Rev. Al, Russell Simmons, PETA add their two cents on Vick...

[DallasEast]

Which is why Blank is going to hire Michael Buffer for the pre game introduction and then "Lets get ready to rumble"

Now THAT would be funny! :laugh1:

 

[YosemiteSam]

Stretch -- you are going around and around to say attribute something to Al while ignoring the simpler interpretation -- that he thinks dogfighting is bad.

I never said he didn't think dog fighting is bad. I said he does what he does for fame and fortune and likes to draw "careful lines" in the dirt that divide improperly. Lets just call it in 1310's words "His Schtick".

Anyone that thinks dog fighting is not cruel and is "OK" has deeper issues than just wanting fame and fortune.

 

[peplaw06]

In those terms, I would agree that it is a humane practice. As long as the amount of fish caught doesn't exceed what the fisherman expects to consume for himself or herself, his or her family, or what was requested of him or her to catch for someone else, I wouldn't have a problem.

Yes, but is it necessary for him and his family to eat fish? Or does he just like the taste?

And as far as the catch and release stuff... you're still catching them, usually with a sharp hook through the mouth. Can't really feel good.

Look, I'm no animal activist or PETA member, far from it... I eat all kinds of meat. But I don't pretend that it is "necessary" for me to do so to survive. You can survive without meat, people do it all the time. But I like it, so I eat it.

I think the line is blurry, like SP is saying, but it's kind of like the definition of obscene. I can't tell you what is "too inhumane," but I know it when I see it. Dogfighting serves little purpose, and shocks the senses.

But then again, seldom is any issue black and white.

 

[Crown Royal]

Yes, but is it necessary for him and his family to eat fish? Or does he just like the taste?

And as far as the catch and release stuff... you're still catching them, usually with a sharp hook through the mouth. Can't really feel good.

Look, I'm no animal activist or PETA member, far from it... I eat all kinds of meat. But I don't pretend that it is "necessary" for me to do so to survive. You can survive without meat, people do it all the time. But I like it, so I eat it.

I think the line is blurry, like SP is saying, but it's kind of like the definition of obscene. I can't tell you what is "too inhumane," but I know it when I see it. Dogfighting serves little purpose, and shocks the senses.

But then again, seldom is any issue black and white.

As a vegetarian who is that way because I can't feel ethical about killing something unnecessarily, I will say that I do find necessity in eating fish. The amount of Omega 3 you get from fish is very healthy, and incredibly difficult to match from items like spinach and walnuts.

Further, the people who live the longest tend to have diets that include mostly fruit/vegetables/grains and some fish.

 

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[Crown Royal]

^^ el oh el

 

[Stautner]

As a vegetarian who is that way because I can't feel ethical about killing something unnecessarily, I will say that I do find necessity in eating fish. The amount of Omega 3 you get from fish is very healthy, and incredibly difficult to match from items like spinach and walnuts.

Further, the people who live the longest tend to have diets that include mostly fruit/vegetables/grains and some fish.

This thread has taken a funny turn.

While fish may be healthier than beef, beef is still food, so isn't is a little hypocritical to condemn killing cattle for food and support killing fish for food?

The fence riding position kind of puzzles me - shouldn't it either be wrong or right to kill animals for their meat?

I personally can respect either viewpoint, but as for me I justify it by believing we are just part of the food chain like every other creature, and us eating meat is no more or less ethical than a lion eating a gazelle.

 

[Crown Royal]

This thread has taken a funny turn.

While fish may be healthier than beef, beef is still food, so isn't is a little hypocritical to condemn killing cattle for food and support killing fish for food?

The fence riding position kind of puzzles me - shouldn't it either be wrong or right to kill animals for their meat?

I personally can respect either viewpoint, but as for me I justify it by believing we are just part of the food chain like every other creature, and us eating meat is no more or less ethical than a lion eating a gazelle.

I tried to be a complete vegetarian and not eat fish, but I had some health side affects and read some more on it.

Simply, if something is necessary for me to survive healthfully, then I don't see how I can find it unethical. I need fish to maximize my health, it is a necessary function. It doesn't necessarily diminish the fish's right to life in my viewpoint, but my need outweighs it.

On the other hand, beef is not a necessity for me to be healthy in any sense, and might even serve to hurt my health in some ways. It is just as simple not to eat beef as to eat it, with no poor health side affects.

That's the distinction.

 

[Vtwin]

I've never been against hunting or fishing out of necessity. Some people have to do one or both so that they can feed themselves and/or their families. It's hunting or fishing when you don't have to which I disagree with. If the option of buying food exists for you and it's not a true burden to do so, then hunting or fishing essentially becomes a luxury indulgence which 'justifies' killing for sport only.

So buying a steak that came from a steer that went through the meat packing process is OK but making a clean kill on a deer that will be cut up and eaten during the winter is not?This is delusional at best.That meat you buy all nicely wrapped in the case at the grocery store used to have a face you know. Chances are it's "life" was much less "fulfilling" and came to a more painful and tragic end then the deer in my freezer did.Oh, Vick is a scumbag who should cut up and fed to the dogs.

 

[Jarv]

I tried to be a complete vegetarian and not eat fish, but I had some health side affects and read some more on it.

Simply, if something is necessary for me to survive healthfully, then I don't see how I can find it unethical. I need fish to maximize my health, it is a necessary function. It doesn't necessarily diminish the fish's right to life in my viewpoint, but my need outweighs it.

On the other hand, beef is not a necessity for me to be healthy in any sense, and might even serve to hurt my health in some ways. It is just as simple not to eat beef as to eat it, with no poor health side affects.

That's the distinction.

How can you feel good about yourself knowing that plants are living things and you kill them for food...

 

[YosemiteSam]

So buying a steak that came from a steer that went through the meat packing process is OK but making a clean kill on a deer that will be cut up and eaten during the winter is not?This is delusional at best.That meat you buy all nicely wrapped in the case at the grocery store used to have a face you know. Chances are it's "life" was much less "fulfilling" and came to a more painful and tragic end then the deer in my freezer did.Oh, Vick is a scumbag who should cut up and fed to the dogs.

Killing for survival and killing for sport are two different things.

 

[Crown Royal]

How can you feel good about yourself knowing that plants are living things and you kill them for food...

Is this a real question? I'm more than happy to answer, but I am really not in this thread to preach vegetarianism to anyone. I have just responded to questions about mine.

 

[Vtwin]

Killing for survival and killing for sport are two different things.

No argument here.The poster I was responding to was saying something different though.He said that hunting was wrong if one could easily BUY their meat instead.That is delusional as the animal which supplied the boughten meat most likely "suffered" much more then the "wild" animal I shot for my meat.Another relevant point that I did not attempt to make is that in many areas and for many game animals hunting is the only viable natural managment system now that there is less range and far less natural predators. Seeing deer starving through a winter because there is to many for the ranges is not a pretty sightI have no respect for "trophy" hunters.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Is this a real question? I'm more than happy to answer, but I am really not in this thread to preach vegetarianism to anyone. I have just responded to questions about mine.

Both plants and animals are both carbon based. Both die when you eat them. You are a horrible plant terrorist!

 

[Jarv]

No argument here.The poster I was responding to was saying something different though.He said that hunting was wrong if one could easily BUY their meat instead.That is delusional as the animal which supplied the boughten meat most likely "suffered" much more then the "wild" animal I shot for my meat.Another relevant point that I did not attempt to make is that in many areas and for many game animals hunting is the only viable natural managment system now that there is less range and far less natural predators. Seeing deer starving through a winter because there is to many for the ranges is not a pretty sightI have no respect for "trophy" hunters.

Bingo, I told a story here once about my 1st hunting trip at 13. My cousin and I shot some squirles (After deer hunting) and my Father and Uncles made us skin them and eat them.

Taught us only to hunt for food. Same with fishing, I was never a ctach and release guy.

 

[Vtwin]

Bingo, I told a story here once about my 1st hunting trip at 13. My cousin and I shot some squirles (After deer hunting) and my Father and Uncles made us skin them and eat them.

Taught us only to hunt for food. Same with fishing, I was never a ctach and release guy.

Yup,I've had discussions with some of the soccer mom types at work who tell me that hunting is deplorable , while they are eating a cheeseburger.I tell them that if I were running the show everyone who wanted to eat meat would have to kill and clean something at least once so they would truly understand the consequences of their choices. There is no free lunch. Pun intended. lol

 

[Crown Royal]

Yup,I've had discussions with some of the soccer mom types at work who tell me that hunting is deplorable , while they are eating a cheeseburger.I tell them that if I were running the show everyone who wanted to eat meat would have to kill and clean something at least once so they would truly understand the consequences of their choices. There is no free lunch. Pun intended. lol

I make no distinction between hunting and buying the meat off the rack. The ends are the same, it is just the means that changed.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Yup,I've had discussions with some of the soccer mom types at work who tell me that hunting is deplorable , while they are eating a cheeseburger.I tell them that if I were running the show everyone who wanted to eat meat would have to kill and clean something at least once so they would truly understand the consequences of their choices. There is no free lunch. Pun intended. lol

 

[Crown Royal]

Whoever drew that sucks.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I make no distinction between hunting and buying the meat off the rack. The ends are the same, it is just the means that changed.

I love tender juicy beef.