Philly Enquirer: What if Wentz had Prescott's supporting cast?

[Irvin88_4life]

Yeah, four wins as a rookie with no one considered elite at the skill positions is not doing anything?


I'm sorry, is anyone on defense catching balls? Does the defense score all of Philly's points?


You mean the balls he throws are behind the line of scrimmage?


So? When did the criterion for a good quarterback become you had to complete passes 20 yards down the field?
And you'll notice a similar criticism was applied to Dak too, i.e., that he's not accurate with the deep ball, and he takes the short throws. But so what? Those are part of the game also.
That's a silly argument.


So does Tony Romo. It's interesting to see that you're validating everything that has been said about Romo in your criticism of Wentz.


Do you understand how juvenile you sound?


Like who? Darren Sproules? You think Sproules is a playmaker on the order of Zeke Elliott?
You're just making stuff up as you go.


Wentz has receivers dropping passes too. So what, as you say.



This shows how myopic you are.
First, the Eagles started to feature Sproules as a running back THIS game. So without him in this position, the Eagles - led by Wentz - won four games. Meanwhile, Zeke has been starting ALL of the games the Cowboys have played.
Second, you just invalidated your own argument. So if Wentz was winning with Sproules carrying the load, doesn't that make his success squarely on Sproules' shoulders? And if Zeke outrushed Sproules in the fourth quarter, doesn't that mean Dak's success is on Zeke's shoulders?
Oh, and by the way, the Eagles were winning prior to the fourth quarter.

Wentz is good. You may not like it, but he is. And most GMs and coaches outside of the Cowboys coaches and GM would STILL take Wentz over Dak.

That's not a knock on Dak - except to overly sensitive Cowboys fans. I'm glad we have him. But, as I said, I don't have to alter reality because a player on a division rival is good. Maturity has a way of establishing proper perspective.

Actually Wentz defense has been catching balls for TDs or maybe you have missed his defense and special teams out scoring him last week.

Really Dak doesn't pay the same as Wentz. Dak is a 10-20 yard mid range thrower but hit some bombs against eagles last night....maybe you missed all those deep throws from Dak.

Wentz is 4-3 with defense winning 2-3 of those games. Wentz hasn't done anything so no he doesn't get any credit and he hasn't outplayed Dak.

 

[bayeslife]

Wentz fanboys that want to throw this argument out there don't realize if you're swapping offenses you need to swap defense and special teams too. Can Wentz even play catch up when he's busy throwing screens and 3 yard slants?

 

[ringmaster]

The comparisons to Weeden's passing tendencies are pretty on point (short fastballs). The difference is that Wentz doesn't look like he's about to have a panic attack every time he drops back to pass. Dak's touch on those swing routes and the go routes is something that sets him apart. His difficulties on some of the deep outs and back shoulder throws are to be expected - those are the most difficult throws to make.

The Weeden comparison to Wentz is perfect the only difference is at least with Weeden, he wasn't afraid to throw it down field more than Wentz during his rookie season with the Browns as for Dak, I also agree that he needs work on the deep outs and back shoulder throws something Romo excells at in this offense but in time Dak will have that part of his game down as well.

 

[Proximo]

Give credit to who? Wentz. He hasn't done anything to get credit. Wentz has an elite defense.....Wentz throws behind the line of scrimmage and didn't complete 1 pass over 15 yards. 10 yards and less. I'm not giving credit to that, he lost. So take your Wentz loving crap somewhere else because your aren't a Cowboys fan, you're a Wentz fan.

It's pathetic that people are falling for this crap. Wentz has playmakers on offense. Dak has recievers dropping passes so what. Sproles was out rushing Zeke until the 4th quarter. Stop it

I think it boils down to the fans who were jocking Wentz so hard pre-draft don't want to come to terms with a 4th rounder being better, so this is how they're coping.

We're at the point where all they have left are "what ifs" and cliches about arm strength. I keep hearing about how this kid can "make all the throws"....but the only throws he actually does make are the ones that are caught on or behind the line of scrimmage.

 

[aikemirv]

What if - what if the Eagles did not throw away D Jackson, J Maclin, L McCoy..

They only have themselves to blame - Kelly kicked all their talent out the door!

 

[the_h0wey]

from the Philly Enquirer:

"Prescott is certainly a nice find for the Cowboys as a fourth-round pick. But having such a strong supporting cast really helps him. One could only imagine if Wentz was in the same position. It’s not hard to imagine he’d be having even more success than Dak has had."

Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2...prescott-ezekiel-elliott/#iHbufDUGTvlTYjQ3.99

Typical Philthy...

I was extremely unimpressed with Wentz on Sunday night. Check down city. Are we sure that wasn't Weeden or Cassel in a Wentz jersey?! I think Philly has some decent weapons on offense, and he simply didn't go down the field to them. Maybe our defense just played that good, but I don't understand not attempting one throw over 20 yards. That's ludicrous

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I think it boils down to the fans who were jocking Wentz so hard pre-draft don't want to come to terms with a 4th rounder being better, so this is how they're coping.

We're at the point where all they have left are "what ifs" and cliches about arm strength. I keep hearing about how this kid can "make all the throws"....but the only throws he actually does make are the ones that are caught on or behind the line of scrimmage.

That's right. I believe you are right, the ones that are in love with wentz before the draft want to be right about it......since they called the front office out for not trading away the future.......and Dak and Zeke are much better. I'm not saying Wentz can't be a superstar but right now Dak is better and Wentz hasn't been that good, especially the cost it took to get him

 

[Jake]

from the Philly Enquirer:

"Prescott is certainly a nice find for the Cowboys as a fourth-round pick. But having such a strong supporting cast really helps him. One could only imagine if Wentz was in the same position. It’s not hard to imagine he’d be having even more success than Dak has had."

Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2...prescott-ezekiel-elliott/#iHbufDUGTvlTYjQ3.99

Typical Philthy...

The Cowboys had most of that supporting cast last season. It didn't seem to help Weeden, Cassel or Moore.

But Eagles fans need to rationalize because

 

[Proximo]

That's right. I believe you are right, the ones that are in love with wentz before the draft want to be right about it......since they called the front office out for not trading away the future.......and Dak and Zeke are much better. I'm not saying Wentz can't be a superstar but right now Dak is better and Wentz hasn't been that good, especially the cost it took to get him

Yep.

Wentz was SUPPOSED to be much better than Dak.

The Wentz faithfulls will continue to manufacture reasons to support Wentz being better, for at least the foreseeable future. It'll be awhile (maybe never) before some of these folks change their tune.

We'll keep hearing about how much "upside" Wentz has, and how he has an NFL caliber arm and can "make all the throws", along with whatever other cliches they can think of.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Yep.

Wentz was SUPPOSED to be much better than Dak.

The Wentz faithfulls will continue to manufacture reasons to support Wentz being better, for at least the foreseeable future. It'll be awhile (maybe never) before some of these folks change their tune.

We'll keep hearing about how much "upside" Wentz has, and how he has an NFL caliber arm and can "make all the throws", along with whatever other cliches they can think of.

His balls aren't a tight spiral. They are wobbly. Wentz throws high and low, his accuracy is very suspect. They keep saying he doesn't have any players to help but his running backs and recievers have covered up his terrible throws

 

[ringmaster]

Actually Wentz defense has been catching balls for TDs or maybe you have missed his defense and special teams out scoring him last week.

Really Dak doesn't pay the same as Wentz. Dak is a 10-20 yard mid range thrower but hit some bombs against eagles last night....maybe you missed all those deep throws from Dak.

Wentz is 4-3 with defense winning 2-3 of those games. Wentz hasn't done anything so no he doesn't get any credit and he hasn't outplayed Dak.

Don't even waste your time debating this know it all troll Irvin88 put him the ignore list and carry on more with your intelligent football conversations with liked minds such as yours.

 

[Proximo]

His balls aren't a tight spiral. They are wobbly. Wentz throws high and low, his accuracy is very suspect. They keep saying he doesn't have any players to help but his running backs and recievers have covered up his terrible throws

Yea, which is why I find it strange that his supporters rave about his arm, but when you watch him play, and look at the numbers, there really isn't much evidence of this "special" arm. I keep hearing about it though.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Don't even waste your time debating this know it all troll Irvin88 put him the ignore list and carry on more with your intelligent football conversations with liked minds such as yours.

Thank you sir. I'm starting to believe some of these guys are just trolls like you said.

 

[iceberg]

from the Philly Enquirer:

"Prescott is certainly a nice find for the Cowboys as a fourth-round pick. But having such a strong supporting cast really helps him. One could only imagine if Wentz was in the same position. It’s not hard to imagine he’d be having even more success than Dak has had."

Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2...prescott-ezekiel-elliott/#iHbufDUGTvlTYjQ3.99

Typical Philthy...

so they're saying "if philly were the cowboys, they'd be a much better team".

got it.

 

[FiveTime]

What if the Philly fans and media weren't completely pathetic????

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Yea, which is why I find it strange that his supporters rave about his arm, but when you watch him play, and look at the numbers, there really isn't much evidence of this "special" arm. I keep hearing about it though.

I have watched most of his games this season and have been saying it over and over. I'm so glad it was on national TV last night so the world can see this hype machine is just false

 

[Irvin88_4life]

What if the Philly fans and media weren't completely pathetic????

And the Wentz lovers posting as Cowboys fans haha

 

[MRV52]

How is wentz better than Dak when Dak has a victory over him in the senior bowl, better stats and beat him in a head to head matchup?

Throwing mechanics and better in the pocket. Wentz has no targets to throw to or receivers that can get separation. He is being limited on what he can do that's why you are seeing all these bubble screens and Dink and dunk plays. With a good receiving core he would be whipping the ball down the field with that arm of his and do some real damage. His accuracy and ball placement is better than Dak's.

 

[ringmaster]

Yep.

Wentz was SUPPOSED to be much better than Dak.

The Wentz faithfulls will continue to manufacture reasons to support Wentz being better, for at least the foreseeable future. It'll be awhile (maybe never) before some of these folks change their tune.

We'll keep hearing about how much "upside" Wentz has, and how he has an NFL caliber arm and can "make all the throws", along with whatever other cliches they can think of.

Right Proximo Dak is far better than Wentz at this stage and the ultimate dagger for the Wentz supporters is that Dak is a 4th round pick exceeding expectations that no one seen coming over a 1st round pick in Wentz who were expected to exceed those expectations and isn't.

 

[Proximo]

Throwing mechanics and better in the pocket. Wentz has no targets to throw to or receivers that can get separation. He is being limited on what he can do that's why you are seeing all these bubble screens and Dink and dunk plays. With a good receiving core he would be whipping the ball down the field with that arm of his and do some real damage. His accuracy and ball placement is better than Dak's.

LOL

So this mythical arm of Carson Wentz will finally show up on game day once he has good receivers?

This is exactly the type of funny stuff I was referring to in earlier posts- "Throwing mechanics and better in the pocket". How he "would be whipping the ball down the field" if only this or that happened.

Carson Wentz- the only QB in the NFL receiving heaps of praise for everything he could, would, or should do. LOL

I'll just take the guy that actually does make those throws and does lead game winning drives (which so far is Dak by a mile). That's just me though. To each their own.