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BrAinPaiNt;1492510 said:
Are you saying that meriweather had no character issues and it was proven he did not have character issues?
Are you saying that you think hos is a bigot because he still believes that meriweather has character issues?

Than maybe you are blind because the man DOES have character issues.
He was involved in the brawl at that game and made a complete arse out of himself and nothing in any publication or your perceived race baiting will change the fact that he made an arse out of himself during that situation.

I think it would better off if you either dropped your bigot race baiting tactics or just flat out move on because that is not going to fly any longer.

He did look pretty mean stopping on that players head several times.....
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1492510 said:
Are you saying that meriweather had no character issues and it was proven he did not have character issues?
Are you saying that you think hos is a bigot because he still believes that meriweather has character issues?

Than maybe you are blind because the man DOES have character issues.
He was involved in the brawl at that game and made a complete arse out of himself and nothing in any publication or your perceived race baiting will change the fact that he made an arse out of himself during that situation.

I think it would better off if you either dropped your bigot race baiting tactics or just flat out move on because that is not going to fly any longer.

Please BP don't insult my intelligence.

A quick look into a valid dictionary will show that Bigot means "a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions.

In most cases it is attributed to religoius or racial prejudices, but in it's elementary form a Bigot is one who holds firm to ANY opinion or feeling even when facts are contrary to those beliefs.

Therefore, I could be a bigot for thinking that sport forums are full of fans who have nothing to do, but sit behind a computer and hack away, when in reality that is further from the truth.

Hostile held firm to his stance that Meriweather had character issues because he was involved in a gun fight and brawl on the field.

Myself and other posters presented information that showed Meriweather acted within the LAW in discharging his weapon.

Isn't acting within the LAW considered a good character trait????

In the case of the case of the brawl, in his combine interviews Meriweather was remorseful and was even quoted as saying that "as a leader I should have known better". He wrote a letter without the knowledge of his coaching staff or school to the FIU students and coaches apologizing for his actions.

Whatever happened to being caught up in the moment. Are you trying to tell me that every bad thing you've done is a complete reflection of your CHARACTER...............

All this was presented to those who jumped off the cliff and hung onto the weight put out to the public by the various draft guides and grades about Meriweather.

Our GM Jerry Jones stated he wasn't concerned about Meriweather.

The Ultimate character team drafted Meriweather.

If those character issues were legit considering the magnitude of discharging a weapon in public and stomping a player in the face do you think ANYONE would touch this kid with a 10 foot pole especially with the new Commish cracking down on REAL THUGS!!!

For some reason we want to interject Racism into my contentions. I wasn't born yesterday. I can tell the difference.

I've agreed and disagreed with Hostile on many issues. We both liked Terrell Suggs a couple of years ago. He had some character flags because of a fight prior to the draft, but Hostile knew the player being in close proximity to his college in Arizona and I also did my own background check and new it was just some old time friends looking for an easy pay day.

Bigotry does not always equate to Racist, but if you think I've crossed the line then I'll definately move on...............
 

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Charles;1492500 said:
IMHO I believed you stereotyped Brandon Meriweather. You didn't want him based on the character issues noted by draft publication grades, when presented with evidence contrary to the general sentiment that Meriweather had character issues you still held fast to your opinion.......that my friend in a nutshell is bigotry.

You can be a bigot without being a racist.

You can stereotype without being a racist.

If some reason you extrapolated racism from my contentions then get in touch with your reasoning faculties because as I meantioned above one can be a bigot and stereotyper without having racist feelings.......capiche!!!!
I am neither a bigot, nor a racist. Period. Do not push that issue with me ever again. It had damn well better be over, or you better keep it to yourself from this day forward.

I didn't stereotype Brandon Merriweather, you did. I simply said I applaud the Cowboys recent direction of drafting high character guys and avoiding guys who aren't. That doesn't make me a bigot or a racist because character is blind. People of all walks of life have it, and people of all walks of life are completely lacking in it too.

I don't care where he played football, his hair style, his music preference, his favorite pizza topping, or whether he likes the toilet paper to roll underneath instead of over the top. None of that matters to me. What does matter to me is the Dallas Cowboys and for my money, FS in the 1st was a losing play if it was someone whose character was going to be a red flag.

Period.

Based on your interpretation of various draft guides and grades (as you mention earlier in the thread) you stated you didn't want Meriweather on the team.
My opinion had nothing to do with draft guides. Not one thing. I have a mind of my own. Sorry if that offends you or disrupts your silly little fantasy, but it's just the truth. I liked players long before the draft guides ever hit the Net or the stands. I disliked some too.

Based on my knowledge of Meriweather as a high school player, collegiate player and various friends who work on sports representing agency, I knew he wasn't a bad character guy as paint by the various draft grades.

Scott Pioli who runs the most successful franchise since the 90's Cowboys must agree with my sentiments or he wouldn't waste a 1st RD pick on Meriweather.

It's not a big freaking deal. It just shows we look at things from different vantage points........capiche.......the same applies to Quincy Carter.......you see train wreck.........I see a young man making $200 a week doing what he luvs, creating a buzz and taking pictures with fans who like making funny fashion statements:p:
I honestly don't care. Like I said, he could have been the consensus #1 pick and my opinion would not have changed. I didn't want him. I have stated why on numerous occasions. I am curious how often he will come up in the future when he has absolutely no relevance to the Dallas Cowboys whatsoever.

Do you now see the relevance?
Nope. Two completely different, disjointed topics as far as I am concerned.

Who said anything about Clarett being a success story?
Neither of us. I was laughing that you would even bother to bring him up as something you were "right" about. Translation, find a better example.

You stated that I hadn't gotten anything right in the past 5 years. Well I was right prior to the draft that Clarett would be drafted on Day one. That was evidence that I had been correct within the past 5 years. At no point did I say or insinuate that it was or it was going to be a success story.
LOL

I wasn't involved in those discussions Charles. No matter how much you want to place me there. I wasn't telling you day 1 for Clarett was impossible. This is a whiff.

By the way Hosplex, I didn't associate the Clarett stuff with you, once again I used it as evidence to show that I have been right sometimes over the past 5 years.
Not in your arguments with me you haven't been, and that was my point, is my point, and has always been the point. When we have squared off it has always been about QB and I'm sorry, but you have always had the wrong opinions of what I think. You try and assign me my own thoughts and you just can't do it.

No matter how hard you try.

But but didn't you just say wearing Jersey for players that have flopped in the NFL is a funny fashion statement, then when I proceed to show you a Cowboy fan wearing a Quincy Carter No.17 jersey you decide to come up with this drivel:lmao2:

What you don't think the Cowboy's fan in the wheel chair is trying to be funny or make a funny fashion statement?
Holy cow man, that's pretty shallow of you. I'd never insult people in wheelchairs the way you just did. Nice job tough guy.

That is a good question?

Whose days were numbered?
It's real simple, what 3 QBs were on the roster in 2004? Now ask it again. Whose days were numbered? Don't make me hold your hand and walk you through it.

I apologize. My interpretation was WAY off base.
Thank you. Sincerely.

That is not true. You can't speak for everyone, but you've made a habit of being real inclusive in this thread.........."everyone can see it" "most" etc.
My apologies to "everyone" but I am going to speak for them. If Quincy Carter had turned into our equivalent of Tom Brady "everyone" would have loved him. He was never going to be that good. Shame on all of us who wanted to get better at a critical position. We should hang our head and cry.

Quincy Carter brought out the worst in Cowboy nation for and against.
No he didn't. I am sorry, but that is giving him way too much power. People went where they did of their own volition. He had nothing to do with it whatsoever.

I think everyone wanted another Staubach or Troy , but I didn't understand the reasoning behind no extending Carter the luxury of developing.
I still want that, or better if I can have it. I'm a terrible person to want my team to have the best so they can be the best.

I like Tony Romo as a QB. I liked Drew Bledsoe. I liked Drew Henson. If you think I wouldn't have traded any or all of them for Peyton Manning you're out of your ever loving mind.

QBs like Roger and Troy just don't fall into our laps, just because QBs don't live up to their status doesn't mean they can't help the Cowboys succeed. I was rabid in my defense of Carter because up until we signed Bledsoe and then Romo's emergence no other QB had played better for the Cowboys since Troy Aikman.
I don't buy this for even one minute. I really don't. Know why? Because every other player in the last 5 years has been fair game for the same criticism without the damned drama.

It was about anyone but Carter!!!!
I'm sorry, but that is just a load of crap.

And who exactly was you 1st choice a way of getting better. Drew Henson:lmao2:........A player that was so inconsistent in practice and his development that he couldn't even hold on to the back-up job when all he had to do was fend off a undrafted free agent.:lmao:
Wrong yet again Chuck-o. In 2001 when I knew we would be looking at a QB I was hoping for us to draft a guy named Drew Brees. There were QBs in that draft that I wanted nothing to do with. Carter was one of them. But if you think I wanted him to fail you're nuts.

In 2002 I admit, I was thinking Joey Harrington. I also lamented that we didn't go after Bledsoe.

In 2003 I really wanted Byron Leftwich, but I wanted Terrell Suggs even more, so I wanted Chris Simms after the 1st round.

In 2004 I threw my support behind Henson.

You're only off by 3 years and 5 guys. What does all this mean? Exactly what I have always claimed it means, I want to acquire talent at QB and every other position too. As happy as I am with Romo going into this year I still hyped John Beck in all but one of my mocks.

Translation, there's nothing at all sinister or bigoted about any of this Charles. It's about the Dallas Cowboys and putting the best 53 guys on the field every year that we possibly can, with the best 22 as starters. I'm right on some. I'm wrong on some. Wanting better is not a sin, never has been, and never should have been.

I will say it very succinctly so there is no mistaking it, IMO (mine) you guys who made it a bigger issue than people wanting to improve the team were (are) out of line. Way, way, way, out of line. That's right, I am pointing the finger of accusation right at you and your ilk. More people disliked Carter because of his fans than any ever did because of Carter himself. That is sad. The guy did not deserve that. I said it too many times to count, I don't dislike him as a person, I just want a better QB. Shame on me.
 

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It's about the Dallas Cowboys and putting the best 53 guys on the field every year that we possibly can, with the best 22 as starters.

Indeed.
 

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Charles;1492648 said:
Please BP don't insult my intelligence.

A quick look into a valid dictionary will show that Bigot means "a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions.

In most cases it is attributed to religoius or racial prejudices, but in it's elementary form a Bigot is one who holds firm to ANY opinion or feeling even when facts are contrary to those beliefs.
Uh, no it isn't. When you call someone a bigot you are implying that they hold prejudice against anyone who is outside of their own race, religion, or creed.

Therefore, I could be a bigot for thinking that sport forums are full of fans who have nothing to do, but sit behind a computer and hack away, when in reality that is further from the truth.
Uh, no you can't. That might make you stubborn about your opinion but it does NOT make you a bigot.

Hostile held firm to his stance that Meriweather had character issues because he was involved in a gun fight and brawl on the field.

Myself and other posters presented information that showed Meriweather acted within the LAW in discharging his weapon.

Isn't acting within the LAW considered a good character trait????
I repeatedly also said that I had more issues with him stomping on a player's head.

Whatever happened to being caught up in the moment. Are you trying to tell me that every bad thing you've done is a complete reflection of your CHARACTER...............
Yes, it plays a part. For everyone. If I had stomped on an opponent's head it SHOULD bring into question my character. Just like Romanowski spitting on JJ Stokes, just like Marcus Vick stomping on the Louisville DE's leg (name escapes me), just like Richie Incognito getting kicked off the Cornhuskers. Those are character issues.

For some reason we want to interject Racism into my contentions. I wasn't born yesterday. I can tell the difference.
Bigotry is associated with racism. Period.

I've agreed and disagreed with Hostile on many issues. We both liked Terrell Suggs a couple of years ago. He had some character flags because of a fight prior to the draft, but Hostile knew the player being in close proximity to his college in Arizona and I also did my own background check and new it was just some old time friends looking for an easy pay day.

Bigotry does not always equate to Racist, but if you think I've crossed the line then I'll definately move on...............
I'm sorry, but bigotry does equate to racism, it was across the line and you've yet to back off from it.
 

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Hostile;1492714 said:
I'm sorry, but bigotry does equate to racism, it was across the line and you've yet to back off from it.

Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance


For Charles...this word has all the meanings of racisim, period! And, I believe you know that, so I find it very funny that you claim that it's not...when you know it does!

Very bad...very, very bad...

:cool:
 

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Bob Sacamano;1492720 said:


We all love this poem (author unknown). It's time for a repost! :D

To the tune of "Casey at the Bat"


The outlook wasn't brilliant for the Dallas offense that day,
The score stood seventeen to fourteen with two minutes left to play,
And when Johnson dropped an errant pass, and Glenn dropped one, too,
Crankcase's fans cried "Conspiracy!", while his critics could do naught but boo,

The crowd steadily dwindled, but those who remained,
Prayed for a miracle, a freak thunderstorm with rain,
They thought, "If only Troy or Roger were here to take control,"
They had no faith in the offense with Crankcase running the show,

But Troy was in Foxboro, watching the Pats play in the snow,
Roger was running his business and watching his money grow,
So upon the remaining crowd, the pall of despair descended,
For there seemed little chance of scoring so long as the other team defended,

But Jones broke a long run, and the crowd gave a sigh,
Then Keyshawn snagged an out, though it was thrown a little high,
And when the offense huddled, and the refs had spotted the ball,
The Cowboys were past the fifty, to the amazement of all,

Then from the remaining partisans, there rose tumultous cheers,
It rumbled through Texas Stadium, and roared in Crankcase's ears,
It made his spirit soar, and it made his heart pound,
He took his place among the other greats that had also heard this sound,

Now his faced looked calm, and as he bent to take the snap,
He saw the cornerbacks playing tight, and tackles playing the gap,
He saw the linebackers playing man under, and the safeties in cover two,
He saw Glenn in the slot, and he knew what he had to do,

Crankcase gave a hard count, and the center snapped on three,
A quick playaction to Jones, and Glenn was running free,
Crankcase wound his mighty arm and let the football fly,
It sailed over Glenn's head, about five feet too high,

"Kill him! Kill Terry Glenn," cried Crankcase's loyal fan base,
And they likely would have killed him but for the look on Crankcase's face,
With a quick pat to his own chest and a friendly slap to Glenn's head,
Crankcase took the blame even though his critics were seeing red,

With a deprecating smile of humility, Crankcase's visage beamed,
And his fans knew he was not at fault, but had taken one for the team,
And as he stepped back under center, with Keyshawn to his right,
His fans remained certain that there would be a victory party that night,

The center hiked the ball, and Crankcase dropped back,
Keyshawn split the seam, and exploded through the crack,
He was streaking down the field, the corner was far behind,
But Crankcase dumped it in the flat to Anderson, the only receiver he could find,

"Coslet!" screeched Crankcase's loyal fans, too angered to clearly see,
That Mo was in the booth because Coslet was fired in Oh-Three,
But Crankcase raised his hands for quiet, and his fans applauded his aplomb,
They knew that on third and nine, Crankcase would finally launch a bomb,

Crankcase lined up in the shotgun, with Glenn and Johnson split wide,
Witten was lined up on Crankcase's left, and Jones was at his side,
The ball was snapped on a silent count as soon as the ref blew his whistle,
Glenn and Johnson streaked downfield, and Crankcase launched a missile,

Oh, somewhere in the state of Texas, there must be a happy crowd,
Somewhere fans are cheering, somewhere they are proud,
Somewhere a team has a victory, and well-earned accolades are accepted,
But that somewhere isn't Dallas, because Crankcase's pass was intercepted.



;)
 

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Why are we spending any time talking about a failed player with huge character issues like Quicy? He wasn't worth talking about when he was in the league...

Quincy is still doing drugs - busted this past December...he is unable to change, so forget about him.
 

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CountryBoy1;1492739 said:
Why are we spending any time talking about a failed player with huge character issues like Quicy? He wasn't worth talking about when he was in the league...

Quincy is still doing drugs - busted this past December...he is unable to change, so forget about him.


Where have you been? Everyone has been waiting for you to post!!

:D

:welcome:
 

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Charles;1492300 said:
I see you've ran the Quincy Carter Gauntlet:lmao2:

It's amazing how folks who claim to not give a damn about Carter would waste time on this thread.

One things for sure ilovejerry, from now on everyone of your post regardless of topics, player or situation will be prefix with "he had empathy for Carter"....:eek::


you say that like it's a bad thing.
 

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DallasEast;1492395 said:
If Carter truly desired success, he would somehow find a way to bottle whatever "it" is that inspires such faithfulness in his followers. I consider myself an amateur history buff of this franchise. To the best of my knowledge, no former Cowboy player, who had as little impact on the franchise as Carter, has fostered such unwavering compassion in his continued well-being. By nature, it almost takes on the aura of a religious fervor. Maybe in a hundred years or so, the Most Holy Temple Of The Quincy may sprout throughout the land promoting happiness and well-being. The offering plate will be filled with weed for parishioners to enjoy daily sermons of, "How the Cowboys Deceived our saintly QB". These are the days all should look forward to.

Amen.


The only reason is he was the last QB to have somewhat success, Theres another reason but I'm too afraid to mention it. Cause I don't think we could have an intelligent conversation about it without allot of innuendos
 

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ilovejerry;1492810 said:
The only reason is he was the last QB to have somewhat success,
Did Carter fans block out other players' performances? I ask because the last quarterback to have true success for the Dallas Cowboys was Tony Romo.
ilovejerry;1492810 said:
Theres another reason but I'm too afraid to mention it.
I didn't know Carter fans knew fear..?
ilovejerry;1492810 said:
Cause I don't think we could have an intelligent conversation about it without allot of innuendos
:rolleyes:
 

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DallasEast;1492825 said:
Did Carter fans block out other players' performances? I ask because the last quarterback to have true success for the Dallas Cowboys was Tony Romo.


I didn't know Carter fans knew fear..?:rolleyes:

I Dont know what that means. I'm not a Carter fan. So quit putting words in my mouth.


Yes True Tony Romo had SOME Success lets not put him in the HOF just yet and I dont want to hear how he went to the pro bowl, QC If Im not mistaken took us to the last run in the playoffs. Again Im not a QC fan, And Im very excited with Tony Romo and hope for the best because if he doesnt go the Cowboys dont go.
 

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ilovejerry;1492810 said:
The only reason is he was the last QB to have somewhat success, Theres another reason but I'm too afraid to mention it. Cause I don't think we could have an intelligent conversation about it without allot of innuendos

You are already throwing out innuendos so don't act like you are not.

Better yet just drop throwing out those innuendos.:cool:
 

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ilovejerry;1492887 said:
I Dont know what that means. I'm not a Carter fan. So quit putting words in my mouth.


Yes True Tony Romo had SOME Success lets not put him in the HOF just yet and I dont want to hear how he went to the pro bowl, QC If Im not mistaken took us to the last run in the playoffs. Again Im not a QC fan, And Im very excited with Tony Romo and hope for the best because if he doesnt go the Cowboys dont go.

Romo and Carter have won the same number of playoff games....0
 

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ilovejerry;1492887 said:
QC If Im not mistaken took us to the last run in the playoffs.


Honest answer. what do you think had more impact on us making the playoffs

Carter and his 17 TDs to 21 INTs

Or the #1 ranked defense against the #32 ranked schedule?
 

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ilovejerry;1492887 said:
I Dont know what that means. I'm not a Carter fan. So quit putting words in my mouth.


Yes True Tony Romo had SOME Success lets not put him in the HOF just yet and I dont want to hear how he went to the pro bowl, QC If Im not mistaken took us to the last run in the playoffs. Again Im not a QC fan, And Im very excited with Tony Romo and hope for the best because if he doesnt go the Cowboys dont go.

Once again Tony Romo was the last QB to lead this team to the playoffs.

So you ARE mistaken.
 

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BigDFan5;1492892 said:
Honest answer. what do you think had more impact on us making the playoffs

Carter and his 17 TDs to 21 INTs

Or the #1 ranked defense against the #32 ranked schedule?

one of the best arguments...ever
 
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