News: PFT: NFL: Goodell was aware of Kia Roberts’ opinions

[CCBoy]

They have so little credibility anymore when they do come forward.

This whole thing makes me enjoy football less. Goodell has his fingers around the neck of the Golden Goose and is squeezing for some reason. I don't get it.

I think that it boils down to power and greed of control. When realistic loss of habeas corpus occurs, tyranny almost always follows.

 

[CCBoy]

His new extension is not official

You are correct.

 

[Plankton]

So who made the ultimate decision? Goodell? Friel? the panel?

 

[Bizwah]

If the suspension was based on the recommendations of the 4 member independent panel and Goodell withheld key information from that panel, then they didn't follow procedure.

Thanks. Makes more sense now.

 

[Kevinicus]

Seriously? Talk about strawman argument here.

I've mentioned before we live in a society where you are innocent until proven guilty. Our constitution protects us from such offenses such as slander and false accusations - the same offenses which is bringing brought onto Zeke via the NFL.

The NFL is guilty of this. Zeke never went to trail. Never was brought to a court of alw to be prosecuted. Or even sniffed being close to the guilt which Tiffany Tompson laid on him thru her lies. Not even close. Yet your saying that its within the NFL jurisdiction to take the lies of the accuser, ignore sworn testimonies and affidavits, and eyewitness from officials?

No the strawman argue is yours. When you say that NFL was within your means you are incorrect. They still need to abide by the laws of our nation. Just because the NFL is all mighty powerful doesn't mean they can circumvent these laws.

You still don't understand the law and what will be looked at in court. It is not about his guilt/innocence. It is about the process, and that is what the new information we have is about.

I don't think you know what a strawman is either.

 

[ConstantReboot]

You still don't understand the law and what will be looked at in court. It is not about his guilt/innocence. It is about the process, and that is what the new information we have is about.

I don't think you know what a strawman is either.

Like I said a hundred times. The NFL still has to abide by the laws of the United States, period. Innocent until proven guilty weighs a lot in this proceedings. And if a judge proclaims that the NFL is guilty of slandering Zeke's name for not particular reason whatsoever then the conduct policy won't hold up to a court of law. So far, there are many discrepancies to the way the NFL has handled this mess. That will all be taken into consideration in a court of law in front of a judge. If then, the judge finds the NFL is found to have slandered against Mr. Elliott's name that conduct policy won't hold up.

 

[Nightman]

You still don't understand the law and what will be looked at in court. It is not about his guilt/innocence. It is about the process, and that is what the new information we have is about.

I don't think you know what a strawman is either.

Suppressing key exculpatory evidence is definitely part of the defense's case and that speaks directly to his guilt or innocence as well as the process

 

[BAT]

So let me get this straight..........

The NFL found the accuser, who had been caught lying on numerous occasions and whom none of them spoke with, credible.
The NFL found their Lead investigator's, the only NFL employee that interviewed the accuser, assessment and recommendation, not credible?


They're gonna go down with the ship.

Save the ship, throw Goodell and Friel overboard instead.

 

[TINGS21]

This is the point, Roberts who was the lead investigator doesn't report to Goodell. She reports to Lisa Friel (self proclaim Giants fan). It was Friel who decided to press "charges" and who decided not to include Roberts on the panel and ignore Roberts recommendation that no charges be filed against Zeke. All Goodell has to say is he allowed Friel to do her job.

Classic example on how terrible the big media is. She's a Giants fan, probably doesn't pay for her season tickets, and you can't find any reports questioning her obvious bias or how she was the one who gave the Giants Punter 1 game.

 

[Corso]

So who made the ultimate decision? Goodell? Friel? the panel?

The life-sized poster of Eli Manning in some depraved woman's basement.

 

[mmohican29]

It's almost like Goodell didn't realize the PA gave him an out to clear himself and put this on Friel if the suspension is lifted altogether.....why would you admit to knowing about anything at this point other than grandstanding? Moron

Exactly.

I posted earlier. Goodell is Daffy Duck.

Shoot me now. vs Shoot me when we get home.

It's mind numbing stupidity even from a tactics standpoint.

 

[Kevinicus]

Suppressing key exculpatory evidence is definitely part of the defense's case and that speaks directly to his guilt or innocence as well as the process

But it's only the process aspect of that which matters in court.

 

[Kevinicus]

Like I said a hundred times. The NFL still has to abide by the laws of the United States, period. Innocent until proven guilty weighs a lot in this proceedings. And if a judge proclaims that the NFL is guilty of slandering Zeke's name for not particular reason whatsoever then the conduct policy won't hold up to a court of law. So far, there are many discrepancies to the way the NFL has handled this mess. That will all be taken into consideration in a court of law in front of a judge. If then, the judge finds the NFL is found to have slandered against Mr. Elliott's name that conduct policy won't hold up.

Do you understand that not every law applies to every situation? Innocent until proven guilty applies to the government charging an individual with a crime.

The way the NFL has *handled* this mess is what the court will deal with, NOT his guilt or innocence. That is what we have always said, and now there is more evidence that they did not handle this properly. The NFL is stupid. They could have gotten away with the suspension if they had followed procedures and not blocked evidence etc and then just made their wrongheaded ruling anyway. Instead they provided lots of evidence to damn themselves.

 

[Real1st]

“The union has single-handedly turned back the clock and trampled on the rights of victims by saying it’s okay to commit violence against women as long as you’re provoked,” Joe Lockhart, the NFL’s executive vice president of communications and public affairs, said by phone Friday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ctims-rights/?utm_term=.efc2ddebe09f#comments


This is the NFLs tactic right now lol. These people are sick.

 

[speedkilz88]

These clowns need to be fired.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

But it's only the process aspect of that which matters in court.

Where evidence is suppressed the process itself has become flawed. The logical extension of your argument is that the commissioner can suspend anyone at any time for any reason at all, or for no reason, provided a process can be mapped and documented. This is, of course, untrue. The question is whether the process was sufficiently flawed to put it at odds with the labor agreement. It appears judges will decide.

 

[Kevinicus]

Where evidence is suppressed the process itself has become flawed. The logical extension of your argument is that the commissioner can suspend anyone at any time for any reason at all, or for no reason, provided a process can be mapped and documented. This is, of course, untrue. The question is whether the process was sufficiently flawed to put it at odds with the labor agreement. It appears judges will decide.

You misunderstand what I am saying. The supression of evidence does show the process is flawed and that is one reason Zeke now appears to have a stronger case. And that is what will be focused on in court.

And no, the extension of my logic does not suggest that he could suspend anyone for any reason. Not at all. *Any* reason would not fall within the scope of the CBA.

 

[Corso]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ctims-rights/?utm_term=.efc2ddebe09f#comments


This is the NFLs tactic right now lol. These people are sick.

Just mercenaries who have no scruples. I'm thinking you might be surprised at how many of those peeps are out there. Their presence is prolific.

 

[erod]

Apparently Roberts' interviews with Thompson describe Zeke using significant amounts of cocaine and weed, and he drinks heavily almost every day.

That's what concernsme long term.

 

[casmith07]

I get what you're saying, but I will say she had as much to do with that as they did. Certainly doesn't help that they played this definitely didn't help though.

I get it, but I'm putting the burden on the multi-billion dollar corporation with the alleged expert staff of attorneys, advisors, and consultants over a college student and bottle service waitress from Columbus, OH.