zeke's team is submitting is related to this incident on his birthday, which the NFL acknowledges was fabricated by Tiffany).
4. Therefore, the NFL has acknowledged that Tiffany lied about the one incident on his birthday, wanted to ruin him, but believe Tiffany is telling the truth regarding the other three incidents that occurred prior. And her phone records match the chronology of her story.
5. Additionally, it also sounds like the NFL had medical examiners look at the pictures, and they probably were consistent with Tiffany's testimony of how the bruises occurred, and were consistent with physical abuse.
6. I also assume, since they decided to believe Tiffany here, that she admitted to the following: (1) fabricating the 'yank from car' story, (2) asking her friends to lie about it and (3) saying that she did want to ruin his career. These admissions actually helped her establish enough credibility in testimony, helping her to convince them that Zeke committed the abuse prior in the week.

So there you have it (the case):
A. Tiffany's testimony of abuse three days prior to birthday event (likely detailed and emotional testimony).
B. Photos on her phone including time stamps and GEO that correspond to her story of the three incidents, all prior to the birthday incident and her bar fight BTW.
C. A medical examiner saying the photos were consistent with abuse and the testimony of events from Tiffany.
D. Tiffany having enough credibility, because she probably admitted to lieing about the events on the birthday and asking her friends to lie, but she stood firm that the prior abuse occurred. And probably provided details and emotional testimony.
E. Zeke's team continues to focus on the day of the birthday but has no explanation for how the bruises got there the prior three days. And the bruises were there, because the pictures (time stamped) prove it.

I don't see how any of the testimony provided by Zeke's father changes or alters the NFL's case.

Zeke also isn't denying that he did anything. If he didn't abuse her at all, he would come out and say "I DIDN'T DO IT". Disagreeing with the 'decision' is not denying the act.

Instead the focus of the legal team is to damage the credibility of Tiffany and to establish motive. This would work in a court of law (and I am positive he would be found innocent), but I don't think it is going to work here as the NFL believes he likely committed abuse, despite the fact that the victim lied and had motive.

This is not a court of law.

Agree with most of your synopsis. However, the credibility of both sides may be in question. To give more weight to one over the other is biased.

From JUL 2016 .... "Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott is emphatically denying accusations of domestic violence alleged in two police reports Friday by a woman in Columbus, Ohio."

https://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/...lliott-denies-womans-claims-domestic-violence

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Yeah, sure, anyone can come up with some explanation of the NFLs actions. Still doesn't mean that anything you are using to defend them is true. And it still doesn't make a guilty until proven innocent, but we would really just rather find you guilty to help us look stronger against the backdrop of previous failed investigations/covers ups, any better.

Oh, and hows Jalen doing, btw? LMAO.

Wth?

The meandering ramblings of the stunted.

 

[waldoputty]

Equal Opportunity case.
Giants Player - 1 game
Cowboys Player - 6 games after accuser proven to be liar and want to ruin his career.

Owners can jump in at any time.
Go Jerry.
Good opportunity to punt Goodell and get a commissioner from the NBA.

nice, but the race card works a lot better than the team card.

 

[Dracula]

******, Zeke send in the sharks and take it to the courts. Jerry has money x a billion to fight this. No mercy.

 

[Nightman]

******, Zeke send in the sharks and take it to the courts. Jerry has money x a billion to fight this. No mercy.

The NFLPA will have to pay.....if Jerry pays it would go against the salary cap

 

[waldoputty]

******, Zeke send in the sharks and take it to the courts. Jerry has money x a billion to fight this. No mercy.

NFLPA has said they pay lawyer bills unless elliott choose his own lawyers

 

[waldoputty]

Agree with most of your synopsis. However, the credibility of both sides may be in question. To give more weight to one over the other is biased.

From JUL 2016 .... "Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott is emphatically denying accusations of domestic violence alleged in two police reports Friday by a woman in Columbus, Ohio."

https://sportsday.**************/da...lliott-denies-womans-claims-domestic-violence

one said has confirmed attempt to falsify evidence
the other side has not.
big difference in the facts.
anything else is denying the facts.
or someone has an agenda.

 

[MRV52]

NFLPA has said they pay lawyer bills unless elliott choose his own lawyers

Zeke can choose his own lawyers and -------------------------------------> Jerry pays the bill.

 

[waldoputty]

Zeke can choose his own lawyers and -------------------------------------> Jerry pays the bill.

i am not sure jerry is allowed to pay the bills without it counting as compensation.
keep noses as clean as possible in litigation.
at the same time, a non-affiliated fan of the team should be hiring PIs to dig up dirt on goodell and his gang of 4.
leak, leak, leak

 

[speedkilz88]

i am not sure jerry is allowed to pay the bills without it counting as compensation.
keep noses as clean as possible in litigation.
at the same time, a non-affiliated fan of the team should be hiring PIs to dig up dirt on goodell and his gang of 4.
leak, leak, leak

If I were one of his parents that would already be a done deal.

 

[waldoputty]

If I were one of his parents that would already be a done deal.

both his parents are making comments already.
i would suspect those comments/tweets are crafted, timed, planned by the attorneys.
this could be the first serious NFLPA/Goodell PR war and it will be fought in the social media for a substantial amount of it.

Attack her falsifying of evidence.
Pound of the black man - white woman - be smart threats.
Attack the lack of integrity of the process.

Then add the equal rights race fight at the EEOC.
White man - 1 game
Black man - 6 games with proven liar as accuser and the intent/pattern of evidence falsification.

 

[pugilist]

 

[speedkilz88]

both his parents are making comments already.
i would suspect those comments/tweets are crafted, timed, planned by the attorneys.
this could be the first serious NFLPA/Goodell PR war and it will be fought in the social media for a substantial amount of it.

Attack her falsifying of evidence.
Pound of the black man - white woman - be smart threats.
Attack the lack of integrity of the process.

Then add the equal rights race fight at the EEOC.
White man - 1 game
Black man - 6 games with proven liar as accuser and the intent/pattern of evidence falsification.

Referring to the hiring of PIs. Go after them with full fire and fury.

 

[goshan]

That question has been answered. A potential scenario is that she didn't want to report him because she was hoping they would still be together. Very common occurrence in DV situations.