QB of the future

[IAmLegend]

I'll be really pissed if we waste a pick on a QB this year... Not only because I don't like any of the in QB's in this year's draft, but because that would likely mean we draft one in the mid-to-late rounds and that's pretty much pointless these days. Franchise QB's are drafted in the first 2 rounds. Brady's a fluke.

Wait until next year to use a high pick on one.

 

[NickZepp]

Well heck, that settles it. Don't draft one.

You might as well list all the UDFAs who amounted to nothing too, so we shouldn't sign any of them either.

Also, there are a ton of 1st round flame outs, so go ahead and list those to prove we shouldn't draft them as well.

Heck, let's avoid the QB position altogether, from here on out, because of all the past failures.

We need to improve the team first. The defense still has a long ways to go talent wise. Then we need depth on offensive line also.

 

[MrPeanutbutter]

I'll be really pissed if we waste a pick on a QB this year... Not only because I don't like any of the in QB's in this year's draft, but because that would likely mean we draft one in the mid-to-late rounds and that's pretty much pointless these days. Franchise QB's are drafted in the first 2 rounds. Brady's a fluke.

Wait until next year to use a high pick on one.

Realistically, an uncertain QB is a second or third round commodity. Unless there is an Andrew Luck type product where you absolutely know they're going number one, most QBs aren't worth the risk.

For example, I would draft Jameis Winston in the early second round and Marcus Mariota in the late second round.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

When do you think the cowboys will target a qb to groom? Its obviously not going to be a first round stud due to us being competitive the next few years. Which leads you to drafting a QB in the second round and later.

When do we do it, and who do think it will be?

If a QB prospect falls to the Cowboys in the 4th round and beyond, I think they will draft him. Until Tony retires, or just can't play anymore, QB will be a low priority.

 

[MrPeanutbutter]

If a QB prospect falls to the Cowboys in the 4th round and beyond, I think they will draft him. Until Tony retires, or just can't play anymore, QB will be a low priority.

There are clearly two camps.

1) Draft a QB and let him sit behind Romo (the Packers method)
This method seems to be the best if a specific talent falls in the draft. We're not going to be in a position to draft a top ten QB for a long time.
2) Draft a QB after Romo
This one is tougher. You have to have a stopgap plan, which is annoying and then you have to lose enough games to get a high enough draft pick, and the quarterback has to be good enough to start almost immediately.

I'll take 1 unless we know the Cowboys could be bad without a qb and there is some generational talent available.

 

[ternewt24]

I would like to see us draft Cook next year from Mich state. Hes a very accurate passer. He is a pocket qb. I think he could have great potential if he sat a learned a year or 2.

 

[MrPeanutbutter]

I would like to see us draft Cook next year from Mich state. Hes a very accurate passer. He is a pocket qb. I think he could have great potential if he sat a learned a year or 2.

If Hackenberg is available in the late first, I would certainly take him. Penn State is bad and has no offensive line, but their quarterback has all the tools. If he could back up Romo, that would be excellent.

His draft stock is certainly dropping because his team is so bad.

 

[KJJ]

It will be interesting to see him in training camp and pre season.

He's going to have to show some progress this summer to remain on the roster can't waste time with him if he's not developing. I felt the Cowboys stuck with Stephen McGee a year longer than they should have he showed no improvement from his first preseason to his 3rd preseason.

 

[Doomsday101]

He's going to have to show some progress this summer to remain on the roster can't waste time with him if he's not developing. I felt the Cowboys stuck with Stephen McGee a year longer than they should have he showed no improvement from his first preseason to his 3rd preseason.

I would not avoid taking a QB in the draft if I liked him because of Vaughn. I look at Vaughn as a undrafted prospect that may or may not develop but would not alter what I do or do not do in the draft because of him.

 

[KJJ]

I would not avoid taking a QB in the draft if I liked him because of Vaughn. I look at Vaughn as a undrafted prospect that may or may not develop but would not alter what I do or do not do in the draft because of him.

I wouldn't avoid taking a QB either in the draft Vaughn is a long shot I would be looking in the 2nd or 3rd round to increase the odds of coming up with a solid prospect. If Vaughn doesn't put up a good challenge for the backup job this summer I would part ways with him.

 

[IAmLegend]

I would like to see us draft Cook next year from Mich state. Hes a very accurate passer. He is a pocket qb. I think he could have great potential if he sat a learned a year or 2.

He or Hackenberg are my two favorites.

 

[Doomsday101]

I wouldn't avoid taking a QB either in the draft Vaughn is a long shot I would be looking in the 2nd or 3rd round to increase the odds of coming up with a solid prospect. If Vaughn isn't putting up a good challenge for the backup job this summer I would part ways with him.

I agree, I guess main issue I have is I'm not sold on this crop of QB. In my view even the top 2 QB in the draft Winston and Mariota have some real question marks on them. As I mentioned in this tread I like Petty but would not pull the trigger before the 3rd rd. Just my view.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Romo wouldn't have been on the team is Quincy Carter didn't get high and cut. Give the guy time to develop.

Not sure if serious or not. Quincy, at best, was a very inaccurate, poor decision making QB who threw entirely too many INTs. The question is, would we have still signed Romo, had Carter not managed to smoke himself out of the League? I think the answer is yes since Tony was signed in 2003 and Carter was already here. I think he threw 21 INTs that season. Eventually, the Cowboys would have come to the decision that Quincy was not the answer IMO. Neither Parcells, nor Payton would have continued to stay with him IMO. Since Payton would still have been our OC, I think it was just a matter of time before Tony would have beaten Carter out. Carter had no chance to be our long term starter. JMO

 

[KJJ]

I agree, I guess main issue I have is I'm not sold on this crop of QB. In my view even the top 2 QB in the draft Winston and Mariota have some real question marks on them. As I mentioned in this tread I like Petty but would not pull the trigger before the 3rd rd. Just my view.

It's a crapshoot with college QB's always has been and always will be you just never know how they're going to take to the pro game. There's been some that looked like can't miss prospects and they missed while others who weren't thought of as highly ended up being very solid NFL QB's. Just look at last years crop you had Manziel going ahead of Bridgewater and Carr and both of those QB's showed a lot more promise as rookies than Manziel who may not last any longer in Cleveland than Brandon Weeden. No one ever thought Romo would develop into the QB he has the QB position continues to be the hardest position to evaluate. I believe in taking a shot in the draft at least every couple of years especially when you have an aging QB.

 

[Doomsday101]

It's a crapshoot with college QB's always has been and always will be you just never know how they're going to take to the pro game. There's been some that looked like can't miss prospects and they missed while others who weren't thought of as highly ended up being very solid NFL QB's. Just look at last years crop you had Manziel going ahead of Bridgewater and Carr and both of those QB's showed a lot more promise as rookies than Manziel who may not last any longer in Cleveland than Brandon Weeden. No one ever thought Romo would develop into the QB he has the QB position continues to be the hardest position to evaluate. I believe in taking a shot in the draft at least every couple of years especially when you have an aging QB.

I agree to an extent, I was pretty much sold on Troy Aikman, Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. Luck still has a lot of room to grow but you could see how the mechanics of their game at the college level and was not hard to think it would continue onto the Pros. With many of the QB coming out of programs where the QB is more of a run option it leave more doubts in my mind than ever before. I like Winston however I have strong questions on his ability to be a leader and the position requires it, his off the field action just makes me not trust him to be there for the team. His ability at the position I think will translate into the Pros very well.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree to an extent, I was pretty much sold on Troy Aikman, Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. Luck still has a lot of room to grow but you could see how the mechanics of their game at the college level and was not hard to think it would continue onto the Pros. With many of the QB coming out of programs where the QB is more of a run option it leave more doubts in my mind than ever before. I like Winston however I have strong questions on his ability to be a leader and the position requires it, his off the field action just makes me not trust him to be there for the team. His ability at the position I think will translate into the Pros very well.

In Dallas, Winston would not work. However, he may work in other NFL cities. In Dallas, the QB is so scrutinized that you almost have to be a guy like Roger or Troy or Tony. In Dallas, it takes more then just being able to play the game well. You have to be more then that. You have to be a guy who is good enough to win on Sundays but still strong enough to resist the temptations that go along with the success and you have to be a strong enough person to deal with the mountain of BS, from all sides, that you get even when you win. Never mind what it's like when you lose. That guy, IMO, is not Winston.

 

[Doomsday101]

In Dallas, Winston would not work. However, he may work in other NFL cities. In Dallas, the QB is so scrutinized that you almost have to be a guy like Roger or Troy or Tony. In Dallas, it takes more then just being able to play the game well. You have to be more then that. You have to be a guy who is good enough to win on Sundays but still strong enough to resist the temptations that go along with the success and you have to be a strong enough person to deal with the mountain of BS, from all sides, that you get even when you win. Never mind what it's like when you lose. That guy, IMO, is not Winston.

I agree with you. I think Winston has the tool I have a lot of doubts if he has the smarts to handle himself as a Pro QB and as you said Dallas that light shines even brighter than most places. Watching him drop back, reading the field and making the throws I think his physical game would translate well in the NFL but my big concerns with him is the leadership and mental makeup of him. As a redshirt Sophomore I think it would be a big mistake to come out this year, I think the kid as a lot of growing up to do

 

[KJJ]

I agree to an extent, I was pretty much sold on Troy Aikman, Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. Luck still has a lot of room to grow but you could see how the mechanics of their game at the college level and was not hard to think it would continue onto the Pros. With many of the QB coming out of programs where the QB is more of a run option it leave more doubts in my mind than ever before. I like Winston however I have strong questions on his ability to be a leader and the position requires it, his off the field action just makes me not trust him to be there for the team. His ability at the position I think will translate into the Pros very well.

For every Aikman, Peyton Manning and Andrew luck you have a Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell and a Jeff George. They were so called "can't miss" prospects who missed badly. I don't try and gage what college QB's abilities will translate to the NFL because becoming a solid NFL QB comes down to much more than just physical abilities.

 

[Doomsday101]

For every Aikman, Peyton Manning and Andrew luck you have a Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell and a Jeff George. They were so called "can't miss" prospects who missed badly. I don't try and gage what college QB's abilities will translate to the NFL because becoming a solid NFL QB comes down to much more than just physical abilities.

Being honest I did not care for Leaf coming out of college and when the debates ran on at that time Leaf or Peyton I had no doubts on Peyton. Russell I was never impressed with his mechanics which to me was a lot like Vince Young and George was not sold on him. I try to watch QB and their mechanics and how they conduct themselves and if I think their game will translate into the NFL. Now I did not expect these QB to be complete waste of time and did not think George was a compete waste just never lived up to the 1st rd pick.

 

[DFWJC]

How many teams out there have a clear future franchise QB backing up their starter right now?

Most likely the answer is between 0 and 2...at most.

I keep hearing the "Green Bay approach". That was a total lightening in a bottle scenario that no team could ever predict.