BrAinPaiNt;1492510 said:Are you saying that meriweather had no character issues and it was proven he did not have character issues?
Are you saying that you think hos is a bigot because he still believes that meriweather has character issues?
Than maybe you are blind because the man DOES have character issues.
He was involved in the brawl at that game and made a complete arse out of himself and nothing in any publication or your perceived race baiting will change the fact that he made an arse out of himself during that situation.
I think it would better off if you either dropped your bigot race baiting tactics or just flat out move on because that is not going to fly any longer.
BrAinPaiNt;1492510 said:Are you saying that meriweather had no character issues and it was proven he did not have character issues?
Are you saying that you think hos is a bigot because he still believes that meriweather has character issues?
Than maybe you are blind because the man DOES have character issues.
He was involved in the brawl at that game and made a complete arse out of himself and nothing in any publication or your perceived race baiting will change the fact that he made an arse out of himself during that situation.
I think it would better off if you either dropped your bigot race baiting tactics or just flat out move on because that is not going to fly any longer.
I am neither a bigot, nor a racist. Period. Do not push that issue with me ever again. It had damn well better be over, or you better keep it to yourself from this day forward.Charles;1492500 said:IMHO I believed you stereotyped Brandon Meriweather. You didn't want him based on the character issues noted by draft publication grades, when presented with evidence contrary to the general sentiment that Meriweather had character issues you still held fast to your opinion.......that my friend in a nutshell is bigotry.
You can be a bigot without being a racist.
You can stereotype without being a racist.
If some reason you extrapolated racism from my contentions then get in touch with your reasoning faculties because as I meantioned above one can be a bigot and stereotyper without having racist feelings.......capiche!!!!
My opinion had nothing to do with draft guides. Not one thing. I have a mind of my own. Sorry if that offends you or disrupts your silly little fantasy, but it's just the truth. I liked players long before the draft guides ever hit the Net or the stands. I disliked some too.Based on your interpretation of various draft guides and grades (as you mention earlier in the thread) you stated you didn't want Meriweather on the team.
I honestly don't care. Like I said, he could have been the consensus #1 pick and my opinion would not have changed. I didn't want him. I have stated why on numerous occasions. I am curious how often he will come up in the future when he has absolutely no relevance to the Dallas Cowboys whatsoever.Based on my knowledge of Meriweather as a high school player, collegiate player and various friends who work on sports representing agency, I knew he wasn't a bad character guy as paint by the various draft grades.
Scott Pioli who runs the most successful franchise since the 90's Cowboys must agree with my sentiments or he wouldn't waste a 1st RD pick on Meriweather.
It's not a big freaking deal. It just shows we look at things from different vantage points........capiche.......the same applies to Quincy Carter.......you see train wreck.........I see a young man making $200 a week doing what he luvs, creating a buzz and taking pictures with fans who like making funny fashion statements:
Nope. Two completely different, disjointed topics as far as I am concerned.Do you now see the relevance?
Neither of us. I was laughing that you would even bother to bring him up as something you were "right" about. Translation, find a better example.Who said anything about Clarett being a success story?
LOLYou stated that I hadn't gotten anything right in the past 5 years. Well I was right prior to the draft that Clarett would be drafted on Day one. That was evidence that I had been correct within the past 5 years. At no point did I say or insinuate that it was or it was going to be a success story.
Not in your arguments with me you haven't been, and that was my point, is my point, and has always been the point. When we have squared off it has always been about QB and I'm sorry, but you have always had the wrong opinions of what I think. You try and assign me my own thoughts and you just can't do it.By the way Hosplex, I didn't associate the Clarett stuff with you, once again I used it as evidence to show that I have been right sometimes over the past 5 years.
Holy cow man, that's pretty shallow of you. I'd never insult people in wheelchairs the way you just did. Nice job tough guy.But but didn't you just say wearing Jersey for players that have flopped in the NFL is a funny fashion statement, then when I proceed to show you a Cowboy fan wearing a Quincy Carter No.17 jersey you decide to come up with this drivel
What you don't think the Cowboy's fan in the wheel chair is trying to be funny or make a funny fashion statement?
It's real simple, what 3 QBs were on the roster in 2004? Now ask it again. Whose days were numbered? Don't make me hold your hand and walk you through it.That is a good question?
Whose days were numbered?
Thank you. Sincerely.I apologize. My interpretation was WAY off base.
My apologies to "everyone" but I am going to speak for them. If Quincy Carter had turned into our equivalent of Tom Brady "everyone" would have loved him. He was never going to be that good. Shame on all of us who wanted to get better at a critical position. We should hang our head and cry.That is not true. You can't speak for everyone, but you've made a habit of being real inclusive in this thread.........."everyone can see it" "most" etc.
No he didn't. I am sorry, but that is giving him way too much power. People went where they did of their own volition. He had nothing to do with it whatsoever.Quincy Carter brought out the worst in Cowboy nation for and against.
I still want that, or better if I can have it. I'm a terrible person to want my team to have the best so they can be the best.I think everyone wanted another Staubach or Troy , but I didn't understand the reasoning behind no extending Carter the luxury of developing.
I don't buy this for even one minute. I really don't. Know why? Because every other player in the last 5 years has been fair game for the same criticism without the damned drama.QBs like Roger and Troy just don't fall into our laps, just because QBs don't live up to their status doesn't mean they can't help the Cowboys succeed. I was rabid in my defense of Carter because up until we signed Bledsoe and then Romo's emergence no other QB had played better for the Cowboys since Troy Aikman.
I'm sorry, but that is just a load of crap.It was about anyone but Carter!!!!
Wrong yet again Chuck-o. In 2001 when I knew we would be looking at a QB I was hoping for us to draft a guy named Drew Brees. There were QBs in that draft that I wanted nothing to do with. Carter was one of them. But if you think I wanted him to fail you're nuts.And who exactly was you 1st choice a way of getting better. Drew Henson........A player that was so inconsistent in practice and his development that he couldn't even hold on to the back-up job when all he had to do was fend off a undrafted free agent.
It's about the Dallas Cowboys and putting the best 53 guys on the field every year that we possibly can, with the best 22 as starters.
Uh, no it isn't. When you call someone a bigot you are implying that they hold prejudice against anyone who is outside of their own race, religion, or creed.Charles;1492648 said:Please BP don't insult my intelligence.
A quick look into a valid dictionary will show that Bigot means "a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions.
In most cases it is attributed to religoius or racial prejudices, but in it's elementary form a Bigot is one who holds firm to ANY opinion or feeling even when facts are contrary to those beliefs.
Uh, no you can't. That might make you stubborn about your opinion but it does NOT make you a bigot.Therefore, I could be a bigot for thinking that sport forums are full of fans who have nothing to do, but sit behind a computer and hack away, when in reality that is further from the truth.
I repeatedly also said that I had more issues with him stomping on a player's head.Hostile held firm to his stance that Meriweather had character issues because he was involved in a gun fight and brawl on the field.
Myself and other posters presented information that showed Meriweather acted within the LAW in discharging his weapon.
Isn't acting within the LAW considered a good character trait????
Yes, it plays a part. For everyone. If I had stomped on an opponent's head it SHOULD bring into question my character. Just like Romanowski spitting on JJ Stokes, just like Marcus Vick stomping on the Louisville DE's leg (name escapes me), just like Richie Incognito getting kicked off the Cornhuskers. Those are character issues.Whatever happened to being caught up in the moment. Are you trying to tell me that every bad thing you've done is a complete reflection of your CHARACTER...............
Bigotry is associated with racism. Period.For some reason we want to interject Racism into my contentions. I wasn't born yesterday. I can tell the difference.
I'm sorry, but bigotry does equate to racism, it was across the line and you've yet to back off from it.I've agreed and disagreed with Hostile on many issues. We both liked Terrell Suggs a couple of years ago. He had some character flags because of a fight prior to the draft, but Hostile knew the player being in close proximity to his college in Arizona and I also did my own background check and new it was just some old time friends looking for an easy pay day.
Bigotry does not always equate to Racist, but if you think I've crossed the line then I'll definately move on...............
Hostile;1492714 said:I'm sorry, but bigotry does equate to racism, it was across the line and you've yet to back off from it.
dogunwo;1492509 said:I am pretty tired of hearing about Quincy Carter
Bob Sacamano;1492720 said:
CountryBoy1;1492739 said:Why are we spending any time talking about a failed player with huge character issues like Quicy? He wasn't worth talking about when he was in the league...
Quincy is still doing drugs - busted this past December...he is unable to change, so forget about him.
Charles;1492300 said:I see you've ran the Quincy Carter Gauntlet
It's amazing how folks who claim to not give a damn about Carter would waste time on this thread.
One things for sure ilovejerry, from now on everyone of your post regardless of topics, player or situation will be prefix with "he had empathy for Carter"....:
DallasEast;1492395 said:If Carter truly desired success, he would somehow find a way to bottle whatever "it" is that inspires such faithfulness in his followers. I consider myself an amateur history buff of this franchise. To the best of my knowledge, no former Cowboy player, who had as little impact on the franchise as Carter, has fostered such unwavering compassion in his continued well-being. By nature, it almost takes on the aura of a religious fervor. Maybe in a hundred years or so, the Most Holy Temple Of The Quincy may sprout throughout the land promoting happiness and well-being. The offering plate will be filled with weed for parishioners to enjoy daily sermons of, "How the Cowboys Deceived our saintly QB". These are the days all should look forward to.
Amen.
Did Carter fans block out other players' performances? I ask because the last quarterback to have true success for the Dallas Cowboys was Tony Romo.ilovejerry;1492810 said:The only reason is he was the last QB to have somewhat success,
I didn't know Carter fans knew fear..?ilovejerry;1492810 said:Theres another reason but I'm too afraid to mention it.
ilovejerry;1492810 said:Cause I don't think we could have an intelligent conversation about it without allot of innuendos
DallasEast;1492825 said:Did Carter fans block out other players' performances? I ask because the last quarterback to have true success for the Dallas Cowboys was Tony Romo.
I didn't know Carter fans knew fear..?
ilovejerry;1492810 said:The only reason is he was the last QB to have somewhat success, Theres another reason but I'm too afraid to mention it. Cause I don't think we could have an intelligent conversation about it without allot of innuendos
ilovejerry;1492887 said:I Dont know what that means. I'm not a Carter fan. So quit putting words in my mouth.
Yes True Tony Romo had SOME Success lets not put him in the HOF just yet and I dont want to hear how he went to the pro bowl, QC If Im not mistaken took us to the last run in the playoffs. Again Im not a QC fan, And Im very excited with Tony Romo and hope for the best because if he doesnt go the Cowboys dont go.
ilovejerry;1492887 said:QC If Im not mistaken took us to the last run in the playoffs.
ilovejerry;1492887 said:I Dont know what that means. I'm not a Carter fan. So quit putting words in my mouth.
Yes True Tony Romo had SOME Success lets not put him in the HOF just yet and I dont want to hear how he went to the pro bowl, QC If Im not mistaken took us to the last run in the playoffs. Again Im not a QC fan, And Im very excited with Tony Romo and hope for the best because if he doesnt go the Cowboys dont go.
BigDFan5;1492892 said:Honest answer. what do you think had more impact on us making the playoffs
Carter and his 17 TDs to 21 INTs
Or the #1 ranked defense against the #32 ranked schedule?