Possible Loophole In Vick Case...

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Bob Sacamano;1829972 said:
those are legal gambling ventures, so you're not as likely to encounter as many seedy individuals

exactly so thats why i say by making it illegal that causes it to tend towards other types of crime. if you were to outlaw bananas then the banana trade would tend towards crime too. its selffulfilling.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1829973 said:
i said id BET he was a dopehead. theres a difference. really trying to explain things to you gets old.

and he was only sentenced on one charge. there is no and.

Vick's chances of getting into the program, and getting some time reduced? good? or not?
 

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jackrussell;1829965 said:
Well, off to bed....carry on.

Lumpy, I'm sure you've got some kittens to drown or canarys to torture, so I'll slide you back to ignore and get myself some sleep.

I feel comfortable to sleep with both eyes closed...bet Vick can't.:lmao2:

when people resort to name calling in an argument that shows they dont have a leg to stand on.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1829975 said:
exactly so thats why i say by making it illegal that causes it to tend towards other types of crime. if you were to outlaw bananas then the banana trade would tend towards crime too. its selffulfilling.

dog-fighting has never been a legal, sanctioned betting event, even when it wasn't illegal
 

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Bob Sacamano;1829958 said:
I don't think it inherently causes crime, but it contributes to alot of it, assault, drunk driving, which can lead to maiming, or killing other drivers
That's not organized crime... not in the general meaning of that term.
 

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Bob Sacamano;1829976 said:
Vick's chances of getting into the program, and getting some time reduced? good? or not?

i have no idea. i know that the program has a backlog and i really dont know enough about Vick or his interviewer to say one way or another.
 

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Bob Sacamano;1829979 said:
dog-fighting has never been a legal, sanctioned betting event, even when it wasn't illegal

dog fighting has been around for centuries. quite frankly it wasnt even illegal until the 80s. this comment is truly preposterous. where do you think the fighting breeds came from?
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1829985 said:
dog fighting has been around for centuries. quite frankly it wasnt even illegal until the 80s. this comment is truly preposterous. where do you think the fighting breeds came from?

read again, dog-fighting has never been a legally, sanctioned, betting event

it never was like betting on football or pugilists

btw, what self-respecing, influential person would attend a dog-fighting event anyways? it's a dirty, awful event that brings, and brings out, the dirty and awful people
 

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Bob Sacamano;1829988 said:
dog-fighting has never been a legally, sanctioned, betting event

it never was like betting on football or pugilists

again it has been around for centuries and centuries. there were very much so sanctioned dog fighting in the south. ive seen newspaper clippings about them.

generally when they are being discussed and advertised in the newspaper then i consider that sanctioned.

a lot of these types of laws werent around in the 19th century.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1829990 said:
again it has been around for centuries and centuries. there were very much so sanctioned dog fighting in the south. ive seen newspaper clippings about them.

generally when they are being discussed and advertised in the newspaper then i consider that sanctioned.

please produce them

it's been an underground event since forever
 

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Bob Sacamano;1829995 said:
please produce them

it's been an underground event since forever

youre the one making the claim that they never were sanctioned. how about you back that one up first.
 

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for feces and giggles.

With the importation of the Staffordshire Bull Terrier into the United States at around 1817, dog fighting quickly became a popular pastime in this country.

During the 1860s, the ‘sport’ was made illegal in most states in the U.S. However, the new state laws did little to stop the ‘sport.’ With the support of much of the populace and some local and police officials, the activity continued to flourish in the late 19th and early 20th Century: books devoted to the ‘sport’ were published, breeders specialized in developing fighting dogs (Colby, Komosinsky, etc.), world championship fights with large purses were held, and such groups as the United Kennel Club provided rules, approved referees, and an organizational framework for the ‘sport.’

The 1930s and ‘40s saw a decline of the ‘sport,’ with such groups as the United Kennel Club disassociating themselves from the activity. The last decade (‘60s and ‘70s) however has seen a major growth in the ‘sport’: two new publications have been established to further dog fighting (Sporting Dog Journal, 1967; Pit Dog Report, 1970), a breeding registry dedicated to fighting dogs has been revitalized, and the number of actively involved individuals in the ‘sport’ has expanded from 2,500 in 1962 to 5,000 in 1974.

never sanctioned huh?
 

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nevermind, I looked it up, they stopped being sanctioned in the beginning of the 20th century

edit: thanks to your article, most states outlawed it in the 1860's

so it hasn't been sanctioned in the US for over 100 years

bottomline: dog-fighting is illegal and it's a criminal enterprise, and probably will continue to be so
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1829871 said:
there only criminals because the activity they are involved in is illegal. if they legalize dogfighting then this is no longer an issue.

so your for this? you see nothing wrong with what he did? you see nothing dispicable about the way they treated and excuted these dogs? you see nothing wrong with feeding mild mannered, gentle dogs like golden retrievers to trained killing machines?

please tell us this is not the sick argument you are trying to make

David
 

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Bob Sacamano;1830000 said:
nevermind, I looked it up, they stopped being sanctioned in the beginning of the 20th century

edit: thanks to your article, most states outlawed it in the 1860's

so it hasn't been sanctioned in the US for over 100 years

not the southern ones though. georgia and virginia didnt ban them until the 80s.

and what does them not being sanctioned posit anyway? im arguing the point but it seems to posit nothing.
 

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dbair1967;1830005 said:
so your for this? you see nothing wrong with what he did? you see nothing dispicable about the way they treated and excuted these dogs? you see nothing wrong with feeding mild mannered, gentle dogs like golden retrievers to trained killing machines?

please tell us this is not the sick argument you are trying to make

David

dude goes off on so many tangents that noone knows what the hell he's exactly arguing at any point and time
 

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dbair1967;1830005 said:
so your for this? you see nothing wrong with what he did? you see nothing dispicable about the way they treated and excuted these dogs? you see nothing wrong with feeding mild mannered, gentle dogs like golden retrievers to trained killing machines?

please tell us this is not the sick argument you are trying to make

David

im not against it. there is a difference.

we kill cows for breeding purposes but when you do it to a dog its execution.

THEYRE DOGS NOT PEOPLE.

Also stealing other peoples dogs is theft so of course im against that. if they want to buy dogs and feed them to tother dogs i could care less.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1830007 said:
not the southern ones though. georgia and virginia didnt ban them until the 80s.

and what does them not being sanctioned posit anyway? im arguing the point but it seems to posit nothing.

you say that outlawing the sport would reduce the criminal element, I say the criminal element has been in it for awhile before the sport actually became a federal crime
 

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Bob Sacamano;1830012 said:
dude goes off on so many tangents that noone knows what the hell he's exactly arguing at any point and time

thats only you having a problem keeping up.
 
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