Possible Loophole In Vick Case...

[Bob Sacamano]

we know he failed his piss test. so we know that hes smoked weed at least once within the 30 days prior to taking that test.

there are 365 days in a year

just say other than 1 example, which isn't a history, that you have no idea if Vick has a history of drug use, and end this thing

 

[Beast_from_East]

Dogs are property. This law tells someone what they can or cannot do with their property. Thats the removal of civil liberty. i think youre confusing civil liberty with civil liberties you think people should have.

So anything that is considered "propery" should have no rights at all.

This is the removal of civil liberty and you even mentioned Jefferson in this thread.

YOU DO REALIZE THAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE ALL SLAVE OWNERS, RIGHT.

 

[Taz]

I think it is unfair that enron crooks can do white collar crimes stela billions and runing thousands of peopels lives and nothing happens and soemone sees a dog fighting gets put in prison for life.

unfair treatment. Seriously my cousin had a dog that attacked another dog should she be in jail. She didn't hurt anyone either did vick. but these evil criminals that ruined thousands of life can retire in a foriegn paradise

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

For some one who treasures human rights, you sure are a very judgemental person.

Fact: He killed dogs
Fact: He is guilty of illegal gambling
Fact: He is guilty of conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce.

However, we don't know if he is a serious dopehead, as you put it. You are making an accusation without any supporting evidence. Just seems very hypocritcal based your past posts of wait for evidence before we find him guilty of anything stances.

what accusation have i made? and really im making judgements based on personal interactions with people. thats called direct personal knowledge. most of you have never and will never know Vick. there is a difference.

and those arent facts he was only convicted of one charge.

 

[jackrussell]

I think it is unfair that enron crooks can do white collar crimes stela billions and runing thousands of peopels lives and nothing happens and soemone sees a dog fighting gets put in prison for life.

unfair treatment. Seriously my cousin had a dog that attacked another dog should she be in jail. She didn't hurt anyone either did vick. but these evil criminals that ruined thousands of life can retire in a foriegn paradise

Who was put in prison for life?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So anything that is considered "propery" should have no rights at all.

This is the removal of civil liberty and you even mentioned Jefferson in this thread.

YOU DO REALIZE THAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE ALL SLAVE OWNERS, RIGHT.

do caps make you feel better?

im well aware that they were slave owners and slavery was wrong as people shouldnt be property. are you trying to say dogs shouldnt be property?

im not getting your point.

 

[D-TownRadio]

Vick isn't incarcerated because of substance problem so I don't see how RDATP can reduced his sentence.

It does not matter. If he claims he was in a bad place at the time doing frugs and hanging with stupid people and then shows that he is trying to do the right thing he could get a year or even more if he also helps out with things like cleaning and stuff.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

there are 365 days in a year

just say other than 1 example, which isn't a history, that you have no idea if Vick has a history of drug use, and end this thing

i never claimed to but seeing his history and everything else its not all that hard to believe. I mean admit it. if it wasnt for the fact that being a head might actually help Vick you would agree with that wholeheartedly.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

do caps make you feel better?

im well aware that they were slave owners and slavery was wrong as people shouldnt be property. are you trying to say dogs shouldnt be property?

im not getting your point.

probably that some things are just wrong, and it took America a long time to figure out that slavery was wrong, even though at the time, slaves were considered property

just because it's your property doesn't mean you have to be sadistic w/ it

and who knows, maybe sometime down the road, they'll make calf-roping illegal

 

[Bob Sacamano]

i never claimed to but seeing his history and everything else its not all that hard to believe. I mean admit it. if it wasnt for the fact that being a head might actually help Vick you would agree with that wholeheartedly.

the thing is, for all we know, Vick could be just a casual smoker, a social smoker, who knows? but to say that he can only be a habitual drug user is preposterous

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's not baseless and awhile back I presented the law enforcement studies that said so. In fact, you even said if someone could show it, you'd look at it differently.

But you bailed.

What a surprise.

well i dont remember that and you should know by now that im not afraid to admit when im wrong.

perhaps you can show them again because quite frankly unless they were studies in an environment where dog fighting is illegal then it doesnt posit much.

thats like saying that because Prohibition caused an increase in organized crime that beer inherently casues organized crime.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

the thing is, for all we know, Vick could be just a casual smoker, a social smoker, who knows? but to say that he can only be a habitual drug user is preposterous

i never said that was the only option. maybe you should take the time and read the thread before jumping to conclusions.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

well i dont remember that and you should know by now that im not afraid to admit when im wrong.

perhaps you can show them again because quite frankly unless they were studies in an environment where dog fighting is illegal then it doesnt posit much.

thats like saying that because Prohibition caused an increase in organized crime that beer inherently casues organized crime.

I don't think it inherently causes crime, but it contributes to alot of it, assault, drunk driving, which can lead to maiming, or killing other drivers

 

[Bob Sacamano]

i never said that was the only option. maybe you should take the time and read the thread before jumping to conclusions.

ok, so we agree that Vick's case for getting into this program and out of prison faster, doesn't look very strong right now? that's all I want to know

 

[03EBZ06]

what accusation have i made? and really im making judgements based on personal interactions with people. thats called direct personal knowledge. most of you have never and will never know Vick. there is a difference.

and those arent facts he was only convicted of one charge.

So you know Vick enough to call him a "dopehead"? Did you smoke with Vick often enough to charge him of being a "dopehead"?

Your personal interaction with others have nothing to do with Vick so stop acting like you have some sort of insight on Vick.

Yes, those are facts, he did in fact killed dogs, you want to lump the his guilty into one, fine but he is guilty of illegal gambling and conspiracy charge.

 

[jackrussell]

Well, off to bed....carry on.

Lumpy, I'm sure you've got some kittens to drown or canarys to torture, so I'll slide you back to ignore and get myself some sleep.

I feel comfortable to sleep with both eyes closed...bet Vick can't.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't think it inherently causes crime, but it contributes to alot of it, assault, drunk driving, which can lead to maiming, or killing other drivers

yes because alcohol degrades human motor skills thus making people dangerous.

this is bascially a claim that if you dogfight your more likely to break other laws. it only shows a correlation and not causation. i would posit that its making it illegal in the first place that makes it tend towards crime.

we bet on all kinds of stuff including violent contests like boxing or even football. that certainly doesnt tend to crime.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Well, off to bed....carry on.

Lumpy, I'm sure you've got some kittens to drown or canarys to torture, so I'll slide you back to ignore and get myself some sleep.

I feel comfortable to sleep with both eyes closed...bet Vick can't.

I'm definitely going to buy some stock in Soap-on-a-Roap now

 

[Bob Sacamano]

contests like boxing or even football. that certainly doesnt tend to crime.

those are legal gambling ventures, so you're not as likely to encounter as many seedy individuals

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So you know Vick enough to call him a "dopehead"? Did you smoke with Vick often enough to charge him of being a "dopehead"?

Your personal interaction with others have nothing to do with Vick so stop acting like you have some sort of insight on Vick.

Yes, those are facts, he did in fact killed dogs, you want to lump the his guilty into one, fine but he is guilty of illegal gambling and conspiracy charge.

i said id BET he was a dopehead. theres a difference. really trying to explain things to you gets old.

and he was only sentenced on one charge. there is no and.