Possible Loophole In Vick Case...

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FuzzyLumpkins;1829561 said:
As if citing other socieites ills proves that we dont have any. Thats like saying that we outlaw rape so anything else goes. its dumb quite frankly.

I also said over the last decade. Its actually quite sad that the baby boomers have squandered all that they won in the sixties and now are in the power structure. its quite literally the fall of a generation.


Well, it could be worse, fuzzy! If it were up to you, we can kill our dogs if we want and gamble on them fighting other dogs...along with who knows what the hell else you think your "civil liberties" are being taken away!

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5Stars;1829572 said:
Well, it could be worse, fuzzy! If it were up to you, we can kill our dogs if we want and gamble on them fighting other dogs...along with who knows what the hell else you think your "civil liberties" are being taken away!

:lmao2:

If it were up to me what you did in your home that doesnt harm another human being with your own property is your own business.

Like i said dgofighting is not nice and I would never participate in it condone it personally but quite frankly when it comes down to a man;s freedom to do with his possessions as he wills and a dog or any others life or wellbeing, the animal loses.

Its human civilization and when they start issuing citizenship to dogs Ill start caring.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1829564 said:
youre the one talking about in versus part of and all that nonsense. Again you make an argument get it slammed right back in your face and now youre trying to use it against me.

but hey you keep parroting that tripe about TV shows and maybe eventually itll make sense in which the context you use it.


The initial question, fuzzy, was "Is Antiono Bryant IN the NFL?"

You argued all day long that "yes" he is in the NFL!

NOW...all of a sudden, since Bryant is not on an NFL roster, he is now a PART of the NFL!

Be a big boy and man up, fuzzy...because you know our initial arguement was not was Bryant a PART of the NFL...because I'm not that stupid to know that he is a PART of the NFL, but at this moment he is not IN the NFL!

Now, be a big boy and say you are wrong, and we will move on....


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I hope someone makes him their in prison.

Then he can be made to fight another inmate to the death for the other inmates pleasure. If it doesn't look like he is fighting hard enough then apparently his options should be hanging/drowning/electricution.

Tosser
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1829550 said:
Dogs are property. This law tells someone what they can or cannot do with their property. Thats the removal of civil liberty. i think youre confusing civil liberty with civil liberties you think people should have.

Call it what you will I think torturing animals is wrong and thankfully there are many in this country who feel the same and laws have been enacted to protect a living creature from tortur and abuse. This not a car or a building it is a living creature.
 

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5Stars;1829577 said:
The initial question, fuzzy, was "Is Antiono Bryant IN the NFL?"

You argued all day long that "yes" he is in the NFL!

NOW...all of a sudden, since Bryant is not on an NFL roster, he is now a PART of the NFL!

Be a big boy and man up, fuzzy...because you know our initial arguement was not was Bryant a PART of the NFL...because I'm not that stupid to know that he is a PART of the NFL, but at this moment he is not IN the NFL!

Now, be a big boy and say you are wrong, and we will move on....


:bow: :bow:

Like I said you can argue the semantics of the word i'n' all day long. He is considered an NFL player by the CBA; your word games are cute and all but as i said it bores me.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1829576 said:
If it were up to me what you did in your home that doesnt harm another human being with your own property is your own business.

Like i said dgofighting is not nice and I would never participate in it condone it personally but quite frankly when it comes down to a man;s freedom to do with his possessions as he wills and a dog or any others life or wellbeing, the animal loses.

Its human civilization and when they start issuing citizenship to dogs Ill start caring.


Well, my advice to you is that you better start "caring" about what the laws of this land say that you can or cannot do....otherwise, you are no better than your hero Ookie...

Bye, fuzzy...and good luck, see you in court!


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Doomsday101;1829580 said:
Call it what you will I think torturing animals is wrong and thankfully there are many in this country who feel the same and laws have been enacted to protect a living creature from tortur and abuse. This not a car or a building it is a living creature.

so is that baby cow you are entertained by having it scared witless, chased down and tied up.

its not a human so its fair game. quite frankly with all the overpopulation and resource scarcity according animals rights doesnt make sense from a pure utilitarian viewpoint.

I still find it high irony that they were going to put Vick dogs down until that dude came by and took them in. Its okay if WE kill them but not if Vick does it.
 

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TX_Yid;1829578 said:
I hope someone makes him their b1tch in prison.

Then he can be made to fight another inmate to the death for the other inmates pleasure. If it doesn't look like he is fighting hard enough then apparently his options should be hanging/drowning/electricution.

Tosser

OMG, this is just cruel........lol:lmao2:
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1829576 said:
If it were up to me what you did in your home that doesnt harm another human being with your own property is your own business.

Like i said dgofighting is not nice and I would never participate in it condone it personally but quite frankly when it comes down to a man;s freedom to do with his possessions as he wills and a dog or any others life or wellbeing, the animal loses.

Its human civilization and when they start issuing citizenship to dogs Ill start caring.


What you're really getting here is you want bestiality legalized, don't ya fuzz.:D :p:
 

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TX_Yid;1829578 said:
I hope someone makes him their b1tch in prison.

Then he can be made to fight another inmate to the death for the other inmates pleasure. If it doesn't look like he is fighting hard enough then apparently his options should be hanging/drowning/electricution.

Tosser


I'd buy that PPV:eek:
 

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5Stars;1829583 said:
Well, my advice to you is that you better start "caring" about what the laws of this land say that you can or cannot do....otherwise, you are no better than your hero Ookie...

Bye, fuzzy...and good luck, see you in court!


:D :bow:

oh so now youre calling me a criminal. thats cute.

while we do live in a land where laws are created routinely with it mind that they want them to be broken like traffic and drug laws, it is one thing to speak out about a law and another to actually break it.

As i said before i dont like dogfighting but theya re property and as such I think civil liberties are more important.
 

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To the original poster: you fraternity brother is grossly misinformed. That is not true in this federal pen for this sentence.

FuzzyLumpkins;1829153 said:
the sentences run concurrently.

Can. Or they can run consecutively. It's whatever the judge decides.
 

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cobra;1829611 said:
To the original poster: you fraternity brother is grossly misinformed. That is not true in this federal pen for this sentence.



Can. Or they can run consecutively. It's whatever the judge decides.

Cobra I know that you are a lawyer, but we will just have to wait and see what happens.......
 

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cobra;1829611 said:
To the original poster: you fraternity brother is grossly misinformed. That is not true in this federal pen for this sentence.



Can. Or they can run consecutively. It's whatever the judge decides.

Umm its available to anyone in the federal prison system except for high security facilites and violent crimes. He was brough up on trafficing.

From the ABA website.

Federal Sentencing

Getting Out Early: BOP Drug Program

By Alan Ellis and J. Michael Henderson

Alan Ellis, of the Law Offices of Alan Ellis in San Rafael, California, and Ardmore, Pennsylvania, is a nationally recognized authority in the fields of plea negotiations, sentencing, appeals, parole and prison matters, habeas corpus 2241 and 2255 petitions, and international prisoner transfer treaties. He is the publisher of Federal Presentence and Post Conviction News, and coauthor of the Federal Prison Guidebook, The Federal Sentencing Guidebook and the Federal Post Conviction Guidebook. He is also a contributing editor to Criminal Justice magazine. J. Michael Henderson is a federal prison consultant to the Law Offices of Alan Ellis with more than 23 years of experience working with the Bureau of Prisons where he served as the former regional designator for the Western Region of the United States.

The Federal Bureau of Prisons provides a very specialized program that can benefit offenders with substance abuse problems, which include not only alcohol and illicit drugs addictions, but also abuse of pharmaceutical medications. As an incentive, the program offers qualified offenders time off their sentences in addition to good conduct time. This program is known as the 500-hour Comprehensive Residential Drug Abuse Program (RDAP). Indeed, RDAP is the only mechanism by which federal inmates can now potentially receive a reduction in their sentences beyond earning good conduct time credit.
There is a broad category of offenders who are eligible for this program. Some of them will be eligible for early release benefit of up to 12 months (the BOP average is 8.5 months) and an extended halfway house and home confinement placement (usually six months) at the end of their sentence. (18 U.S.C. § 3621(e).)
Eligibility for RDAP is determined by institutional case management, the RDAP coordinator, and psychology services staff. First, they look for verification of an inmate’s substance abuse problem through a check of available official documents, which almost always includes the presentence investigation report.
Next, the offender must meet formal psychological diagnostic criteria. Again, Bureau of Prisons staff will look at official background documentation, such as the presentence report, for information that supports the diagnosis. The offender must not have a serious mental disorder that would interfere with the ability to successfully participate in RDAP. The program is voluntary and the eligible offender must sign a formal participation agreement.
Once placed in BOP custody and within 36 months of release, a prisoner can request an eligibility interview. The submission of the request initiates the RDAP application, and, within a short period, the inmate should receive notice of an interview with either the institution’s RDAP coordinator or a drug treatment specialist, or, if the facility does not offer RDAP, a member of the psychological services staff. Ideally, the eligibility interview should be scheduled within sufficient time for persons to be in RDAP within 27 months or more from projected release (sentence length less any pretrial or anticipated good time credits).

The interview itself can be a source of extreme stress. Given the § 3621(e) incentive, as well as a general suspicion of prisoners, interviewers approach each applicant with an abundance of cynicism. An applicant can safely assume that no matter what appears in the presentence report, the interviewer will pose difficult questions and insist on knowing whether voluntary admission is sought in good faith to obtain treatment, or simply to secure a quicker return home. Customary inquiries include when applicants learned about the program, particularly about the § 3621(c) credit; whether attorneys advised them to exaggerate treatment needs when meeting with Probation; and exacting details about drug or alcohol use (e.g., when, how often, where, with whom, others’ awareness, etc.).
(Todd Bussert and Joel Sickler, Bureau of Prisons Update: More Beds, Less Rehabilitation, THE CHAMPION, 42, 44 (March 2005).)

The RDAP program is available at many of the Bureau’s institutions, and for all security levels except high security at the federal penitentiaries. (See list of facilities that offer the program on page 69.) RDAP is currently in high demand, which sometimes necessitates the transfer of an offender from one facility to another where space is available. RDAP classes are called cohorts, as participants are housed together in designated quarters. These offenders are expected to devote a portion of each day to RDAP, with a part-time institutional work assignment. RDAP can be completed in as little as nine months, and, optimally, when offenders complete it they are transferred to community correctional centers (halfway houses) for transitional prerelease program assistance that lasts for up to six months.
When inmates are 90 percent of the way to their 3621(e) release date (full sentence less good conduct time less reduction for successful completion of the RDAP in- and outpatient program), they are eligible for referral to home confinement.
The following categories of inmates are not eligible for the RDAP program:
• INS detainees;
• pretrial inmates;
• contractual boarders (for example, District of Columbia, state, or military inmates).
Inmates not eligible for early release, include those who have a prior felony or misdemeanor conviction for homicide, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault, or child sexual abuse, and inmates whose current offense is a felony that 1) has an element, the actual, attempted, or threatened use of physical force against the person or property of another, 2) involved the carrying, possession, or use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon or explosives, 3) by its nature or conduct presents a serious potential risk of physical force against the person or property of another, or 4) by its nature or conduct involves sexual abuse offenses committed upon children. Inmates with firearm convictions and inmates who have received a two-level adjustment in their drug guideline offense severity score for possession of a dangerous weapon (including a firearm) pursuant to section 2D1.1(b)(1) of the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines are also ineligible for early release. (For information on the specific crimes that would preclude an inmate from an early release, see Bureau of Prison Program Statement 5162.04, available at www.bop.gov. While precluding early release, these offenses do not necessarily preclude the offender from the RDAP program and its extended prerelease placement.)

Now i looked but could not find where the BOP has sent him but hes going to a minimum security facility. Even if the place he is at doesnt offer it he can petition to be transfered to place where he can get it.

He wasnt harming someone elses person or property.
 

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The interview itself can be a source of extreme stress. Given the § 3621(e) incentive, as well as a general suspicion of prisoners, interviewers approach each applicant with an abundance of cynicism. An applicant can safely assume that no matter what appears in the presentence report, the interviewer will pose difficult questions and insist on knowing whether voluntary admission is sought in good faith to obtain treatment, or simply to secure a quicker return home. Customary inquiries include when applicants learned about the program, particularly about the § 3621(c) credit; whether attorneys advised them to exaggerate treatment needs when meeting with Probation; and exacting details about drug or alcohol use (e.g., when, how often, where, with whom, others’ awareness, etc.).
(Todd Bussert and Joel Sickler, Bureau of Prisons Update: More Beds, Less Rehabilitation, THE CHAMPION, 42, 44 (March 2005).)
This paragraph leads me to believe Vick won't qualify for the program. He has no documented drug problem other than one failed drug test which came out after he had been convicted.

I doubt he's smart enough to beat the system that it looks like they have in place here. He's gonna have to sell it AND have corroborating witnesses. He's never failed an NFL drug test. I don't think that raises to the level of a "problem" as severe as it seems they're looking for.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1829140 said:
Last time i checked PETA didnt run the US Justice system. If there is a law in the books that says admission ot that program equates to a reduction in sentence then it means he gets it.

I hope he does cause its entertaining to watch all the disingenuous indignation.

it probably will be, cuz I know that it was funny as hell watching your indignation at Goodell for suspending him before trial
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1829229 said:
pep is correct. its completely up to the judge/jury. given his legal firepower and the fact that Poindexter and his constituents have been reluctant prosecutors it wold seem that he would get concurrent sentences.

oh and here is some more info.

um, this is federal, not state, Pointdexter has nothing to do w/ this
 
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