Twitter: Referee Brad Allen on the 2 point conversion Illegal Touch call

[thunderpimp91]

Yeah the outrage over this play is ridiculous. If the refs never announced that decker was eligible then he isn’t eligible. No wonder he was wide open, it’s because no one accounted for him as a receiver because everyone thought he wasn’t an eligible receiver.

Plus the lions had three players talking to the refs, they can’t all be eligible.

Total mistake by Detroit trying to be cute and it backfired.

As the OP mentioned as well even if the lions declared decker eligible you still had the other penalty.

I just don’t see an argument here for anyone to be upset about.

 

[FVSTONE]

,,, and then Micah turns around and gives them the penalty yardage back so they basically get a "redo".

The one trick pony almost cost the Cowboys the game for his stupidity!

 

[JBS]

They're so fixated on eligibility, that there was a second flag for lining up.

You obviously don’t understand what you are reading if you are taking about the second flag. There is no second flag if the ref gets the correct player eligible

 

[tm1119]

So, um, the focus seems to be did he report or not. But look at how they lined up. Even if Decker had reported, he was COVERED UP on the LOS by the guy standing next to him on his left. That makes him ineligible. Unless you are in the slot, meaning a step back from the LOS, only the guys in the backfield and the guys on the END of the LOS are eligible. So, as they lined up, Decker was NOT eligible. And even after the shift, he was still covered up, thus not eligible. The really funny part is that they had FOUR guys on the right side of the OL and ALL of them were ineligible due to the guy to the right not being off the LOS enough. So on this play, Detroit only had three eligible guys. The guy on the left, the guy on the right, and the RB.

The WR to Decker’s left was off the LOS tho. And the right side of the line was fine as well. There was no illegal formation.

 

[JBS]

Yeah the outrage over this play is ridiculous. If the refs never announced that decker was eligible then he isn’t eligible. No wonder he was wide open, it’s because no one accounted for him as a receiver because everyone thought he wasn’t an eligible receiver.

Plus the lions had three players talking to the refs, they can’t all be eligible.

Total mistake by Detroit trying to be cute and it backfired.

As the OP mentioned as well even if the lions declared decker eligible you still had the other penalty.

I just don’t see an argument here for anyone to be upset about.

Wrong - there is no second flag if the right player is eligible

And if you actually watch the play design. I bet decker is still wide open if 68 is declared eligible

It you want to argue the hendershot penalty - now we are talking

 

[DuncanIso]

Both reported? I think you can only have 1 report. According to Dan Campbell.

I don’t think their is a limit in the rule book.

Both checked in.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Second flag is also about flubbing the eligibility. One flag was for illegal touching, the other for illegal formation; both dependent on 68 not reporting as eligible

 

[DUO_CORE]

This is nothing more than a he said/he said.

 

[McKDaddy]

I don’t care if they tried to be sneaky, if the refs designated the wrong player the refs designated the wrong player.

Who knows what was heard but 68 was sent to declare by Goff and is standing right there with the ref. Hard to imagine he didn’t attempt to. My guess is the official misattributed it to 70.

It's amazing how many people want to just ignore that the only logical conclusion is that Decker reported & ref botched the numbers.

 

[blueblood70]

Thread Title Edit: Brad Allen*

*** there were two flags on the play the Cowboys would have accepted either one of them the play still never happens the two points was called back by two penalties... So if you wanna take out the fact that maybe the refs didn't hear 68 didn't get that right they still had an illegal formation call on the same play that would have been accepted the play still doesn't happen..
Be sure why everyone's arguing debating this all day that you remember there were two flags thrown on that same play it would have been called back anyway you can't have two players report as eligible and then line up one of them as if he's still just playing tackle I'm not a referee I don't know the rules but that did happen and it's being selectively left out of all the conversations**** #68 poor Detroit Lions they got screwed no there were two penalties on the play...
The best thing that was said after the game is the lions fooled themselves they confuse the referees they did not report properly because #70 lined up in his regular position and it wasn't illegal formation that's the end of this mess there were a lot of other calls and a lot of games this year where the Cowboys did not get the benefit.
I mean go back to the Arizona cardinal game when Michael gallop was clearly interfered with the referees agree dropped the flag decided to pick up the flag imagine if that would have been first in goal at the one we probably score on that drive then that interception doesn't happen afterwards we probably win that Arizona game ... Let's go to the Philadelphia game in Philadelphia we don't get the pass interference call the guys getting mugged screen makers on the 1 inch line we get that call we probably win that game.. How about the Buffalo game how that started with three penalties all 15 yarders two of them were very Gray areas and all the holes in the Miami game against Parsons who didn't get one flag hasn't had a flag dropped on him in like 2 months and he's being held a lot so much so it's becoming a big story... And then you have that Micah Parsons roughing the passer onto A and everyone can keep watching that it didn't happen and all the holes on him that game and how about CD lamb's pants being pulled off in the end zone that was not called also in the Miami game...

Those are just the ones off the top of my head and people can remember some that could have cost us some games so right now you are who you are where 11 and five have a chance to have our third twelve and five season in a row and people are still crying about time management in all this other nonsense but really you can't have CD Lamb fumble that ball out of the back of the end zone and the interception we can blame Prescott all we want he threw CD Lam a 5050 ball they do it all the time in the NFL he went up for the ball as if he didn't even feel the corner right there because if he did all he had to do is knock the ball down or just grab the receiver and pull him out of bounds he would have never been able to complete that catch I mean knocked the damn ball down so it's great to see the lamb was you didn't add that to your list Mr. original poster city lamb may have had 13 catches for 227 yards but he was also part of two very negative plays...


so in the end we won the damn game and that's all that matters there is no controversy there were two flags Dan Campbell should have kicked the extra point we should have went in the overtime that's it

 

[blueblood70]

The WR to Decker’s left was off the LOS tho. And the right side of the line was fine as well. There was no illegal formation.

I'm sorry but it was because of the mess of the way they reported and didn't report there were two flagstone on the play I saw it do you wanna go back and watch it even if they would have waved off 68 as eligible they had an illegal formation called one way or the other that was a dead play whether you think it was right or not I'm not doing this all day we won the damn game and we finally on the other side of one of these controversial plays that'll be talked about for a decade we usually don't get those....
*** there were two flags on the play the Cowboys would have accepted either one of them the play still never happens the two points was called back by two penalties... So if you wanna take out the fact that maybe the refs didn't hear 68 didn't get that right they still had an illegal formation call on the same play that would have been accepted the play still doesn't happen..
Be sure why everyone's arguing debating this all day that you remember there were two flags thrown on that same play it would have been called back anyway you can't have two players report as eligible and then line up one of them as if he's still just playing tackle I'm not a referee I don't know the rules but that did happen and it's being selectively left out of all the conversations**** #68 poor Detroit Lions they got screwed no there were two penalties on the play...
The best thing that was said after the game is the lions fooled themselves they confuse the referees they did not report properly because #70 lined up in his regular position and it wasn't illegal formation that's the end of this mess there were a lot of other calls and a lot of games this year where the Cowboys did not get the benefit.
I mean go back to the Arizona cardinal game when Michael gallop was clearly interfered with the referees agree dropped the flag decided to pick up the flag imagine if that would have been first in goal at the one we probably score on that drive then that interception doesn't happen afterwards we probably win that Arizona game ... Let's go to the Philadelphia game in Philadelphia we don't get the pass interference call the guys getting mugged screen makers on the 1 inch line we get that call we probably win that game.. How about the Buffalo game how that started with three penalties all 15 yarders two of them were very Gray areas and all the holes in the Miami game against Parsons who didn't get one flag hasn't had a flag dropped on him in like 2 months and he's being held a lot so much so it's becoming a big story... And then you have that Micah Parsons roughing the passer onto A and everyone can keep watching that it didn't happen and all the holes on him that game and how about CD lamb's pants being pulled off in the end zone that was not called also in the Miami game...

Those are just the ones off the top of my head and people can remember some that could have cost us some games so right now you are who you are where 11 and five have a chance to have our third twelve and five season in a row and people are still crying about time management in all this other nonsense but really you can't have CD Lamb fumble that ball out of the back of the end zone and the interception we can blame Prescott all we want he threw CD Lam a 5050 ball they do it all the time in the NFL he went up for the ball as if he didn't even feel the corner right there because if he did all he had to do is knock the ball down or just grab the receiver and pull him out of bounds he would have never been able to complete that catch I mean knocked the damn ball down so it's great to see the lamb was you didn't add that to your list Mr. original poster city lamb may have had 13 catches for 227 yards but he was also part of two very negative plays...


so in the end we won the damn game and that's all that matters there is no controversy there were two flags Dan Campbell should have kicked the extra point we should have went in the overtime that's it

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

As I posted in another thread, the problem is the Lions were trying to be sneaky about it, which places the blame squarely on them.

They wanted to be as quiet about it as possible to sneak it by the Cowboys defense and in doing so they snuck it by the referee as well.

The thing no one is talking about is that the Cowboys defense were not told he was eligible, which is likely why the play actually worked as no one on the defense was expecting him to run a route.

Where are you getting the Cowboys were not told?

You saw the ref walk up to the line and appears to say something in earshot of Gholston and Micah?

 

[blueblood70]

As I posted in another thread, the problem is the Lions were trying to be sneaky about it, which places the blame squarely on them.

They wanted to be as quiet about it as possible to sneak it by the Cowboys defense and in doing so they snuck it by the referee as well.

The thing no one is talking about is that the Cowboys defense were not told he was eligible, which is likely why the play actually worked as no one on the defense was expecting him to run a route.

Correct there were two penalties on the play anyway it doesn't matter to me the play was dead everyone's just gonna talk about the 68 reporting and not reporting they called also there was a second flag for an illegal formation either way it was gonna be a dead play this is on Dan for not kicking the extra point and sending this into overtime the man was stubborn we wouldn't be talking about this right now we'd be talking about how Prescott led his team down and won in overtime that's what I felt would have happened anyway he was scared because he knew the Cowboys were moving the ball really easily

which by the way brings me back to Dan Quinn's soft prevent defense that created this whole problem in the first place I mean that can't happen he should have just remained in his normal defense that was playing well at the moment and then just goes into that let the tight end just easily walk down the field again..

And you are correct the Cowboys defense needs to be alerted that 68 and or 70 were gonna be actual receiving eligible players and they were not therefore it's a broken play in the first place..
*** there were two flags on the play the Cowboys would have accepted either one of them the play still never happens the two points was called back by two penalties... So if you wanna take out the fact that maybe the refs didn't hear 68 didn't get that right they still had an illegal formation call on the same play that would have been accepted the play still doesn't happen..
Be sure why everyone's arguing debating this all day that you remember there were two flags thrown on that same play it would have been called back anyway you can't have two players report as eligible and then line up one of them as if he's still just playing tackle I'm not a referee I don't know the rules but that did happen and it's being selectively left out of all the conversations**** #68 poor Detroit Lions they got screwed no there were two penalties on the play...
The best thing that was said after the game is the lions fooled themselves they confuse the referees they did not report properly because #70 lined up in his regular position and it wasn't illegal formation that's the end of this mess there were a lot of other calls and a lot of games this year where the Cowboys did not get the benefit.
I mean go back to the Arizona cardinal game when Michael gallop was clearly interfered with the referees agree dropped the flag decided to pick up the flag imagine if that would have been first in goal at the one we probably score on that drive then that interception doesn't happen afterwards we probably win that Arizona game ... Let's go to the Philadelphia game in Philadelphia we don't get the pass interference call the guys getting mugged screen makers on the 1 inch line we get that call we probably win that game.. How about the Buffalo game how that started with three penalties all 15 yarders two of them were very Gray areas and all the holes in the Miami game against Parsons who didn't get one flag hasn't had a flag dropped on him in like 2 months and he's being held a lot so much so it's becoming a big story... And then you have that Micah Parsons roughing the passer onto A and everyone can keep watching that it didn't happen and all the holes on him that game and how about CD lamb's pants being pulled off in the end zone that was not called also in the Miami game...

Those are just the ones off the top of my head and people can remember some that could have cost us some games so right now you are who you are where 11 and five have a chance to have our third twelve and five season in a row and people are still crying about time management in all this other nonsense but really you can't have CD Lamb fumble that ball out of the back of the end zone and the interception we can blame Prescott all we want he threw CD Lam a 5050 ball they do it all the time in the NFL he went up for the ball as if he didn't even feel the corner right there because if he did all he had to do is knock the ball down or just grab the receiver and pull him out of bounds he would have never been able to complete that catch I mean knocked the damn ball down so it's great to see the lamb was you didn't add that to your list Mr. original poster city lamb may have had 13 catches for 227 yards but he was also part of two very negative plays...


so in the end we won the damn game and that's all that matters there is no controversy there were two flags Dan Campbell should have kicked the extra point we should have went in the overtime that's it

 

[Vandyr]

Here's an article where he is quoted ..
https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/goff-lions-lose-on-dubious-call

"I do know that Decker reported."​

​

That is a postgame quote from Lions quarterback and former Cal star Jared Goff.​

​

Taylor Decker later said the same thing, that he reported. "Went to the ref, said, 'Report,'" Decker said.​

I mean, you can see him run up to the ref to report

 

[tm1119]

I'm sorry but it was because of the mess of the way they reported and didn't report there were two flagstone on the play I saw it do you wanna go back and watch it even if they would have waved off 68 as eligible they had an illegal formation called one way or the other that was a dead play whether you think it was right or not I'm not doing this all day we won the damn game and we finally on the other side of one of these controversial plays that'll be talked about for a decade we usually don't get those....
*** there were two flags on the play the Cowboys would have accepted either one of them the play still never happens the two points was called back by two penalties... So if you wanna take out the fact that maybe the refs didn't hear 68 didn't get that right they still had an illegal formation call on the same play that would have been accepted the play still doesn't happen..
Be sure why everyone's arguing debating this all day that you remember there were two flags thrown on that same play it would have been called back anyway you can't have two players report as eligible and then line up one of them as if he's still just playing tackle I'm not a referee I don't know the rules but that did happen and it's being selectively left out of all the conversations**** #68 poor Detroit Lions they got screwed no there were two penalties on the play...
The best thing that was said after the game is the lions fooled themselves they confuse the referees they did not report properly because #70 lined up in his regular position and it wasn't illegal formation that's the end of this mess there were a lot of other calls and a lot of games this year where the Cowboys did not get the benefit.
I mean go back to the Arizona cardinal game when Michael gallop was clearly interfered with the referees agree dropped the flag decided to pick up the flag imagine if that would have been first in goal at the one we probably score on that drive then that interception doesn't happen afterwards we probably win that Arizona game ... Let's go to the Philadelphia game in Philadelphia we don't get the pass interference call the guys getting mugged screen makers on the 1 inch line we get that call we probably win that game.. How about the Buffalo game how that started with three penalties all 15 yarders two of them were very Gray areas and all the holes in the Miami game against Parsons who didn't get one flag hasn't had a flag dropped on him in like 2 months and he's being held a lot so much so it's becoming a big story... And then you have that Micah Parsons roughing the passer onto A and everyone can keep watching that it didn't happen and all the holes on him that game and how about CD lamb's pants being pulled off in the end zone that was not called also in the Miami game...

Those are just the ones off the top of my head and people can remember some that could have cost us some games so right now you are who you are where 11 and five have a chance to have our third twelve and five season in a row and people are still crying about time management in all this other nonsense but really you can't have CD Lamb fumble that ball out of the back of the end zone and the interception we can blame Prescott all we want he threw CD Lam a 5050 ball they do it all the time in the NFL he went up for the ball as if he didn't even feel the corner right there because if he did all he had to do is knock the ball down or just grab the receiver and pull him out of bounds he would have never been able to complete that catch I mean knocked the damn ball down so it's great to see the lamb was you didn't add that to your list Mr. original poster city lamb may have had 13 catches for 227 yards but he was also part of two very negative plays...


so in the end we won the damn game and that's all that matters there is no controversy there were two flags Dan Campbell should have kicked the extra point we should have went in the overtime that's it

There was no 2nd penalty either. The formation was not illegal. The refs botched it.

As far as the other calls throughout the game…that’s football. You could do that for every game ever played. Bottom line is that the refs got confused and screwed up a crucial game winning play.

Obviously I’ll take it as a Cowboys fan and not going to complain…but it’s def hard to justify the officiating on that play.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

I just wish I could step into the alternate reality where it was US down by 1, and then making this exact same play identical in every single way, and having that call negate the 2pts we just miraculously scored....causing us to lose the game.

LOL...how I wish I could just peek my end into that dimension just for 3 minutes, and read the posts in here the morning after we lost THAT game on THAT call.

There would be 30,000 threads calling the NFL rigged with irrefutable proof that the call was incorrect....and not one poster would be saying "you know guys....I think from everything I'm seeing that was the correct call and we deserved to lose".

I'm glad THE REFS helped us out. .... but boy oh boy do I wish I could see that!

(Que the 50 replies of "but the refs didn't help us out" LOL so predictable

 

[DallasInDC]

They're so fixated on eligibility, that there was a second flag for lining up.

Anybody watching the talking heads this morning? Are they still holding onto the narrative that the Lions were robbed and The Cowboys didn't deserve to win... or are they starting to tell the whole story... including the tripping call that put them in the situation in the first place.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Anybody watching the talking heads this morning? Are they still holding onto the narrative that the Lions were robbed and The Cowboys didn't deserve to win... or are they starting to tell the whole story... including the tripping call that put them in the situation in the first place.

That exert there you posted....isn't that from the very ref that made the call most people (outside of this forum) are saying is a mistake?

I'm having a hard time seeing it...but that looks like Brad Allen's quotes. Is Brad Allen thebref that made the call?

 

[blueblood70]

There was no 2nd penalty either. The formation was not illegal. The refs botched it.

As far as the other calls throughout the game…that’s football. You could do that for every game ever played. Bottom line is that the refs got confused and screwed up a crucial game winning play.

Obviously I’ll take it as a Cowboys fan and not going to complain…but it’s def hard to justify the officiating on that play.

Literally, in the game they threw two flags on the play even the referee explained there wasn't illegal formation...

so I don't know what you were watching or listening to but in the game flow in real time there were two flags called for that play!!

I'm sorry that you think there wasn't but we could just go back all day and do it you really want to do this I mean are you a ******* lions fan coming in here and crying are you a Cowboys fan mad that we got the win finally because the tripping call was bogus on hendershot... There was no tripping call.. Literally actually the lions team we're the ones sticking her legs out trying to trip Tony Pollard and then somehow our player gets flagged for it you want to talk about that or you want to talk about all the flags we didn't get throughout the year like in the Philadelphia game we got screwed out of that win we got screwed in Arizona with the Michael Gallup pass interference I mean hell in the Miami game I mean roughing the passer on that was not roughing the passer on Parsons and the CD lamb getting his pants pulled off!!!!

i mean you want to do this all day we could do this all day on the what we have to do is be realistic this is a win leave it there...

the res been doing this at teams all year but we can go back in this game and pick apart non calls or bad calls that went against the Boys... in this game and all the other ones. literally if that tripping call does not get called we are running out the clock on the ground and the lions would have never had the last drive.. i bet for some reason you don't want to shift it to that convo as you lie over focusing on this one 2 point issue..

its over its win moving onto Washington.

 

[Creeper]

As I posted in another thread, the problem is the Lions were trying to be sneaky about it, which places the blame squarely on them.

They wanted to be as quiet about it as possible to sneak it by the Cowboys defense and in doing so they snuck it by the referee as well.

The thing no one is talking about is that the Cowboys defense were not told he was eligible, which is likely why the play actually worked as no one on the defense was expecting him to run a route.

There is no doubt that the Lions sent 3 linemen to the refs to deceive Dallas, but in doing so they was making the refs part of the deception. Why should the refs participate in a ruse like that? I have no idea if the refs had announced 68 as eligible would the Cowboys have stopped the play. The didn';t stop anything on that entire drive.