PFT: Reeves: “Coaches Never Punch A Clock”

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Given the fact he has the integrity of a used car salesman in terms of what comes out of his mouth, yes.

What has he lied about?

 

[Bleu Star]

Responding to your own post is talking to yourself...


:laugh2: Color that!



Sucker....

You can't brush this under the table Mr. "He wouldn't come because of TO".

 

[Beast_from_East]

Are you calling him a truth teller?

I give people the benefit of the doubt unless I see evidence of a lie.

Now I am not talking about changing your mind, everybody sometimes changes their opionion or stance on an issue if more info becomes available or if they have some time to think about it. We all have done this.

What I am talking about is a flat out lie. This would be Jerry saying stipulation XYZ was in every contract he ever signed with a coach and it turning out to be false.

That is a lie, not changing your mind. Do you have any such proof that Jerry is a lier???

 

[Beast_from_East]

You are confused.

Jerry never said that.

You are mistaking the comment about Jerry always having final say on roster decisions.

There ain't no way in hell Wade and Jason Garrett have some silly clause in their contract stating that each has to work as many hours as the other.

Just stop already.

I am not confused, apparently you are.

JERRY SAID FLAT OUT THAT CLAUSE WAS IN EVERY CONTRACT!!!!

Have you actually seen Garrett's or Wade's contract? Then dont make blanket statements that you know for a fact what is or is not in them.

You know jack about what is in Garrett's or Wade's contract because you have never read them. If I am wrong, would you like to explain how you know what is in something you never read???

 

[Beast_from_East]

Given the fact he has the integrity of a used car salesman in terms of what comes out of his mouth, yes.

Calling somebody a flat out lier is a serious charge.


You care to provide any proof or any examples of flat out lies by Jerry or should we just take your word for it???

 

[bbgun]

I give people the benefit of the doubt unless I see evidence of a lie.

Now I am not talking about changing your mind, everybody sometimes changes their opionion or stance on an issue if more info becomes available or if they have some time to think about it. We all have done this.

What I am talking about is a flat out lie. This would be Jerry saying stipulation XYZ was in every contract he ever signed with a coach and it turning out to be false.

That is a lie, not changing your mind. Do you have any such proof that Jerry is a lier???

From Peter King's October 5th column:

And no, Jerry doesn't get a pass for lying to King or any other member of the press, if that was the route you were thinking of taking. You asked for lie and you got one.

 

[Beast_from_East]

From Peter King's October 5th column:

And no, Jerry doesn't get a pass for lying to King or any other member of the press, if that was the route you were thinking of taking. You asked for lie and you got one.

Wow, thats what you came up with???


Everheard of a smokescreen???


Yea, he is suppossed to tell the whole freaking NFL that we are trying to trade for a specific player. Of course you dont tip your hand on player personnel, that seems like common knoledge but I guess not.

I guess your next example will be Jerry saying we dont plan to draft a RB and then drafting Felix Jones in the 1st. I guess Jerry is suppose to share his draft board as well with the league!!!


I guess I have to be more specific, DO YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF A FLAT OUT LIE THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE PLAYER PERSONNEL???

 

[bbgun]

Wow, thats what you came up with???

Took about two seconds. No doubt lots more if I decided to put in the effort.

Everheard of a smokescreen???

Yea, he is suppossed to tell the whole freaking NFL that we are trying to trade for a specific player. Of course you dont tip your hand on player personnel, that seems like common knoledge but I guess not.

I guess your next example will be Jerry saying we dont plan to draft a RB and then drafting Felix Jones in the 1st. I guess Jerry is suppose to share his draft board as well with the league!!!

Irrelevant. You asked for a lie and I gave you a whopper. And just as I predicted, you tried to weasel your way out of it. Typical shill behavior. I could give a rat's arse what his "motive" or "strategy" was. Lying to hide your true intentions is still a lie. Maybe one day that'll finally sink in, but I'm not hopeful.

I guess I have to be more specific, DO YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF A FLAT OUT LIE THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE PLAYER PERSONNEL???

Why should I care if he 's lying about non-football related matters? Lies about the team are the worst of all, so let's stick to that.

 

[dcfanatic]

I am not confused, apparently you are.

JERRY SAID FLAT OUT THAT CLAUSE WAS IN EVERY CONTRACT!!!!

Have you actually seen Garrett's or Wade's contract? Then dont make blanket statements that you know for a fact what is or is not in them.

You know jack about what is in Garrett's or Wade's contract because you have never read them. If I am wrong, would you like to explain how you know what is in something you never read???

Where did Jerry say this? Show me. Show us all. Give us a link to the quote.

Show me that I will gladly admit I was wrong about it.

Was it in the GAC interview?

(I really hope he says yes, lol)

And I know it isn't in their contracts because it's so stupid it's not in any contract that any person in the NFL has ever signed because NO ONE PUNCHES A CLOCK, lol. So how in the hell would anyone regulate it.

The clause was stating that Reeves had to work just as many hours as Jason Garrett and Wade did on a daily basis. That much has already been figured out by anyone who can read.

It was a clause that was meant to slap Reeves in the face and let him know what was what and who was who.

Very very very very very simple.

 

[Stash]

Wow, thats what you came up with???


Everheard of a smokescreen???


Yea, he is suppossed to tell the whole freaking NFL that we are trying to trade for a specific player. Of course you dont tip your hand on player personnel, that seems like common knoledge but I guess not.

I guess your next example will be Jerry saying we dont plan to draft a RB and then drafting Felix Jones in the 1st. I guess Jerry is suppose to share his draft board as well with the league!!!


I guess I have to be more specific, DO YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF A FLAT OUT LIE THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE PLAYER PERSONNEL???

You asked for a lie and you got one.

You can classify it all you want, it doesn't change the fact that it was, is and always will be a lie.

Jerry Jones lied to Peter King a week before he made the Roy Williams deal - end of story.

It's not the first time Jones lied and it sure won't be the last.

You can ask Terrell Owens if you need a more recent example.

But I'm sure we'll all say it was Owens who was lying, after all Jerry has a 'spotless record' in the truth department, right?

 

[jobberone]

I get that Reeves was (allegedly) supposed to help Garrett gameplan and strategize on game weeks during the season. I still have no idea what a 'consultant' is supposed to do from late February to July. If Reeves wanted to fly back to Georgia and spend time with his family in those months, who gives a crap? If you want him here during those month, make him a full time head coach or offensive coordinator.

Again, Jerry just didnt want him here. The contract stipulation just ensured that Jerry could terminate his contract at will any moment Reeves displayed the nasty habit of telling Jerry what he didnt want to hear or, as previously suggested, his new coaching staff next year didnt want him looking over their shoulders. If you think Jerry is entitled to that, fine. I dont necessarily disagree. But to label Reeves as a bad or lazy guy who was looking to steal Jerry's money is absolutely laughable. The guy has put in 45 years in the NFL and forgot more about football during his morning leak than Jerry has learned in 20 years as a 'GM'.

Bravo and thank you.

Some here need to realize that lying happens all the time in corporate matters. Putting a spin on things if you will. Jerry knows business obviously.

Dan was here working. My guess is he stepped on someones toes probably Garrett's or possibly more likely Jerry's. If someone asked Tom Landry to punch a clock they would be laughed at. And I bet Jerry has been heckled some over this latest blunder in back room conversation. But he got Reeves outta there which I assume became his new mission.

I just think it stupid to turn down Dan Reeve's input.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Bravo and thank you.

Some here need to realize that lying happens all the time in corporate matters. Putting a spin on things if you will. Jerry knows business obviously.

Dan was here working. My guess is he stepped on someones toes probably Garrett's or possibly more likely Jerry's. If someone asked Tom Landry to punch a clock they would be laughed at. And I bet Jerry has been heckled some over this latest blunder in back room conversation. But he got Reeves outta there which I assume became his new mission.

I just think it stupid to turn down Dan Reeve's input.

When he says that every coach has had the exact same clause in his contract then that is not spin. Spin is saying something along the lines of 'we just decided to go our seperate ways' when in fact he fired him.

You can either choose to believe him when he says that or not but either Johnson and Parcells had those clauses or they did not. There is no grey area to spin.

Personally, I am inclined to believe him. Parcells is off in Miami with better things to worry about but Johnson works for the network as an analyst and you can bet your bottom dollar that he was asked if this was actually the case. If he would have negated that then you have a big juicy story. The Cowboys make great news.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I get that Reeves was (allegedly) supposed to help Garrett gameplan and strategize on game weeks during the season. I still have no idea what a 'consultant' is supposed to do from late February to July. If Reeves wanted to fly back to Georgia and spend time with his family in those months, who gives a crap? If you want him here during those month, make him a full time head coach or offensive coordinator.

Again, Jerry just didnt want him here. The contract stipulation just ensured that Jerry could terminate his contract at will any moment Reeves displayed the nasty habit of telling Jerry what he didnt want to hear or, as previously suggested, his new coaching staff next year didnt want him looking over their shoulders. If you think Jerry is entitled to that, fine. I dont necessarily disagree. But to label Reeves as a bad or lazy guy who was looking to steal Jerry's money is absolutely laughable. The guy has put in 45 years in the NFL and forgot more about football during his morning leak than Jerry has learned in 20 years as a 'GM'.

Sorry but you are talking about a guy that has been out of coaching and hasn't had a thing to do with the Cowboys in over 30 years. He doesn't know the coaches. He doesn't know the players. He doesn't know the plays. If you think that all of the preparation in preparing a gameplan occurs during the season then you are kidding yourself.

This whole thing about punching a time clock is a strawman anyway. Just because the stipulation is in the contract does not mean he has to punch a clock. Essentially what it does is protect the franchise from him going out and playing golf on the friday before a game like Spurrier was known to do.

What I really find hilarious is that on the one hand, you cannot think that Reeves is culpable in any way shape or from. Its not like he hasn't had serious personality clashes pretty much everywhere he has been. OTOH, its perfectly acceptable to accuse Jerry of the exact same thing.

 

[Jed_70]

Sorry but you are talking about a guy that has been out of coaching and hasn't had a thing to do with the Cowboys in over 30 years. He doesn't know the coaches. He doesn't know the players. He doesn't know the plays. If you think that all of the preparation in preparing a gameplan occurs during the season then you are kidding yourself.

This whole thing about punching a time clock is a strawman anyway. Just because the stipulation is in the contract does not mean he has to punch a clock. Essentially what it does is protect the franchise from him going out and playing golf on the friday before a game like Spurrier was known to do.

What I really find hilarious is that on the one hand, you cannot think that Reeves is culpable in any way shape or from. Its not like he hasn't had serious personality clashes pretty much everywhere he has been. OTOH, its perfectly acceptable to accuse Jerry of the exact same thing.

What I find hilarious is people trying to excuse this BS by saying that the clause would have ensured Dan Reeves would not skip out early to play golf on Friday afternoon or halfass it in Dallas.

It's Dan Freaking Reeves for God's sake. The guy has done nothing in his career to suggest he's some sort of slacker that needs to be micromanaged.

Are you freaking kidding me?

The guy has more success as a coach than our entire coaching staff combined. He's won playoff games and taken two teams to the Super Bowl. But yeah, he's some slacker that you need to micromanage to ensure he gets his work done.

Wow.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I believe that the NFL is a business, and you have to have some sort of protection when it comes to dealing with your employees, but the NFL isn't a normal business, coaching and coordinating trees in the NFL aren't that big, you probably know many of them as an owner, or have friends who know them and can vouch for them, look at how many coaches are being recycled, look no farther than our own HC for an example of that, hell, Dave Campo is back in Dallas, my point is that when it comes to NFL coaches and coordinators, you have a good idea of what you're going to get as far as work-ethic, there is probably a book written of Reeves' ethic and character in NFL circles, so yes, Jerry may have required all his coaches to sign the clause, but I think there should have been an exception in Reeves' case if he was truly against it, and Jerry wanted to make it work

and I can bet you when Jerry pursued Parcells, and if Parcells didn't want to sign a time-card clause, Jerry wouldn't have let the the talks breakdown because of it

not saying Jerry is a bad guy, but if he truly wanted Reeves in Dallas, he would be here

 

[Beast_from_East]

Took about two seconds. No doubt lots more if I decided to put in the effort.



Irrelevant. You asked for a lie and I gave you a whopper. And just as I predicted, you tried to weasel your way out of it. Typical shill behavior. I could give a rat's arse what his "motive" or "strategy" was. Lying to hide your true intentions is still a lie. Maybe one day that'll finally sink in, but I'm not hopeful.



Why should I care if he 's lying about non-football related matters? Lies about the team are the worst of all, so let's stick to that.

No offense, but I am so glad that you dont run this franchise.

Using your logic, every freaking owner and gm in the NFL is a liar. Lies about the team are the worst of all??? So you as GM (not wanting to be a liar) would say to the press, "yes we are trying to trade for Roy Williams".

If the press asked you if the team would draft Felix Jones, you would say, "yes sir, if he is there when we pick we are going to take him".


You would get fleeced by the enitre NFL, but at least you wouldnt be a liar, right???

 

[bbgun]

No offense, but I am so glad that you dont run this franchise.

Using your logic, every freaking owner and gm in the NFL is a liar. Lies about the team are the worst of all??? So you as GM (not wanting to be a liar) would say to the press, "yes we are trying to trade for Roy Williams".

If the press asked you if the team would draft Felix Jones, you would say, "yes sir, if he is there when we pick we are going to take him".


You would get fleeced by the enitre NFL, but at least you wouldnt be a liar, right???

You asked for a lie, got one, and have been furiously backpedaling ever since. I could care less if the lie was savvy, justifiable, routine practice, or worked to the Cowboys' advantage, because those are technicalities. Have fun moving those goalposts.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You asked for a lie, got one, and have been furiously backpedaling ever since. I could care less if the lie was savvy, justifiable, routine practice, or worked to the Cowboys' advantage, because those are technicalities. Have fun moving those goalposts.

we're still waiting for the other lies you assure us you can find

 

[Beast_from_East]

Where did Jerry say this? Show me. Show us all. Give us a link to the quote.

Show me that I will gladly admit I was wrong about it.

Was it in the GAC interview?

(I really hope he says yes, lol)

And I know it isn't in their contracts because it's so stupid it's not in any contract that any person in the NFL has ever signed because NO ONE PUNCHES A CLOCK, lol. So how in the hell would anyone regulate it.

The clause was stating that Reeves had to work just as many hours as Jason Garrett and Wade did on a daily basis. That much has already been figured out by anyone who can read.

It was a clause that was meant to slap Reeves in the face and let him know what was what and who was who.

Very very very very very simple.

LOL!!!

First, I think we are all aware that the "punching the clock" phrase was figurative, not to be taken literally. How do you regulate it you ask, maybe by showing up every day? Nobody at the place I work punches a clock, but I am 100% sure the boss knows who puts in 40 hrs and who doesnt.

Secondly, the clause was that as a consultant, Reeves was going to work the same number of hours as the HC and OC put in. Again, you are not telling anybody anything they didnt already know. This is not the issue we are even dicussing in this thread.

Third, I dont have quotes sitting in front of me and I am not going to go scouring the Internet search engines trying to show you a quote of what Jerry said. If you dont think he said it, thats your opinion. Likewise, I have never seen a quote from Jerry that this was some unique, first-ever contract clause in the history of the NFL that he came up with. Now if you can show me a quote like that I will admit I am wrong.

 

[Beast_from_East]

You asked for a lie, got one, and have been furiously backpedaling ever since. I could care less if the lie was savvy, justifiable, routine practice, or worked to the Cowboys' advantage, because those are technicalities. Have fun moving those goalposts.

Whatever dude, those "technicalities" are how you operate a franchise and apparently you have to be a bold face liar to run a franchise in the NFL using your logic.

If Jerry Jones not sharing our draft board or player acquistion strategy with the league makes him a liar, then I guess (using your extrene definition) he is a liar then.

I guess you as GM would babble our entire draft board to JJT if he asked you since you are not a liar, correct???