Ray Rice?

ftghb said:
Instead of going after peterson or spending a first round pick on a rb, why isn't Ray Rice a good football option? he's only 28, he can run btw the tackles, pass block and catch out of the backfield and can probably be had for less years (like 1 year), less guaranteed (like veteran's minimum) and less risk than a drafted rookie running back.

So the only thing I can see people having apprehension with is the domestic violence issue. But as far as a team that had enough faith to keep josh brent and sign greg hardy, it seems like a moot point to me. Unless it's too much baggage to handle? thoughts?
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He sucked before the "incident".
 
ftghb said:
Kinda shocked at some of the responses. He had 1500 all purpose yards the year before, from what I understand, played through a hip/quad injury. He's had a year to heal up, you don't think he's worth a looksie on a cheap contract? But most of you would rather spend a first round pick a rookie rb coming off an ACL tear? Or eat Peterson's monster salary that will likely cost picks?
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You are shocked that we don't want another player with a history of violence against women?
 
ftghb said:
Instead of going after peterson or spending a first round pick on a rb, why isn't Ray Rice a good football option? he's only 28, he can run btw the tackles, pass block and catch out of the backfield and can probably be had for less years (like 1 year), less guaranteed (like veteran's minimum) and less risk than a drafted rookie running back.

So the only thing I can see people having apprehension with is the domestic violence issue. But as far as a team that had enough faith to keep josh brent and sign greg hardy, it seems like a moot point to me. Unless it's too much baggage to handle? thoughts?
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Rice is cooked. (Somebody had to say it.) :)
 
AbeBeta said:
You are shocked that we don't want another player with a history of violence against women?
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No, it was really directed for those who felt rice had nothing left to offer. If you don't want him based on principle, that's your prerogative
 
ftghb said:
Instead of going after peterson or spending a first round pick on a rb, why isn't Ray Rice a good football option? he's only 28, he can run btw the tackles, pass block and catch out of the backfield and can probably be had for less years (like 1 year), less guaranteed (like veteran's minimum) and less risk than a drafted rookie running back.

So the only thing I can see people having apprehension with is the domestic violence issue. But as far as a team that had enough faith to keep josh brent and sign greg hardy, it seems like a moot point to me. Unless it's too much baggage to handle? thoughts?
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There is film of him slugging a woman ....... have all Cowboy fans lost their mind? No wonder every other fan base hates us.
 
Risen Star said:
This is true but we have people excited about a 3.3 yards per carry failure in Oakland. Surely we can spin something for Rice too.
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It would appear that rice has a better "stiff arm", can knock people out with it:)
 
Risen Star said:
Didn't seem to effect their other back.

Round and round we go. I refuse to make nonsense excuses for 3.3 per carry.
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It did effect their other back. Latavius Murray's production was poor once he was made the starter. It is one thing being the back up and not having to carry the load. It is another being the main guy. Oakland running game did not fair well with either McFadden or Murray as the starting running back.
 
This isn't the old Ray Rice. He has been on a steady decline even before he got suspended. Not worth it.
 
ftghb said:
No, it was really directed for those who felt rice had nothing left to offer. If you don't want him based on principle, that's your prerogative
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He doesn't have anything left. That's why it was easy for Baltimore to cut bait.
 
joseephuss said:
It did effect their other back. Latavius Murray's production was poor once he was made the starter. It is one thing being the back up and not having to carry the load. It is another being the main guy. Oakland running game did not fair well with either McFadden or Murray as the starting running back.
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But McFadden was the least productive.

I can't believe I have to actually defend not wanting a 3.3 yards per carry bust. If I suggested this move in January it would be universally panned.
 
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Risen Star said:
But McFadden was the least productive.

I can't believe I have to actually defend not wanting a 3.3 yards per carry bust. If I suggested this move in January it would be universally panned.
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Odds are you will be right.

I just think McFadden will be a playmaker in Dallas.

I don't see him as a bust and the Oakland factor is real. You'll see.

That guy is too big strong and fast to be so average.
 
zrinkill said:
There is film of him slugging a woman ....... have all Cowboy fans lost their mind? No wonder every other fan base hates us.
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I'm pretty sure most every fanbase hates every other fanbase. Then you start having weird cognitive dissonance like liking Cowboys fans but hating Mavs fans. Xenophobia is typical in groupthink.

Harvey Martin was convicted of assault including the felony kind. Demetrius Underwood and Alonzo Spellman were schizophrenic and were found aggressive vagrant in the streets when not medicated. Haley was a well known sociopath. That whole 90s team was known for soliciting illegal prostitution, drugs and similar exploitation. Tuinei robbed a tourist. There is a whole bevy of assaults over the years. Most recent I can think of is drunk Melton biting a bouncer while being bounced. Keith Davis was involved in multiple shootings.

But you draw the line at assault on women. I'm ready to move out of the era of fake chivalry and into one of actual equality.

And you really are doing a disservice to Mrs. Rice. While Holder apparently dug gold so who cares what she thinks or wants, Mrs. Rice and her family are being punished because of your intolerance.

That is one thing that Charlotte Jones kept on reiterating in her interview regarding this topic, all of the various experts they brought into the NFL panel said your position is the one that has the highest rate of recidivism. OTOH, if you give a man a path to redemption, you have a chance at something better. It's a common ethic at least in this country and much of the west. That is the Cowboy way.
 
ftghb said:
Kinda shocked at some of the responses. He had 1500 all purpose yards the year before, from what I understand, played through a hip/quad injury. He's had a year to heal up, you don't think he's worth a looksie on a cheap contract? But most of you would rather spend a first round pick a rookie rb coming off an ACL tear? Or eat Peterson's monster salary that will likely cost picks?
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He had a hip injury that he played through in 2013. They also lost Birk that year and started flipping tackles when Oher started playing like poo.

That being said he was pretty awful in the first half of that season even if he did get better in the second half of the year.

I don't hate the idea as he has a good chance to help an NFL team but he does seem redundant in the veteran reclamation project department with DMC and Williams already on the roster.
 
Risen Star said:
But McFadden was the least productive.

I can't believe I have to actually defend not wanting a 3.3 yards per carry bust. If I suggested this move in January it would be universally panned.
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I don't care if you defend, but bring up better examples.
 
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