Rev. Al, Russell Simmons, PETA add their two cents on Vick...

[jay cee]

I like dogs, and I think puppies are adorable, yada yada yada...

but do you find it odd that we are outraged that someone could do this to animals we consider pets - but we don't care what people do to our food before we get that hamburger or veal? I realize the difference between entertainment and food - but it's cruel either way, and both are techncally unecessary.

I mean, technically, isn't horse racing pretty cruel in the name of entertainment? Circuses? I don't know. I can see where people would say "it's just a dog". Why do we determine that it is fine for us to dominate one kind of animal but live in partnership with another?

I think if people really think on that for a while, they can acknowledge that the line is at least a little blurry.

Good point, and what about hunting for sport. If the guy was going around the world blasting lions and tigers. Most wouldn't have a problem with it.

It's funny how people sensibilities work. I think hunting is just as disgusting as dogfighting myself.

 

[Concord]

I think hunting is just as disgusting as dogfighting myself.

Me Too.

 

[DallasEast]

Good point, and what about hunting for sport. If the guy was going around the world blasting lions and tigers. Most wouldn't have a problem with it.

It's funny how people sensibilities work. I think hunting is just as disgusting as dogfighting myself.

I've never been against hunting or fishing out of necessity. Some people have to do one or both so that they can feed themselves and/or their families. It's hunting or fishing when you don't have to which I disagree with. If the option of buying food exists for you and it's not a true burden to do so, then hunting or fishing essentially becomes a luxury indulgence which 'justifies' killing for sport only.

 

[Established1971]

Anyone who writes a joint letter with PETA has to be an idiot...

even, though, in this case, they are correct...[/QUOTE

dont agree

 

[jay cee]

I've never been against hunting or fishing out of necessity. Some people have to do one or both so that they can feed themselves and/or their families. It's hunting or fishing when you don't have to which I disagree with. If the option of buying food exists for you and it's not a true burden to do so, then hunting or fishing essentially becomes a luxury indulgence which 'justifies' killing for sport only.

I know, I can somewhat accept those that at least hunt prey animals so they can eat what they kill, but to just kill for the fun of it, man I don't get the attraction.

 

[Doomsday101]

I know, I can somewhat accept those that at least hunt prey animals so they can eat what they kill, but to just kill for the fun of it, man I don't get the attraction.

I agree. I think as long as the hunter or fisherman is obeying the laws there is nothing wrong or cruel in what they are doing. I clearly do not see the comparison of this and dog fighting.

 

[Hostile]

Can you imagine if you are a player on the Falcons looking ahead to this year? Every question from the media is going to be about this. You're going to hear boos in your own stadium. Imagine what it's going to be like in other stadiums. Imagine the signs you're going to see. Imagine the picket lines by PETA and the Humane Society in every city. I can almost imagine the turmoil of whether you go to Bobby Petrino and ask him to remove the albatross so the team can go on. Or I can imagine actually hoping for the Commissioner to act and suspend him. Being an Atlanta Falcons player in 2007 is going to suck if Vick is allowed to play.

 

[dogunwo]

I like dogs, and I think puppies are adorable, yada yada yada...

but do you find it odd that we are outraged that someone could do this to animals we consider pets - but we don't care what people do to our food before we get that hamburger or veal? I realize the difference between entertainment and food - but it's cruel either way, and both are techncally unecessary.

I mean, technically, isn't horse racing pretty cruel in the name of entertainment? Circuses? I don't know. I can see where people would say "it's just a dog". Why do we determine that it is fine for us to dominate one kind of animal but live in partnership with another?

I think if people really think on that for a while, they can acknowledge that the line is at least a little blurry.

On the same lines, I never understood why hunting for sport is so widely accepted. Isnt that fundamentally the same thing? The opponents of those who say its the same as boxing, say the animals dont have a choice. Well, they dont have a choice in being hunted for entertainment either. I find hunting and dogfighting both despicable.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The Sharpton thing is funny b/c another poster railed against him yesterday with regards to how Al would come out to defend Vick at any moment.

Personally, I can't stand Sharpton. I believe he is a masked jackel hiding his real agenda (fame and fortune) behind "protecting the public". One thing he wouldn't do is protect Vick. If anything he just wouldn't say anything and stay beneath the radar. In this case that wouldn't happen as the media has been probing him for comment on the Vick story. To keep up his charade, he has no choice but to condemn Vick publicly.

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

Originally Posted by burmafrd
I cannot find myself agreeing with PETA without wanting to truly hurl.
But their point about those who are cruel to animals being risks to others is borne out by studies on serial killers. Virtually every one of them were cruel to animals. In many cases what they did to animals as kids they did to people as adults.

This is the leap in faith I find crazy. Plenty of little boys have done something to an animal. It's called being a little boy. Many people are cruel to animals, to say someone who is cruel to animals has anything to do with psychotics is just plain wrong and over the top.

Micheal Vick, if found guilty should be punished okay. Just getting that out of the way because I know what's coming. It is a crime and if convicted he should be punished. But, Looking at some of the post as well as some of the other things I have read on this matter, let's just say it is eye opening.

He has NO Prior convictions, and In our judicial system they use it. They use it to give repeat offender's more time. They use it to give Good people who do stupid things and get caught up Probabtion. Some people with the Blood lust for Vick's head may not like it but that is what it is.

And yes, I know it is popular to say the whole (Gagging) animals are people too stuff is the new elightened badge of honor but Yes, like it or not, fact is we are talking about DOGS here. People get less for killing humans under the right circumstances. Again Dog fighting is stupid, It is cruel and personally I think the dude needs to get over the whole culture and everyting attached to it. But it is what it is. It goes on Nationwide and People get caught and do not spend jail time, they do not loose their jobs. They loose their animals and pay fines.

Just because Vick can afford it and would not Die and Go away like many would like Does not change anything. The punishment should fit the crime.

Rats are animals-killed with impunity
alligators are animals- Killed for shoes
Seals are animals-killed for vanity
Minks are animals- killed So wealthy men can have sex
Chimpanzees are animals- killed to satisfy mans curiosity about everything form asprin ingestion to nuclear exposure

On and On ...

I disagree with P.E.T.A but I can at least respect them. They are outraged about all animal cruelty. The newfound Dog lovers I find hyporcritical.

As an aside I want to see some of the takes the next time a kid is mauled to death by one of these Gentle, Loving, Wise, Magestic creatures, for no other reason than the kid was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I love my dog but I realize that it is an animal.

 

[AbeBeta]

Personally, I can't stand Sharpton. I believe he is a masked jackel hiding his real agenda (fame and fortune) behind "protecting the public". One thing he wouldn't do is protect Vick. If anything he just wouldn't say anything and stay beneath the radar. In this case that wouldn't happen as the media has been probing him for comment on the Vick story. To keep up his charade, he has no choice but to condemn Vick publicly.

Usually when people have to twist and turn to interpret someone's actions -- e.g., he doesn't REALLY believe this he's just saying it to promote agenda X instead of image Y -- it suggests too much of a stretch.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Usually when people have to twist and turn to interpret someone's actions -- e.g., he doesn't REALLY believe this he's just saying it to promote agenda X instead of image Y -- it suggests too much of a stretch.

To much ambiguity in your statement. I don't know if you're agreeing with me or declaring what I said a stretch.

 

[peplaw06]

I've never been against hunting or fishing out of necessity. Some people have to do one or both so that they can feed themselves and/or their families. It's hunting or fishing when you don't have to which I disagree with. If the option of buying food exists for you and it's not a true burden to do so, then hunting or fishing essentially becomes a luxury indulgence which 'justifies' killing for sport only.

Which leads me to my original question.... What do necessary mean?

If you go fishing for sport, and release your catch, is that inhumane?

 

[DallasEast]

Can you imagine if you are a player on the Falcons looking ahead to this year? Every question from the media is going to be about this. You're going to hear boos in your own stadium. Imagine what it's going to be like in other stadiums. Imagine the signs you're going to see. Imagine the picket lines by PETA and the Humane Society in every city. I can almost imagine the turmoil of whether you go to Bobby Petrino and ask him to remove the albatross so the team can go on. Or I can imagine actually hoping for the Commissioner to act and suspend him. Being an Atlanta Falcons player in 2007 is going to suck if Vick is allowed to play.

I can imagine the friction between diehard Falcon fans and the boo birds (no pun intended). It wouldn't surprise me if a number of fights between spectators in the stands will be caught on camera this fall. I'm sure that Arthur Blanks will love seeing that happen in the Georgia Dome.

 

[aikemirv]

Originally Posted by burmafrd
I cannot find myself agreeing with PETA without wanting to truly hurl.
But their point about those who are cruel to animals being risks to others is borne out by studies on serial killers. Virtually every one of them were cruel to animals. In many cases what they did to animals as kids they did to people as adults.

This is the leap in faith I find crazy. Plenty of little boys have done something to an animal. It's called being a little boy. Many people are cruel to animals, to say someone who is cruel to animals has anything to do with psychotics is just plain wrong and over the top.

Micheal Vick, if found guilty should be punished okay. Just getting that out of the way because I know what's coming. It is a crime and if convicted he should be punished. But, Looking at some of the post as well as some of the other things I have read on this matter, let's just say it is eye opening.

He has NO Prior convictions, and In our judicial system they use it. They use it to give repeat offender's more time. They use it to give Good people who do stupid things and get caught up Probabtion. Some people with the Blood lust for Vick's head may not like it but that is what it is.

And yes, I know it is popular to say the whole (Gagging) animals are people too stuff is the new elightened badge of honor but Yes, like it or not, fact is we are talking about DOGS here. People get less for killing humans under the right circumstances. Again Dog fighting is stupid, It is cruel and personally I think the dude needs to get over the whole culture and everyting attached to it. But it is what it is. It goes on Nationwide and People get caught and do not spend jail time, they do not loose their jobs. They loose their animals and pay fines.

Just because Vick can afford it and would not Die and Go away like many would like Does not change anything. The punishment should fit the crime.

Rats are animals-killed with impunity
alligators are animals- Killed for shoes
Seals are animals-killed for vanity
Minks are animals- killed So wealthy men can have sex
Chimpanzees are animals- killed to satisfy mans curiosity about everything form asprin ingestion to nuclear exposure

On and On ...

I disagree with P.E.T.A but I can at least respect them. They are outraged about all animal cruelty. The newfound Dog lovers I find hyporcritical.

As an aside I want to see some of the takes the next time a kid is mauled to death by one of these Gentle, Loving, Wise, Magestic creatures, for no other reason than the kid was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I love my dog but I realize that it is an animal.

Very nice. Well said.

 

[Doomsday101]

I can imagine the friction between diehard Falcon fans and the boo birds (no pun intended). It wouldn't surprise me if a number of fights between spectators in the stands will be caught on camera this fall. I'm sure that Arthur Blanks will love seeing that happen in the Georgia Dome.

Which is why Blank is going to hire Michael Buffer for the pre game introduction and then "Lets get ready to rumble"

 

[aikemirv]

Which leads me to my original question.... What do necessary mean?

If you go fishing for sport, and release your catch, is that inhumane?

Yes it is, and I fish for them with minnows and grasshoppers that I put hooks through their backs.

 

[peplaw06]

Originally Posted by burmafrd
I cannot find myself agreeing with PETA without wanting to truly hurl.
But their point about those who are cruel to animals being risks to others is borne out by studies on serial killers. Virtually every one of them were cruel to animals. In many cases what they did to animals as kids they did to people as adults.

This is the leap in faith I find crazy. Plenty of little boys have done something to an animal. It's called being a little boy. Many people are cruel to animals, to say someone who is cruel to animals has anything to do with psychotics is just plain wrong and over the top.

Micheal Vick, if found guilty should be punished okay. Just getting that out of the way because I know what's coming. It is a crime and if convicted he should be punished. But, Looking at some of the post as well as some of the other things I have read on this matter, let's just say it is eye opening.

He has NO Prior convictions, and In our judicial system they use it. They use it to give repeat offender's more time. They use it to give Good people who do stupid things and get caught up Probabtion. Some people with the Blood lust for Vick's head may not like it but that is what it is.

And yes, I know it is popular to say the whole (Gagging) animals are people too stuff is the new elightened badge of honor but Yes, like it or not, fact is we are talking about DOGS here. People get less for killing humans under the right circumstances. Again Dog fighting is stupid, It is cruel and personally I think the dude needs to get over the whole culture and everyting attached to it. But it is what it is. It goes on Nationwide and People get caught and do not spend jail time, they do not loose their jobs. They loose their animals and pay fines.

Just because Vick can afford it and would not Die and Go away like many would like Does not change anything. The punishment should fit the crime.

Rats are animals-killed with impunity
alligators are animals- Killed for shoes
Seals are animals-killed for vanity
Minks are animals- killed So wealthy men can have sex
Chimpanzees are animals- killed to satisfy mans curiosity about everything form asprin ingestion to nuclear exposure

On and On ...

I disagree with P.E.T.A but I can at least respect them. They are outraged about all animal cruelty. The newfound Dog lovers I find hyporcritical.

As an aside I want to see some of the takes the next time a kid is mauled to death by one of these Gentle, Loving, Wise, Magestic creatures, for no other reason than the kid was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I love my dog but I realize that it is an animal.

The facts are that most serial killers start out torturing animals... You know those logic games, where you have to figure out if X=Y??

All widgets are snazzles... Are all snazzles widgets? The answer is no.

It's the same here. Let's say for arguments sake that all serial killers torture animals. Does that mean that all people who torture animals are serial killers? No. That's a misapplication of logic.

 

[AbeBeta]

To much ambiguity in your statement. I don't know if you're agreeing with me or declaring what I said a stretch.

Stretch -- you are going around and around to say attribute something to Al while ignoring the simpler interpretation -- that he thinks dogfighting is bad.

 

[DallasEast]

Which leads me to my original question.... What do necessary mean?

If you go fishing for sport, and release your catch, is that inhumane?

In those terms, I would agree that it is a humane practice. As long as the amount of fish caught doesn't exceed what the fisherman expects to consume for himself or herself, his or her family, or what was requested of him or her to catch for someone else, I wouldn't have a problem.