Possible Loophole In Vick Case...

[Bob Sacamano]

thats becasue fire is a hazard to the entire community and threatens OTHER'S person and property.

Dog fighting is only bad for the dog.

But actually i think you can burn your house down under certain circumstances. I know controlled burning is not illeagl in Texas.
And your dog IS property.

getting a whole bunch of criminals in one room together is good for society though

alot carry weapons into these settings I should add

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

um, this is federal, not state, Pointdexter has nothing to do w/ this

he has a pending state charge as well. what happens in state court goes a long way towards determining when he can attempt a comeback.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

getting a whole bunch of criminals in one room together is good for society though

alot carry weapons into these settings I should add

there only criminals because the activity they are involved in is illegal. if they legalize dogfighting then this is no longer an issue.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Im not defending Vick as much as im attacking peoples punitive nature. The sanctimonious crap I hear all the time sickens me. Well that and quite frankly i dont think dogfighting should be illegal with all the other animal cruelty we let go.

I cold care less if Vick wants to get baked and fight dogs all day long. To each his own and his property and his life he can do with what he wants.

There is something called laws, just because an animal is your property you cant do whatever you want to it. Let me be very frank here.

JUST BECAUSE YOU OWN A DOG, IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO SLAM HIS HEAD INTO THE GROUND UNTIL HIS SKULL CRACKS OPEN. SO IT IS NOT "TO EACH HIS OWN" AND HE CAN "LIVE HIS LIFE DOING WHAT HE WANTS"

If you dont like the laws, then contact your congressman and change them. In the meantime, what Vick did "IS CRUEL AND INHUMANE" (judges words).

You just lost all cred

 

[peplaw06]

Inasmuch as any sentence reduction is not mandatory, but rather discretionary, a PETA protest might have some impact on the decision... it might cause no reduction at all, or a less reduction (remember, it said UP TO a year)...

Now, you're sitting on the committee that decides whether to release Vick early, and if so, how early... and you've got a bunch of PETA protestors kicking up a stink, guaranteeing intense public scrutiny of your decision... your NAME might well be known to them...

How you gonna decide in that situation??

Those Ex-prison wardens aren't gonna have any namby pamby tree huggers telling them how to run their prison system. They won't care what PETA says. PETA involvement doesn't equal intense public scrutiny.

The prison system, especially the federal system, isn't going to be easily susceptible to intimidation.

 

[silverbear]

he has a documented failed drug test. he is eligible for the program. keep on willing it though.

LOL... didn't that piece you cited say he had to prove he had a substance abuse problem for at least a year?? Do you think all he has to do is stand up and say "oh yeah, I've been catching a buzz for well over a year", and they're just gonna take his word for it??

So, how exactly does Vick prove to the state that he's had a substance abuse problem for over a year, when there is no documentation in the legal system of such a problem??

You're so desperate to see Vick skate, it would be comical-- if it wasn't so completely DISGUSTING...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

he has a pending state charge as well. what happens in state court goes a long way towards determining when he can attempt a comeback.

true, but I doubt his lawyers will have much sway in his comeback bid

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Inasmuch as any sentence reduction is not mandatory, but rather discretionary, a PETA protest might have some impact on the decision... it might cause no reduction at all, or a less reduction (remember, it said UP TO a year)...

Now, you're sitting on the committee that decides whether to release Vick early, and if so, how early... and you've got a bunch of PETA protestors kicking up a stink, guaranteeing intense public scrutiny of your decision... your NAME might well be known to them...

How you gonna decide in that situation??

Ahh King Willer himself. How you doing bear?

It also might cause them to reduce his sentence even more. FWIW the average reduction is 8.5 months.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

there only criminals because the activity they are involved in is illegal. if they legalize dogfighting then this is no longer an issue.

uh, illegal gambling ring a bell?

I don't even want to begin to think how high up in the criminal world some of these matches go

 

[silverbear]

I realize that was tongue in cheek but its the fire and pitchfork mentality of people that has me more concerned than anything that Vick did.

Big deal, you clearly have NO problem with what Vick did... you have been consistently, comically WRONG right down the line when it comes to Vick, now you're clinging to this latest bit of "hope" that your boy will skate...

And of course, if he DOES get out in less than a year (how long does it take to complete that program??), he's gonna laugh at his "punishment", and probably go right back to his disgusting little hobby...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

fuzzy, what exactly are the people against Vick willing? he's slated to be in the can for close to 2 years

 

[silverbear]

Doesn't he have prior drug related offenses/ arrests?

Not that I know of, pep... the only evidence we've seen of drug use is a picture on some website where he's supposedly holding a blunt... his defenders say he's just holding a cigar...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL... didn't that piece you cited say he had to prove he had a substance abuse problem for at least a year?? Do you think all he has to do is stand up and say "oh yeah, I've been catching a buzz for well over a year", and they're just gonna take his word for it??

So, how exactly does Vick prove to the state that he's had a substance abuse problem for over a year, when there is no documentation in the legal system of such a problem??

You're so desperate to see Vick skate, it would be comical-- if it wasn't so completely DISGUSTING...

/yawn.

I dont care if Vick skates in the long run. He seems like a scumbag in general but really what im hoping is that you and your ilks punitive natures are not satisified.

and i would pretty much bet that Vick has been getting high for quite some time. Sure hes only has been busted once but that doesnt mean squat. i would be willing to bet Vick is one serious dopehead.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

fuzzy, what exactly are the people against Vick willing? he's slated to be in the can for close to 2 years

that hes not going to be eligible for this program and that he generally be burned at the stake. The one guy that said he hoped he was made into somones girlfriend in jail was really cute.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

i would be willing to bet Vick is one serious dopehead.

or just a casual toker

 

[jackrussell]

Dog fighting has also been proven to affect society.

Sorry.

Is Vick due his first conjugal visit yet? I think we have some anxious volunteers.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

that hes not going to be eligible for this program and that he generally be burned at the stake. The one guy that said he hoped he was made into somones girlfriend in jail was really cute.

it seems that alot of people just don't see how Vick could be accepted into the program, 2 legal minds on this forum say they dont' see it

it seems you are the only one willing for him to be accepted into it for 1 instance of drug abuse instead of a history of such, that you know of, so that he can get less time

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Big deal, you clearly have NO problem with what Vick did... you have been consistently, comically WRONG right down the line when it comes to Vick, now you're clinging to this latest bit of "hope" that your boy will skate...

And of course, if he DOES get out in less than a year (how long does it take to complete that program??), he's gonna laugh at his "punishment", and probably go right back to his disgusting little hobby...

its not that i like vick its that I DONT like people like you.

you still havent figured that out. plus i was never wrong about Vick i simply stated that it was prudent to presume innocence and let the justice system do its work. thats what i call being responsible.

You OTOH are more than happy to presume guilt and go looking for a rope.

 

[peplaw06]

or just a casual toker

This is an interesting juxtaposition of views here summer.

On the one hand, Vick was involved in illegal dogfighting... which "it's ILLEGAL!!! need I say more..." you know like you guys let on.

On the other hand, he could be smoking weed every day or hell once a week, and instead of trying to nail his balls to the wall, you're now saying, "well, he's just a casual toker."

But it's ILLEGAL!!! need I say more.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

its not that i like vick its that I DONT like people like you.

you still havent figured that out. plus i was never wrong about Vick i simply stated that it was prudent to presume innocence and let the justice system do its work. thats what i call being responsible.

You OTOH are more than happy to presume guilt and go looking for a rope.

the justice system did do it's work, and there is no presumption of innocence since both he and PacMan have been found guilty

so in the end, you were wrong