Possible Loophole In Vick Case...

[peplaw06]

Dog fighting has also been proven to affect society.

So have violent video games. So has burning wood in your fireplace.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

This is an interesting juxtaposition of views here summer.

On the one hand, Vick was involved in illegal dogfighting... which "it's ILLEGAL!!! need I say more..." you know like you guys let on.

On the other hand, he could be smoking weed every day or hell once a week, and instead of trying to nail his balls to the wall, you're now saying, "well, he's just a casual toker."

But it's ILLEGAL!!! need I say more.

I just understand the different types of weed smokers, you have your regular users and your habitual ones

you see me condoning either one? or see me saying that we should toke anyways since God made weed?

 

[jackrussell]

So have violent video games. So has burning wood in your fireplace.

I'm not the one that's saying they don't.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

it seems that alot of people just don't see how Vick could be accepted into the program, 2 legal minds on this forum say they dont' see it

it seems you are the only one willing for him to be accepted into it for 1 instance of drug abuse instead of a history of such, that you know of, so that he can get less time

read the article from the ABA. Even if Vick was put into a low security pen which didnt have RDAP he could still tranfer to one that does. Cobra was just plain wrong.

And pep said he was guessing he has absolutely NO idea what that interview process entails. i mean maybe just maybe Vick has been a big pothead the entire time. its not like thats uncommon in the NFL.

i mean pep is making the assumption that the only form of proof that they require would be arrests and the like. Fact of the matter is I used to party like a madman in high school and in college but i never got busted. By that logic I never had a drug problem which is absurd.

 

[peplaw06]

I understand the different types of weed smokers, you have your regular users and your habitual ones

you see me condoning either one? or see me saying that we should toke anyways since God made weed?

You impliedly condone it by throwing the adjective "casual" in front of "toker."

I'd like someone to throw out there that someone is a casual dogfighter on this forum. I'm sure that would go over like a ton of bricks.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

read the article from the ABA. Even if Vick was put into a low security pen which didnt have RDAP he could still tranfer to one that does. Cobra was just plain wrong.

And pep said he was guessing he has absolutely NO idea what that interview process entails. i mean maybe just maybe Vick has been a big pothead the entire time. its not like thats uncommon in the NFL.

i mean pep is making the assumption that the only form of proof that they require would be arrests and the like. Fact of the matter is I used to party like a madman in high school and in college but i never got busted. By that logic I never had a drug problem which is absurd.

in the end, you don't have much

there has to be a proven history of drug use for him to be accepted, so again, you're the only one willing here

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I just understand the different types of weed smokers, you have your regular users and your habitual ones

you see me condoning either one? or see me saying that we should toke anyways since God made weed?

i have never seen anyone jones for weed. have you ever seen a heroin addict in action?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You impliedly condone it by throwing the adjective "casual" in front of "toker."

no, just pointing out that being busted for smoking pot once, doesn't neccesarily mean that you're a regular user

I'd like someone to throw out there that someone is a casual dogfighter on this forum. I'm sure that would go over like a ton of bricks.

again, just pointing out a different type of weed smoker

 

[peplaw06]

I'm not the one that's saying they don't.

I realize that. But if everything that had a negative effect on society was outlawed, just about everyone would be a criminal. We probably wouldn't even be able to drive in our cars.

 

[Beast_from_East]

dogs are property. you own dogs and as such they are youre property. now think about it a bit more. im sure im going to get some dog lover spouting about his dogs are 'family' but when it comes down to it dogs are property.

and again i dont think dog fighting should be illegal. i dont like it nor do i condone it but i am a big fan of government not being in my or anyone elses house telling me what i can or cannot do with my possessions.

What is wrong with you buddy, are you messed up in the head???

Let me break this down for you. In a democracy, laws are created to govern what is considered acceptable conduct and what is not. The laws are made by Congress, who are made up of representatives from every state. These representatives are elected by the residents of those states.

So when the majority of people feel strongly about something (murder, rape,ect...), they elect people with their same views. Those elected officials them propose laws to address the concerns of their district. Laws are then passed, agreed upon by both the House and the Senate and signed into law by the President.

THE LAWS REPRESENT SOCIETY'S MORAL VIEWPOINT AND YOU DO NOT HAVE THE OPTION TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH ONES YOU LIKE AND DONT LIKE AND ACT ACCORDINGLY.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

in the end, you don't have much

there has to be a proven history of drug use for him to be accepted, so again, you're the only one willing here

im not willing anything. really what i want to see is if he indeed is/was a big pothead that he get the same chance everyone else gets.

but whats funny here is the presumption on the Vick lynch mob in what it will take to prove anything in this interview. we really dont know but making absolute statements is laughable.

 

[03EBZ06]

and i would pretty much bet that Vick has been getting high for quite some time. Sure hes only has been busted once but that doesnt mean squat. i would be willing to bet Vick is one serious dopehead.

For some one who treasures human rights, you sure are a very judgemental person.

Fact: He killed dogs
Fact: He is guilty of illegal gambling
Fact: He is guilty of conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce.

However, we don't know if he is a serious dopehead, as you put it. You are making an accusation without any supporting evidence. Just seems very hypocritcal based your past posts of wait for evidence before we find him guilty of anything stances.

 

[jackrussell]

I realize that. But if everything that had a negative effect on society was outlawed, just about everyone would be a criminal. We probably wouldn't even be able to drive in our cars.

I think you best go back a few posts when Lumpy said I can't burn my house down because of it's direct effect on society, that's who brought this society effect line up. His contention is dog fighting DOESN'T, ergo my correction.

 

[peplaw06]

read the article from the ABA. Even if Vick was put into a low security pen which didnt have RDAP he could still tranfer to one that does. Cobra was just plain wrong.

And pep said he was guessing he has absolutely NO idea what that interview process entails. i mean maybe just maybe Vick has been a big pothead the entire time. its not like thats uncommon in the NFL.

i mean pep is making the assumption that the only form of proof that they require would be arrests and the like. Fact of the matter is I used to party like a madman in high school and in college but i never got busted. By that logic I never had a drug problem which is absurd.

Fact is that no one on this forum, unless there is someone who works in the federal prison system or on the BOP, knows what the process entails. It could be one way or it could be another.

For anyone to say with certainty one way or the other from excerpts of articles is just unreasonable.

I don't think you've done that Fuzzy. Everyone who wants to put you down as a Vick apologist is just as fervent in the opposite direction, believing that there is NO WAY Vick can qualify for this program. No one knows.

It's an interesting conversation though.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What is wrong with you buddy, are you messed up in the head???

Let me break this down for you. In a democracy, laws are created to govern what is considered acceptable conduct and what is not. The laws are made by Congress, who are made up of representatives from every state. These representatives are elected by the residents of those states.

So when the majority of people feel strongly about something (murder, rape,ect...), they elect people with their same views. Those elected officials them propose laws to address the concerns of their district. Laws are then passed, agreed upon by both the House and the Senate and signed into law by the President.

THE LAWS REPRESENT SOCIETY'S MORAL VIEWPOINT AND YOU DO NOT HAVE THE OPTION TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH ONES YOU LIKE AND DONT LIKE AND ACT ACCORDINGLY.

First of all if i actually thought that the fed was representative i would agree with you to a large extent. its not so your entire premise becomes moot.

i am fully aware of how democracy works. OTOH you seem to misunderstand what free speech involves. I am not advocating people going out and breaking the law. i am advocating that the law be changed. i dont feel the law is right and i see it as yet another erosion of civil liberties that has been pretty consistent for the past decade.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fact is that no one on this forum, unless there is someone who works in the federal prison system or on the BOP, knows what the process entails. It could be one way or it could be another.

For anyone to say with certainty one way or the other from excerpts of articles is just unreasonable.

I don't think you've done that Fuzzy. Everyone who wants to put you down as a Vick apologist is just as fervent in the opposite direction, believing that there is NO WAY Vick can qualify for this program. No one knows.

It's an interesting conversation though.

i appreciate your levity.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

im not willing anything. really what i want to see is if he indeed is/was a big pothead that he get the same chance everyone else gets.

but whats funny here is the presumption on the Vick lynch mob in what it will take to prove anything in this interview. we really dont know but making absolute statements is laughable.

all we're saying is that, right now, from what we know, Vick doesn't have a history of drug use

you on the otherhand think he does, because of one, failed drug test

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dog fighting has also been proven to affect society.

Sorry.

Is Vick due his first conjugal visit yet? I think we have some anxious volunteers.

where? as i have said i have seen no scientific study. the last time you made this baseless claim it wasnt true then either.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

all we're saying that right now, from what we know, Vick doesn't have a history of drug use

we know he failed his piss test. so we know that hes smoked weed at least once within the 30 days prior to taking that test.

 

[jackrussell]

where? as i have said i have seen no scientific study. the last time you made this baseless claim it wasnt true then either.

It's not baseless and awhile back I presented the law enforcement studies that said so. In fact, you even said if someone could show it, you'd look at it differently.

But you bailed.

What a surprise.