PFT: Reeves: “Coaches Never Punch A Clock”

theogt;2727313 said:
Oh, I see. So it has nothing to do with what you originally claimed and now you're just arguing that it'd odd, because well, you just need to something to complain about. Very good.

LOL. So now a team not hiring a consultant is dysfunctional? Like I said, you really just argue for the sake of arguing, regardless of your stance.

If you throw one more strawman into this debate, I'm gonna be forced to purchase a John Deere bailer. We are obviously operating on different planes of reality. I see the team as it really is, whereas you dutifully regurgitate Valley Ranch talking points. To call them "dysfuntional" is an empirical fact, not a point of controversy. Have fun defending the indefensible.
 
bbgun;2727339 said:
If you throw one more strawman into this debate, I'm gonna be forced to purchase a John Deere bailer. We are obviously operating on different planes of reality. I see the team as it really is, whereas you dutifully regurgitate Valley Ranch talking points. To call them "dysfuntional" is an empirical fact, not a point of controversy. Have fun defending the indefensible.
And here's the "I'm right, you're wrong" post. I guess that about wraps it up.
 
theogt;2727120 said:
Who are they going to hire? Who would be willing to take on such a role that has the experience and the relationship?

Do these types grow on trees? I think they feel they can do without someone, but because the opportunity presented itself, they tried to make it work.

Really, how is this so hard to understand?

I don't know how, either. It seems pretty simple to me.

Except my guess on why Jerry pulled the plug wasn't "Wade having too much power" or anything like that -- which makes no sense to me to anyway -- but that maybe Jerry didn't want to pay another big contract next year and the year after in case he has to hire an entire new staff.

And to TwoDeep, on Jerry's claim that every coach has had this clause: Jerry fibs a lot, and I think this was one of those times. This one said Reeves had to work as many hours as the head coach. If Jimmy had it, whose hours was he supposed to match? Jerry Jr.'s?
 
stasheroo;2727298 said:
There's a reason why teams outperform their on-paper talent like in New England and Pittsburgh, and why in Dallas they perform well below.

Some have solid foundations with good leadership, and some don't.

Doesnt hurt to have the league's officials consistently in your back pocket, like those two teams do either.
 
dcfanatic;2726931 said:
Name an NFL coach, assistant coach or consultant with this clause in their contract. Prove to me that no other NFL coaches or assistant coaches don't have this clause. It is irrelevant anyway even if it were only the Dallas Cowboys. No coach has left Valley Ranch because of the structure except Dan Reeves.

Maybe if you reviewed the structure of this contract and knew the details of the compensation then perhaps you could comment more intelligently about it.

Who cares about your employment situation. You are not Dan Reeves. Who cares about the substance of your opinions you are not working within the organization nor are you Dan Reeves or Jerry Jones.

Have you ever heard Jerry talk? If you did you would know he's a lot more involved in the X's and O's than a normal owner. Give me relevant examples or a pattern of when Jerry Jones schemed on the defensive or offensive side of the ball and the coaches acknowledged it. That is more than grasping at straws.

He's the GM. So I would think the guy who is making decisions on what types of players to sign and not to sign has a hand in knowing what the offense and defense are doing as far as scheme goes. Sure a GM should know what is going on both sides of the ball and he gets input from his coaches and scouts - in order to make better acquisition decisions via the draft or free agency. So what is your point besides hyping and twisting with the Jerry wants to be coach generalities.

And Reeves didn't make it an issue because he didn't write the contract. For all we know Stephen Jones could have structured the contract or someone on Jerry's legal staff in conformance to federal, state and local labor laws and NFL protocols. Reeves indeed made it an issue because he objected to that one stipulation. Arguing about it is absurd because we were not privvy to reviewing the contract. Jerry did and he was the one who would not budge on the clause. They both couldn't agree with whatever time stipulation. You could just as easily state that Reeves didn't budge on it either.

The people in here who are saying that Dan Reeves is the type of guy who just wanted to come in a few times a week and collect a free check are ridiculous. Makes me think that a mindset which is close to home for them. I don't think Reeves wanted to come in and collect a free paycheck either but maybe in reality he did want to work a certain amount of hours. This is a guy who has had health issues including a heart attack.

I am sure Dan Reeves was going to be taking three hour lunches where he's off golfing like Steve Spurrier was while he was with the Commanders. No one sensible has stated that Dan Reeves was going to exploit the position or take advantage of extended lunches. By the way, I doubt Jerry would care if he took a longer lunch here and there just as long as he effective met organizational objectives and didn't undermine the coaching work structure.

That's the ticket. That's how he found himself in the Super Bowl so many times as a player and coach. I see, you allow Dan Reeves to rest on his laurels or past success but not Jerry Jones. The Dan Reeves of recent years (before retiring) wasn't a player nor that successful a coach.

Some people are such homers it makes you think they would literally jump off the top of the new stadium if Jerry asked them too.

Some people are so anti-Jerry that they tee off on just about any speculative article or just view any negative action as Jerry's fault. Then when subsequent reports level matters out they rarely if at all acknowledge they were wrong. To me they are football intellectual cowards and lack character.

For the record I do not think Jerry Jones is perfect. In fact I wish he would not have hired Wade Phillips but then again what do I know as an outsider looking in. Jerry is responsible for the state of the team, win loss record over the years including falling short in the post season, the hiring of coaches and players. But that accountability or blame if you like, should be proportionate.

Jerry has made bad decisions but in the aggregate he has elevated and bolstered this franchise. Over the last several years he has improved as a GM as well. That stated considering his age I do not see Jerry in this position for more than a couple of years, maybe not after this season if we dramatically nose dive.
 
dcfanatic;2726931 said:
Name an NFL coach, assistant coach or consultant with this clause in their contract.

Jerry Jones said that every coach he has ever hired had that clause in their contract and Dan Reeves is the only guy that ever had a problem with it. Jerry included Bill Parcells and Jimmy Johnson among the list of coaches that had this stipulation.

You calling Jerry Jones a liar???
 
I am laughing my arse off at some of the responses in this thread backing Dan Reeves.

Like any of you guys would pay somebody over a million dollars a year of your own money and not tell them how many hours they have to work.

Yea, I am sure that is how you guys operate your own businesses. Yall just let your employees come and go as they dam please.

LOL!!!!!!
 
Hey guys. I thought Dan didn't take the job because of the "T.O. factor". Can someone elaborate?

:rake:
 
cowboyed;2727483+ [COLOR=blue said:
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Jerry has made bad decisions but in the aggregate he has elevated and bolstered this franchise.


We now have Rowdy - The Official Mascot of Miller Lite, driving his Official Toyota 4 Wheeler waving his Ford flag in the air while scarfing down a slice of Pappa Johns and washing it down with a Pepsi Cola in front of the HBO cameras for training camp. I guess thats supposedly 'elevating' the franchise in a sense if thats how you define it. Its certainly been a success in lining his pockets, Im not sure its been much of a success in enhancing my sports experience as a fan... in fact quite the opposite.

But please tell me how taking a franchise that had 20 consecutive winning seasons and turning them into a franchise that has 12 consecutive years without a playoff win is 'elevating' the franchise on the field.
 
Jerry screwed up on this one.

I doubt Parcells signed off on such a ridiculous stipulation. So no, I don't think it's a standard clause in every Dallas coaches' contract.

And to see people lining up in masses to side with Jerry is even more ridiculous.

Wade wanted Reeves here, not Jerry. Jerry came up with this off the wall loophole that he knew would agitate a veteran coach like Reeves who has a backbone and personal pride. Wade is just happy to be here, so he'll sign off on anything. But coaches like Parcells, Reeves, Holmgren, and Belichick would laugh in Jerry's face and tell him to shove that contract and that stipulation up his you know what.

You guys siding with Jerry, are you telling me you'd back Jerry if we were on the cusp of signing Bill Belichick as our Head Coach but the deal fell apart for the same reasons. If you would, you're bigger homers than I thought and you're seriously rocking the blue and silver shades.
 
Oh come on some of you. Dan Reeves is a genius. Whether or not the NFL has passed him is beyond my capability to discern. But Landry thought a great deal of him and he's a proven HC and knows offenses.

It would have been great to have him here to help Garrett and help Wade on multiple levels. Wade has a full plate as the DC and HC. Garrett seems to need some help. Dan Reeves was perfect for the job. To think Wade is weak to accept that kind of help is narrow minded.

Jerry should have bent.
 
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Punch your card or get the heck out Danny wooooooo

Get'em Jerry!
 
CATCH17;2727656 said:
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Punch your card or get the heck out Danny wooooooo

Get'em Jerry!

Anyone else have a hard time picturing either Jimmy Jonhson or Bill Parcells using that thing?













Yeah, me too.
 
As I said before I don't care whose more to actually blame on it I blame both Jerry and Dan for their roles in this foolishness. It's silly on both of their sides for it to have ever got to the point it did. Just silly.

As for the rest of this I find it absolutely hilarious that we have people here who try and say "This is exactly how it went down, and why it went like this" and give out some silly little scene on how it went down as if they were actually there to see it unfold.

There isn't a person on this board that has any clue, at all, exactly what all was said, and done, in the meetings between those two. You've got little bits of information from the two involved, Jerry and Dan, and whoever you like better is whose side you're trying to paint to be the victim.

Unless you were in the room, with them, and saw the whole thing unfold then you don't know exactly how it went, in any fashion, based off of a couple of sentences out of a interviews and press releases.
 
TwoDeep3;2727292 said:
Even though Jones specifically stated all his contracts, going back to Jimmy Johnson, had this clause.

exactly.

Said the media was free to come by and look at them because he still has the copies.
 
jterrell;2727730 said:
exactly.

Said the media was free to come by and look at them because he still has the copies.

That quote I would like to see.
 
stasheroo;2727661 said:
Anyone else have a hard time picturing either Jimmy Jonhson or Bill Parcells using that thing?



No Cowboys coach has been asked to punch a clock. Silliness is hard to work into logical discussions but that's what happens when one side has no real argument to make.

I don't punch a clock myself either but I am available to my company during business hours or they'd quickly have issue with that.

Unlike my contract the coaching deals are FULLY guaranteed.

BP, moved down here and focused insane amounts of time here during the season. He didn't fly back to Jersey(or Florida) until the off-season.

If you listen to Reeves statements he gives you the entire deal EXCEPT the clause he didn't like. And Jerry supplies that clause for you and Reeves doesn't deny it.

Reeves: "Jerry actually agreed to everything I wanted quite quickly.... I was already in there working.... Once I asked for additional things Jerry felt he needed a clause in the contract that was a deal breaker for me.... Jerry suggested we stop negotiations and part ways as friends if we couldn't agree quickly.... "

Jerry: "It was a time commitment thing. We were fired up and wanted Dan in here perhaps more than he was willing to commit too. Wade approached me about Dan and we were excited to explore it."

Love Jerry or hate his guts the guy is the boss. You either sign or not. Dan didn't sign and that's fine. While I think he could of helped our offense and especially Garrett some next year I don't know that Garrett can't figure things out quite nicely alone. Dan has parted ways rather acrimoniously in a few stops now. Not sure he was fit here as a consultant as well as we would have liked.
 

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