Really bad story on Gregory

Fritsch_the_cat

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Well, I'm not surprised someone wants to punch Charles Haley.

Sadly, Gregory appears to be another Leon Lett, without the talent or production.
 

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This. Just shows how much the fanbase was invested in him, despite the clouded and veiled insults. All the responses are thinly veiled criticisms hidden behind great disappointment and expectations.

Everyone had hope for him and he let a lot of folks down -- on an antiquated, out-of-date marijuana policy. It is what it is, he should have known that good ol' boys run the league, and therefor abstained from the weed. He let weed, perhaps, ruin his promising career. Sad that some damn weed can do this to a player of his potential in the 21st century. Shades of 20th century prohibition and the WCTU.

And you folks that knee-jerk reply to me, read my post carefully so that I don't have to repeat the same thing over and over again.
Well said indeed Sir :bow::bow::bow::bow::bow:Lessons not well learned are soon forgotten.
 

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If I'm not mistaken, Gregory is also bipolar so he could learn a lot from a man who has learned how to live with his demons, plays the same position, wore the same number for the same team. It's totally logical for Haley to want to help him. He probably sees himself in the troubled young man.
Can you imagine the two of them living in the same house?!?!

Could be a new reality series.
 

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White playing size 6'4 258

Haley playing size 6'6 255

Randy Gregory 6'6 240

If you want an argument for why Haley was flattened, size isn't your arguement, Haley was **** faced.

Gregory is quicker than both and would have both of their hands full in a fight during their primes. A sober Haley goes berserk and rips them both to shreds, imo.
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Haley isn't everyone's cup of tea. Not sure I would listen to him outside of football technique advice. And even then, I would likely reach out to DWare or any other great pass rusher in NFL history. Just because Haley is a former Cowboys player doesn't mean I need to be his friend or take his advice. People would be happy if this was the same story about Dez rejecting TO's advice.
 

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Haley isn't everyone's cup of tea. Not sure I would listen to him outside of football technique advice. And even then, I would likely reach out to DWare or any other great pass rusher in NFL history. Just because Haley is a former Cowboys player doesn't mean I need to be his friend or take his advice. People would be happy if this was the same story about Dez rejecting TO's advice.
Well said my friend.
 

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Everyone had hope for him and he let a lot of folks down -- on an antiquated, out-of-date marijuana policy. It is what it is, he should have known that good ol' boys run the league, and therefor abstained from the weed. He let weed, perhaps, ruin his promising career. Sad that some damn weed can do this to a player of his potential in the 21st century. Shades of 20th century prohibition and the WCTU.

Completely disagree. On a number of counts.

First, his issue goes beyond an "antiquated, out-of-date marijuana policy". First, use of the drug recreationally is illegal in the overwhelming majority of the states in the country. Having a policy against the use of a drug that brings criminal charges if busted is not a problem. In fact, it's the right thing to do. The NFL's policy allows you to fail three tests before it impacts a player financially, and four before it impacts playing time - re: eligibility. The reasoning is to create programs to rehab players without immediately casting them aside. It certainly isn't the industry standard around the country to be lenient for failures of drug tests. At the places where I work/have worked, if I failed the drug test coming in, I would not have been hired.

The larger issue is not something as narrow as the policy. The issue with Gregory is one of an inability to follow rules and an inability to discipline himself. The policy, at its core, is a simple rule of the workplace. In the NFL, so long as you aren't in the system, you are subject to one test per year, which is done during the time between the draft and the first minicamp. This test is known as the Idiot Test. You literally have to stay clean for one month, then you can smoke up all of Jamaica once you have taken the test. All you have to do is be disciplined, and it can be done. Gregory couldn't do this before he was drafted, and he didn't have money at stake. What would make anyone think that he would suddenly end up disciplined when he wasn't before he got the paycheck?

If you can't follow the rules, you end up firing yourself.
 

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Charles Haley isn't one to judge.

That guy is one of the sickest people that ever walked Valley Ranch. Those stories about Haley.........sheesh.

I don't think he's judging. I think he's giving us an indication of where Gregory actually is in his "recovery." Haley understands because he's been there. And even he said you couldn't tell him anything because he wouldn't listen. Gregory seems to be at that stage and, maybe, he'll have to hit rock bottom before he decides to finally turn his life around.

I was really hoping Gregory could get his act together. I wanted to believe him on draft day. But it's EXTREMELY hard to break habits.

I can understand wanting to help him now that he is a Cowboy, but I hope the Cowboys and Jerry Jones have learned a lesson: No more players with pot problems, drug problems, alcohol problems and guys who go around beating up on women.
 

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Completely disagree. On a number of counts.

First, his issue goes beyond an "antiquated, out-of-date marijuana policy". First, use of the drug recreationally is illegal in the overwhelming majority of the states in the country. Having a policy against the use of a drug that brings criminal charges if busted is not a problem. In fact, it's the right thing to do. The NFL's policy allows you to fail three tests before it impacts a player financially, and four before it impacts playing time - re: eligibility. The reasoning is to create programs to rehab players without immediately casting them aside. It certainly isn't the industry standard around the country to be lenient for failures of drug tests. At the places where I work/have worked, if I failed the drug test coming in, I would not have been hired.

The larger issue is not something as narrow as the policy. The issue with Gregory is one of an inability to follow rules and an inability to discipline himself. The policy, at its core, is a simple rule of the workplace. In the NFL, so long as you aren't in the system, you are subject to one test per year, which is done during the time between the draft and the first minicamp. This test is known as the Idiot Test. You literally have to stay clean for one month, then you can smoke up all of Jamaica once you have taken the test. All you have to do is be disciplined, and it can be done. Gregory couldn't do this before he was drafted, and he didn't have money at stake. What would make anyone think that he would suddenly end up disciplined when he wasn't before he got the paycheck?

If you can't follow the rules, you end up firing yourself.

Very good synopsis.
 
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