Post Draft Analysis

[Rayman70]

Some on this board think Duece is nepotism pick.

Deuce Vaughn was drafted 2 rds below where he should haver been. We stole him. He will shine. Some fans are never happy. I was reading his bio and learned one of his strengths is pass protection. I was stunned. I figured because hes small he wouldn't be great at it, but turns out, its a strength. I am really wanting to see him in action.

 

[cnuball21]

Watched some Michigan games last night to see more of Mazi and Schoonmaker. I saw Pollards replacement for next season. We drafting that little Michigan running back, Blake Curom.

Corum is a monster.

 

[cnuball21]

I disagree in part. Mazi was a coveted player right around where he was drafted. Teams badly wanted him. This draft was massively short on difference making DT's like him.I think there might have been 3 dudes in all. Thats it. So he was going to be drafted earlier than he should have been. Dallas filled a need and they took the guy rated highest on their board. Todd Archer said they were interested in TE but not at 26. I believe this. I'm not thrilled with the draft we had but I am willing to wait and see before I declare it a reach draft. BTW. In 0 way is Nolan Smith better than Mazi and the guy can't finish a full year. They also play different positions. The guy has medical flags.

I think you’d be hard pressed to find any one that had Mazi rated higher Nolan as a prospect. Nolan is a monster. If you want to question his health that is fair though.

I can get on board with the Mazi pick. It was a reach but he’s probably not there in the 2nd and we’ve ignore the position in the draft forever.

After that thought…woof.

 

[Rayman70]

Zeke is coming back. Jerry all but said it at the press conference. I hope I am wrong.j

While I understand where you are coming from, and I would have taken Nolan Smith and OCyrus Torrence if I was doing it, look at it from a different angle.
1) Mazi Smith was a 2nd round grade along with everyone else not named Nolan Smith. They drafted for need, but also because they took SWilliams last year, and apparently didn't see him as a MLB. Also he had almost no chance to start over Parsons nor the DE's. Mazi will probably start, and keep Hankins more healthy.
2) Schoonmaker was a want not a need. They wanted a TE, I assume because they thought Torrence wouldn't start over Smith, Smith, Badasz, Martin or Steele. Why draft a back OL when you can draft a starting TE.
3) Overshown -- they must have seen in him what I saw they needed. A MLB that could give Parsons some ability to play other positions and still provide rush and coverage. I thought NSmith, JCampbell, or DSanders, but since they were gone here, they took Overshown. Could be an awesome piece that keeps Micah fresh later on in the year.
4) Fehoko -- getting a guy with that motor who might have a year or two behind tank, and be able to take over for him......nice pickup in the 4th.
5) Asim Richards -- developmental OL......see above with Schoonmaker....they think enough of their line, but added another anyway.
6) Eric Scott -- CB -- very good draft for TE and CB.....I would have preferred Jones from A&M but they have darn sure seen more film than I have.
6b) Deuce -- playmaker. If you don't need any back to take the ball 25 times a game due to wear and tear......Pollard 15, Jones 8, Deuce 7, and maybe one or two for Luekpe.
7) WR. ........just another WR to compete, but you aren't exactly hurting at WR this year anyway with CD, Cooks, and Gallup getting most of the plays and determining if Fehoko, and Tolbert can help, and seeing if you can integrate Turpin. And Dallas has a couple others that might surprise.

So their top two guys are guys who probably will start, instead of guys who while talented, might not have a place to start right away.
The first pick was need, but we have needed a legit 1T for years.....He might take this D up a level.
The next two were want picks........but understandable.
The last days picks all have a chance to contribute.

While you wouldn't be shocked if every member of this class were off the team, I wouldn't be shocked if all but one make the team and contribute. There is always one though.

I am telling u, Nolan Smith was off their board because of his long history of medicals. He was flagged. He never has played a full season in college. While hes talented, we did the right thing., Mazi was a coveted DT. He had to be drafted there or he was getting drafted right behind us. Luved the Deuce pick. The others, seem kinda like Velcro picks. Throw **** at the wall and see what sticks.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Did you also “hear” that Solari wants to play with 4 OL and just get rid of the LOG position altogether LOL

Exactly, and it hardly takes a football genius to see that on an individual basis LG is a potential weakness.....but that still doesnt mean you take Torrence ,regardless. Tyler and Risner's availability in free agency could be the stop gap, we just dont know whether we even liked Torrence. We acknowledged the need by bringing him and Avila on visits.

 

[Rayman70]

I think you’d be hard pressed to find any one that had Mazi rated higher Nolan as a prospect. Nolan is a monster. If you want to question his health that is fair though.

I can get on board with the Mazi pick. It was a reach but he’s probably not there in the 2nd and we’ve ignore the position in the draft forever.

After that thought…woof.

Im telling you we did. Many teams did because of the medical/injury history. It dropped him and some teams removed him from their board. Thats why he fell. The guy is what he is, a talented injury risk with a history of being hurt. Mazi was getting drafted between 26-31. U may not agree, but its the facts. Its because this draft lacked elite Dt's like him. If we traded back we werent getting him. Now the Schoonmaker pick was dumb. I get it kinda but I can think of many different guys we should have drafted there. Like u, I can get on board with the Mazi pick. Dudes a freak. He isnt Larry Allen as far as brute strength but he aint that far away.

 

[Rayman70]

Zeke is coming back. Jerry all but said it at the press conference. I hope I am wrong.

Jerry says alot of dumb stuff .

 

[visionary]

Zeke is coming back. Jerry all but said it at the press conference. I hope I am wrong.

I would hate that
Zeke is done
Can’t be sentimental as a GM but the Joneses are morons

 

[visionary]

Jerry says alot of dumb stuff .

Jerry DOES a lot of dumb stuff

(Corrected it for you)

 

[cnuball21]

Im telling you we did. Many teams did because of the medical/injury history. It dropped him and some teams removed him from their board. Thats why he fell. The guy is what he is, a talented injury risk with a history of being hurt. Mazi was getting drafted between 26-31. U may not agree, but its the facts. Its because this draft lacked elite Dt's like him. If we traded back we werent getting him. Now the Schoonmaker pick was dumb. I get it kinda but I can think of many different guys we should have drafted there. Like u, I can get on board with the Mazi pick. Dudes a freak. He isnt Larry Allen as far as brute strength but he aint that far away.

Yea, you very well may be right about Nolan.

 

[Spottswoode]

With the the time and effort many of us put in throughout the offseason process and to get this result, it makes many of us so upset:

Not picking on you but this is the most honest response as to why some people on this site lose their mInds on draft picks.

People here have actually convinced themselves that they are true prospect evaluators and their evaluations matter.

 

[Risen Star]

Yes, we had to help the QB and failed to do so.

We will enter the 2023 season the same pretender we have been.

 

[Jarntt]

I only read page 1 because every post had the same negative tone. Personally I liked the draft more and more as I thought about it. They didn’t pick any of “my” guys but I didn’t spend 3 months watching tape of players 10 hours a day so I’m good with that. I think too many fans erroneously get hung up with thinking mock drafts are an accurate portrayal of how NFL teams view the prospects.

As far as the complaints about offense go, I would have preferred an OL earlier (for when Tyron goes down) but the right guy needs to be there. I think Edoga will be playable as a backup and I think we sign another OT for depth. I‘m glad we didn’t take a WR early as our top 3 are better than most of the league and should all be here for at least two more years and was happy each time a team picked one pushing other positions back and keeping them available. I would have liked one in the mid rounds but was fine without it. Plus we almost always have an UDFA WR that makes the final roster. As far as RB goes I did want to draft one and like the guy we picked but ideally we would have gotten one earlier. However, you can always sign a veteran back to handcuff Pollard And I think there is a chance Vaughn becomes what some of his over-exuberant backers think. Even after cut down day some will be available so I’m fine with waiting to see what Jones and Vaughn fit and like it or not I suspect the team is going to offer Zeke a vet minimum deal. I definitely had other TEs I wanted to draft but this is the guy they wanted so we will have to see how it goes but I like our young guys we already had. I think Ferguson and Hendershot can both do a little of everything and McKeon is going to be a really good blocker.

So, I guess I didn’t see the horrible offense coming into the draft that others on here apparently did. I'm excited to read about how our picks are doing in camp and to see them in the preseason. Lastly, just like we were more active this off-season with trades I totally think we will be a player at the trade deadline this year. We will have a lot of cap space to play with and I think we are going to acquire a big asset at that time if we are in the race and I expect we will be.

 

[Rayman70]

Yea, you very well may be right about Nolan.

Bryan Broaddus was talking about it and then showed NS statline at GA and brought up the fact the kid never has played a full season at Ga. Then he said hes medically flagged by many teams including the Dallas team dr's. Thats why he fell. philly rolled the dice. While the media luv fest continues for philly, truth is, they gambled on the first 2 picks. BIG BOOM OR BUST STUFF. But the pundits ignored it. The 105.3 live draft coverage covered it. This false narrative that Dallas gambled with Mazi was just BS from the start. Fans are getting duped. Mazi was a great well thought out pick. But we can have a conversation about several guys we drafted afterwards.

 

[Rayman70]

Yes, we had to help the QB and failed to do so.

We will enter the 2023 season the same pretender we have been.

Deuce helps Dak. If MM lets the kid on the field enuff. Rather draft Hyatt at 58 instead of a blocking TE. That was dumb. While I luv deuce, did we do enough offensively?

 

[cnuball21]

Bryan Broaddus was talking about it and then showed NS statline at GA and brought up the fact the kid never has played a full season at Ga. Then he said hes medically flagged by many teams including the Dallas team dr's. Thats why he fell. philly rolled the dice. While the media luv fest continues for philly, truth is, they gambled on the first 2 picks. BIG BOOM OR BUST STUFF. But the pundits ignored it. The 105.3 live draft coverage covered it. This false narrative that Dallas gambled with Mazi was just BS from the start. Fans are getting duped. Mazi was a great well thought out pick. But we can have a conversation about several guys we drafted afterwards.

Interesting as I didn’t hear that from Broaddus. Philly did take some risks but I wouldn’t be surprised if both of those guys win multiple pro bowls.

 

[Rayman70]

I only read page 1 because every post had the same negative tone. Personally I liked the draft more and more as I thought about it. They didn’t pick any of “my” guys but I didn’t spend 3 months watching tape of players 10 hours a day so I’m good with that. I think too many fans erroneously get hung up with thinking mock drafts are an accurate portrayal of how NFL teams view the prospects.

As far as the complaints about offense go, I would have preferred an OL earlier (for when Tyron goes down) but the right guy needs to be there. I think Edoga will be playable as a backup and I think we sign another OT for depth. I‘m glad we didn’t take a WR early as our top 3 are better than most of the league and should all be here for at least two more years and was happy each time a team picked one pushing other positions back and keeping them available. I would have liked one in the mid rounds but was fine without it. Plus we almost always have an UDFA WR that makes the final roster. As far as RB goes I did want to draft one and like the guy we picked but ideally we would have gotten one earlier. However, you can always sign a veteran back to handcuff Pollard And I think there is a chance Vaughn becomes what some of his over-exuberant backers think. Even after cut down day some will be available so I’m fine with waiting to see what Jones and Vaughn fit and like it or not I suspect the team is going to offer Zeke a vet minimum deal. I definitely had other TEs I wanted to draft but this is the guy they wanted so we will have to see how it goes but I like our young guys we already had. I think Ferguson and Hendershot can both do a little of everything and McKeon is going to be a really good blocker.

So, I guess I didn’t see the horrible offense coming into the draft that others on here apparently did. I'm excited to read about how our picks are doing in camp and to see them in the preseason. Lastly, just like we were more active this off-season with trades I totally think we will be a player at the trade deadline this year. We will have a lot of cap space to play with and I think we are going to acquire a big asset at that time if we are in the race and I expect we will be.

I see 2 heavy contributors' day 1. I see 2 starting special teamers. Then the rest are darts. Thats a nice draft actually. Its a baseline, but thats what ya want heading into a draft when your team is already stacked. Question is, will it be enuff?

 

[Risen Star]

Deuce helps Dak. If MM lets the kid on the field enuff. Rather draft Hyatt at 58 instead of a blocking TE. That was dumb. While I luv deuce, did we do enough offensively?

Oh stop with this Deuce crap. I don't want to spend the summer hearing how a pocket-sized Pollard is going to change anything. If he amounts to anything he's a very limited role player.

 

[CowboyoWales]

So, I guess I didn’t see the horrible offense coming into the draft that others on here apparently did. I'm excited to read about how our picks are doing in camp and to see them in the preseason. Lastly, just like we were more active this off-season with trades I totally think we will be a player at the trade deadline this year. We will have a lot of cap space to play with and I think we are going to acquire a big asset at that time if we are in the race and I expect we will be.

I think we can see why Mike thinks our Offense stumbled last year (looking to west coast HC). I accept we're looking at a certain amount of faith in Tolbert (improving) and Gallup (increasing confidence based on a year further removed from injury) improving, but the room's already improved by the addition of Cooks and with the emphasis on drafting a TE early (with Fergushot), we must be looking at more 12 Personnel.

 

[Rayman70]

Interesting as I didn’t hear that from Broaddus. Philly did take some risks but I wouldn’t be surprised if both of those guys win multiple pro bowls.

BB said it during the coverage. Kyle yeoman's put the chart up. I'm telling u, the Eagles had a nice draft. I am not saying they didnt, but the first 2 picks are risky as hell. Carter might be in jail this year. Dude killed 2 people. Its an ongoing investigation. He has work ethic issues(Carter). Very lazy and hard to deal with. Big Character issues. I wish Siriani luck. Lastly, NS and the medicals are real and long. Hes undersized as well;. What happened to Nakobe Dean last year after they drafted him? He was a non factor. Davis? Barely did anything. They drafted Ringo. That kid is really raw and might at best, be a special teams guy for them. I respect the Eagles, but their draft wasn't all that.