QB of the future

[sbark]

Outside of Romo, how many franchize QBs have ever been taken really low and have then developed over a period of years to become a top QB? anyone thinking this is likely is smoking something very strong. Develope a backup Guy; then if lightning strikes again and we get another Romo then fine. Otherwise plan A should be targeting a guy that we truly believe will be a franchize QB and get him - regardless of costs- BUT not this year or next as long as Romo is romo.

as posted later there are quite a few (even missed Kurt Warner)............but then also have to sit back and look at how many "sure things" were taken as 1st round QB's (start with Ryan Leaf and go from there) only to be total busts..............just because a QB is taken in the 1st, is it even a 50/50 chance he is a player? I'd venture less than that, or the NFL rosters would be knee deep in QB prospects who are ready to play, the Ariz Cardinals this year would've loved that luxery, might still be playing.

 

[sbark]

Plenty of somewhat recent examples of QBs who won the Superbowl who weren't first round picks:

• Russell Wilson
• Joe Flacco
• Drew Brees
• Tom Brady
• Brett Favre
• Brad Johnson
• Mark Rypien
• Jeff Hostetler
• Joe Montana
• Joe Theisman
• Bart Starr
• Kenny Stabler
• Roger Staubach
• Steve Young (probably would have been a 1st rounder if he had went straight to the NFL)

By my rough count these QBs represent slightly less than half of Superbowl winners.

My point here is that it <is possible> to win Superbowls with QBs who aren't 1st round picks.

Good list........now how about lets put together a list of 1st round busts inside the last 12 years.........and I'll say any 1st rounder, if a GM spent a pick at that place in the draft, he expected a player available inside 3 years.

 

[nablives]

Good list........now how about lets put together a list of 1st round busts inside the last 12 years.........and I'll say any 1st rounder, if a GM spent a pick at that place in the draft, he expected a player available inside 3 years.

We may also want to analyze where those guys were drafted after the 1st round. For example, and I'd have to double-check to be sure, but I believe Favre and Brees were drafted high in the 2nd round. To me, that's still a pretty significant investment. You need starters to come out of 2nd round picks, and quality starters at that.

 

[sbark]

I hope he develops into the next Tom Brady but that seems unlikely. Reading his draft reports, he has small hands so his passes aren't as smooth as a Romo's. He is 6'5" but he is listed as too slow to escape pressure, holds the ball too long, and forces passes. We can coach him but some of that is inherent to the player and can't be fixed. It also seems that he doesn't have the ability to throw accurate deep passes.

This all could be wrong but it looks like a career backup is more likely than a franchise QB.

What I like even more than his yards and 62.5% completion rate...............is his lack of turnovers: 70 TD's vrs only 17 Ints.....that percentage works in Garretts system. And in reviewing Romo's stats this year---that is his biggest improvement over past years, maybe too willing to take a sack, but just unwilling to throw the ball to the wrong guys was huge.

 

[Fmart322]

Just look at this list of failed QB's, by year and draft round. This is why you don't wait till your QB is done. Good teams get ready, or at least try, for their next QB. seems like every 3 years a decent draft for QB's comes along. How many starters do you see after the 1st round? Not many. Romo's successor should be drafted now.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position

 

[NickZepp]

I just think there has to be a natural fit at the position. It's hard to find a QB as a top pick anymore and it's equally hard to pick a UDFA or low round pick to be a great QB.

 

[Fredd]

I haven't read the entire thread, so apologies if this has been said; the FO saw something in DV to keep him on the 53-man roster and never dressing; they didn't want to expose him to some other team grabbing him; they must see/know something about him; I can see the same rotation in 2015...romo, weeden on game day and Vaughn in your back pocket...2016? romo, Vaughn...

 

[MrPeanutbutter]

Generally speaking, I find a quarterback with potential but unproven are best taken in round 2 or 3 and developed on the bench. This is the only option for a Cowboys franchise which is competing at a 500+ level year in and year out.

Very few quarterbacks are worth tanking for, and odds are the Buccaneers are going to regret whichever player they pick.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Plenty of somewhat recent examples of QBs who won the Superbowl who weren't first round picks:

• Russell Wilson - A scout told me pre-draft he would be a 1st round pick if he was two inches taller. His team selected Wilson in the 3rd.
• Joe Flacco - He actually was a 1st round pick, drafted 18th overall.
• Drew Brees - drafted 32nd overall.
• Tom Brady
• Brett Favre - drafted 33rd overall.
• Brad Johnson
• Mark Rypien
• Jeff Hostetler
• Joe Montana
• Joe Theisman
• Bart Starr
• Kenny Stabler
• Roger Staubach - His military obligation and the Vietnam War probably had something to do with him not being drafted in the 1st round
• Steve Young - 1st round pick ( and 1st pick overall) in 1984 Supplemental Draft.

By my rough count these QBs represent slightly less than half of Superbowl winners.

My point here is that it <is possible> to win Superbowls with QBs who aren't 1st round picks.

Of course, it's possible, but the majority of NFL teams have 1st round picks at the QB position. 24 of 32 teams had 1st rounders take snaps at QB this year. If you expand that to include the 2nd round, it becomes 29 of 32 teams.

 

[GeorgiaCowboy7]

Johnny Freakin' Football

 

[TrailBlazer]

Why all the love for Vaughn? The dude was undrafted. Yeah, so was Romo, but that's a rarity.

Bc he made the team some fans think he is something special.

 

[JoeKing]

The grooming process should have already started. I don't think it's Vaughn so I think we are way behind the curve on that process.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Plenty of somewhat recent examples of QBs who won the Superbowl who weren't first round picks:

• Russell Wilson
• Joe Flacco
• Drew Brees
• Tom Brady
• Brett Favre
• Brad Johnson
• Mark Rypien
• Jeff Hostetler
• Joe Montana
• Joe Theisman
• Bart Starr
• Kenny Stabler
• Roger Staubach
• Steve Young (probably would have been a 1st rounder if he had went straight to the NFL)

By my rough count these QBs represent slightly less than half of Superbowl winners.

My point here is that it <is possible> to win Superbowls with QBs who aren't 1st round picks.

Flacco was a first round pick.

 

[Cowboyz88]

I love all the reactions in this thread:

"So many busts in the first, so don't draft one."

"So many fail to pan out in later rounds, so don't draft one."

"Romo's going to play at least 3 more years, so don't draft one."

"'Grooming' a QB never works, so don't waste the time."

Paralysis by over analysis displayed perfectly in the thread.

I've said it for years, and Babe Laufenberg said the same thing the other day on the radio — it's the most important position on the field, so draft one EVERY YEAR until you find the next one.

We all know the odds of finding a stud NFL QB are extremely long (there are only 8-12 good ones in the world), but if we were to listen to some of you, we'd never find one. You MUST keep addressing it, because it's not like finding the next WR or LB.

Take as many shots at the QB position as you can.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

OMG what language are you speaking? I can't understand what your trying to say.....

well silly i am not speaking for oncet. you cant unerstand what I am saying because I an writing. So read and do not listen it will all become clear.
yo friend in need, Gimmie

 

[NickZepp]

Here's a list of QBs drafted in rounds 3-7 the last decade. Which is where most on here advocate drafting a QB.

2005
Charlie Frye
Andrew Walter
David Greene
Kyle Orton
Stefan Lefors
Dan Orlovsky
Adrian McPherson
James Kilian
Matt Cassell
Ryan Fitzpatrick

2006
Charlie Whitehurst
Brodie Croyle
Ingle Martin
Omar Jacobs
Reggie McNeal
Bruce Gradkowski
DJ Shockley

2007
Trent Edwards
Isaiah Stanback
Jeff Rowe
Troy Smith
Jordan Palmer
Tyler Thigpen

2008
Kevin O'Connell
John David Booty
Dennis Dixon
Josh Johnson
Erik Ainge
Colt Brennan
Andre Woodson
Matt Flynn
Alex Brink

2009
Stephen McGee
Rhett Bomar
Nate Davis
Tom Brandstater
Mike Teal
Keith Null
Curtis Painter
Julian Edelman

2010
Colt McCoy
Mike Kafka
John Skelton
Johnathan Crompton
Rusty Smith
Dan LeFevour
Joe Webb
Tony Pike
Levi Brown
Sean Canfield
Zac Robinson

2011
Ryan Mallett
Ricky Stanzi
TJ Yates
Nathan Enderle
Tyrod Taylor
Greg McElroy

2012
Russell Wilson
Nick Foles
Kirk Cousins
Ryan Lindley
BJ Colemon
Chandler Harnish

2013
Mike Glennon
Matt Barkley
Ryan Nassib
Tyler Wilson
Landry Jones
Brad Sorensen
Zac Dysert
BJ Daniels
Sean Renfree

2014
Logan Thomas
Tom Savage
Aaron Murray
AJ McCarron
Zach Mettenberger
David Fales
Keith Wenning
Tajh Boyd
Garrett Gilbert

Basically Russell Wilson headlines the list and the next best player is Julian Edelman and that's because he's a good Wide Receiver.

 

[Cowboyz88]

Here's a list of QBs drafted in rounds 3-7 the last decade. Which is where most on here advocate drafting a QB.

2005
Charlie Frye
Andrew Walter
David Greene
Kyle Orton
Stefan Lefors
Dan Orlovsky
Adrian McPherson
James Kilian
Matt Cassell
Ryan Fitzpatrick

2006
Charlie Whitehurst
Brodie Croyle
Ingle Martin
Omar Jacobs
Reggie McNeal
Bruce Gradkowski
DJ Shockley

2007
Trent Edwards
Isaiah Stanback
Jeff Rowe
Troy Smith
Jordan Palmer
Tyler Thigpen

2008
Kevin O'Connell
John David Booty
Dennis Dixon
Josh Johnson
Erik Ainge
Colt Brennan
Andre Woodson
Matt Flynn
Alex Brink

2009
Stephen McGee
Rhett Bomar
Nate Davis
Tom Brandstater
Mike Teal
Keith Null
Curtis Painter
Julian Edelman

2010
Colt McCoy
Mike Kafka
John Skelton
Johnathan Crompton
Rusty Smith
Dan LeFevour
Joe Webb
Tony Pike
Levi Brown
Sean Canfield
Zac Robinson

2011
Ryan Mallett
Ricky Stanzi
TJ Yates
Nathan Enderle
Tyrod Taylor
Greg McElroy

2012
Russell Wilson
Nick Foles
Kirk Cousins
Ryan Lindley
BJ Colemon
Chandler Harnish

2013
Mike Glennon
Matt Barkley
Ryan Nassib
Tyler Wilson
Landry Jones
Brad Sorensen
Zac Dysert
BJ Daniels
Sean Renfree

2014
Logan Thomas
Tom Savage
Aaron Murray
AJ McCarron
Zach Mettenberger
David Fales
Keith Wenning
Tajh Boyd
Garrett Gilbert

Basically Russell Wilson headlines the list and the next best player is Julian Edelman and that's because he's a good Wide Receiver.

Well heck, that settles it. Don't draft one.

You might as well list all the UDFAs who amounted to nothing too, so we shouldn't sign any of them either.

Also, there are a ton of 1st round flame outs, so go ahead and list those to prove we shouldn't draft them as well.

Heck, let's avoid the QB position altogether, from here on out, because of all the past failures.

 

[Everson24]

Dustin Vaughn can really throw the football and I think the Cowboys see something special in him as well. They really tried to keep him under wraps in the preseason and never did test it by trying to sneak him onto the practice squad. One scout said he was a better prospect than Blake Bortles.

 

[loublue22]

Life without Tony leaves me with cold sweats whenever I think about it.

 

[perrykemp]

Would like to see them take a QB in rounds 1-3. Not sure who, know sure which of those rounds.