Ricky Williams Fails Drug Test

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Yeagermeister said:
It's up to him to make it to the testing place not the league to work around him. If he misses the test it's on him.

Actually that is not correct. The league cannot tell a player that he can't take a trip. The league can say "since you are in India we are giving you a test at such and such location in Delhi"

those are, as I understand them, the rules. the league does have to work around him. he isn't a prisoner -- the league can't say -- "you can't travel because we have to test you"
 

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No. he can be tested at any time. the league however can't tell him that he can't go on a trip out of the country. he is required to inform the league if he plans to be away. the league can test him if he is out of the country -- but they have to set it up wherever he happens to be. my guess is that if he did miss a test, the appeal will involve his inability to make it to the testing site in time (e.g., inadequate notice, travel interuptions beyond his control).

Ricky is the one who screwed up by flunking to begin with it is his responsibility to be there for the testing which he would not be involved with had he not messed up start with. NFL is not responsible of tracking guys down to test them. Ricky clearly knew what the deal was unless he just does not give a **** he should have made himself available. Lastly I have seen some reports that indicate he just plain failed the test and had nothing to do with missing it.
 

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Ricky is the one who screwed up by flunking to begin with it is his responsibility to be there for the testing which he would not be involved with had he not messed up start with. NFL is not responsible of tracking guys down to test them. Ricky clearly knew what the deal was unless he just does not give a **** he should have made himself available. Lastly I have seen some reports that indicate he just plain failed the test and had nothing to do with missing it.

Actually, I believe per the CBA it is the NFL's responsibility to give adequate notice and provide a testing facility.
 

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abersonc said:
Actually, I believe per the CBA it is the NFL's responsibility to give adequate notice and provide a testing facility.

I'll see if I can find anything like that but I don't think it is the case. None the less though Ricky messed up and this is would be his 4th time sorry I can't feel sorry for a guy who would be willing to throw away a career and the big money that comes with it because he wants to get high. An NFL career last a short time and these guys should make the most of the opportunity.
 

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abersonc said:
Actually that is not correct. The league cannot tell a player that he can't take a trip. The league can say "since you are in India we are giving you a test at such and such location in Delhi"

those are, as I understand them, the rules. the league does have to work around him. he isn't a prisoner -- the league can't say -- "you can't travel because we have to test you"
If that's the case I see your point and I never said he couldn't travel. He just needed to communicate that he was leaving town to make sure he didn't miss the test.
 

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Just in case this has not been mentioned...

John Clayton just said on sports center that it was a failed drug test and that it was NOT mary jane so it would appear, if he is correct, that ricky did have a drug test afterall.
 

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BrAinPaiNt said:
Just in case this has not been mentioned...

John Clayton just said on sports center that it was a failed drug test and that it was NOT mary jane so it would appear, if he is correct, that ricky did have a drug test afterall.
YEAH BOOOY!!!!!!!!!!


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YEAH BOOOY!!!!!!!!!!


Sorry everytime I see that sig pic I can't help myself lol

LOL you gotta crack up everytime you see him...I hate dating type shows but his one on VH1 makes me roll everytime I watch it.
 

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This is another reason why they need to legalize mary jane.
 

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BrAinPaiNt said:
Just in case this has not been mentioned...

John Clayton just said on sports center that it was a failed drug test and that it was NOT mary jane so it would appear, if he is correct, that ricky did have a drug test afterall.

Hmm. I thought that information was confidential.

Speculation either way.
 

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Facing 1-year suspension, Williams files appeal

ESPN.com news services

Several league sources said Monday night that the case against Miami Dolphins running back Ricky Williams, who reportedly violated the NFL's substance-abuse policy for a fourth time and who faces a possible one-year suspension, already is in the appeals process, ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports.

A source told ESPN.com's John Clayton that the team was aware of Williams' appeal.
None of the sources would divulge when the reported violation occurred or precisely when the appeal was filed through the NFL Players' Association. Two sources did acknowledge the appeal was submitted before reports surfaced Sunday evening of Williams' latest apparent violation. League policy requires that test results be kept confidential.



The timetable for resolving such appeals, which could be heard by commissioner Paul Tagliabue, varies by case and might take several months. Sources on Monday suggested Williams' appeal will likely take one-to-three months to resolve.

Meanwhile, sources told ESPN's Hank Goldberg that Williams' violation of the league's substance-abuse policy is not a matter of a missed test. Williams has failed a drug test, the sources said.

The substance discovered is not known publicly but a source told ESPN.com's Clayton that the drug for which Williams was said to have tested positive was not marijuana. Williams has three times prior tested positive for marijuana use.

The Miami Herald quoted a source who called the Williams' situation "confusing." When asked what substance he might have been using, the source told the newspaper, "This whole thing is a little confusing. I'll just leave it at that. The best way to say it is he violated the program."

Denver television station KDVR first reported Sunday night that Williams again had violated the league's policy. An NFL spokesman told ESPN that the NFL had no comment on the report.

Because of the confidentiality guidelines of the NFL system, it is not known how many appeals have succeeded, but reversals are believed to be rare. In 2000, however, then-Miami running back J.J. Johnson won his appeal against charges that he had violated the substance abuse policy, and he was spared a four-game suspension.

The basis of Johnson's appeal remains unknown.

Williams has tested positive for marijuana three times and served a four-game suspension when he returned to the NFL last season following a one-year retirement.

Williams' agent, Leigh Steinberg, did not wish to discuss Williams' situation except in hypothetical terms, according to the Herald.

"Assuming that something like this happened, an appeal would have been filed. In the best case, that appeal would probably not have been heard until April, but now that all this information is out, it's impossible to know what might happen. I would be blown away if Ricky Williams used drugs, and that's how most of the people around him also feel," Steinberg told the newspaper.

The report caught Williams' mother by surprise. On Sunday, Sandy Williams told the Palm Beach Post that her son is currently in India, that they had not spoken of late, and that she'd "bet my life he's not smoking marijuana."

Steinberg said Williams has been in India for approximately two weeks and is not scheduled to return to the United States until early April. He said Williams could have received permission from the NFL to leave the country for a period of time and not be tested under the league's substance-abuse policy.

Williams abruptly retired from the NFL in July 2004 and the Dolphins fell apart, losing their first six games and finishing 4-12 -- their worst season since the 1960s.

At the time of his return, Williams was ordered to pay the Dolphins $8.6 million for breaching his contract, although there has been no financial resolution between him and the team. He was scheduled to be paid the league minimum of $540,000 last season but was docked four games' pay because of his league-mandated suspension and was fined another four games in pay, reducing his take to $285,882.

Williams' base salaries for the two coming seasons are $545,000 and $670,000, the minimum for a player (he entered the league in 1999) of his NFL tenure.
ESPN.com senior writers Len Pasquarelli and John Clayton contributed to this report. Information from The Associated Press was also used.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2337598
 

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Taking Ricky out of the equation for a second.

It is explicit in the league's policy that results are private -- meaning that league personnel etc. cannot discuss test results. If that is the case, then why is it that every time someone test positive, unnamed sources come forward with this info?

Rules is rules -- and the players union needs to come down hard on the league for this constant stream of information that gets out.
 

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abersonc said:
Taking Ricky out of the equation for a second.

It is explicit in the league's policy that results are private -- meaning that league personnel etc. cannot discuss test results. If that is the case, then why is it that every time someone test positive, unnamed sources come forward with this info?

Rules is rules -- and the players union needs to come down hard on the league for this constant stream of information that gets out.

I am pretty sure that their privacy is maintained for a first time offense. After that they are publicly humiliated.
 

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abersonc said:
Taking Ricky out of the equation for a second.

It is explicit in the league's policy that results are private -- meaning that league personnel etc. cannot discuss test results. If that is the case, then why is it that every time someone test positive, unnamed sources come forward with this info?

Rules is rules -- and the players union needs to come down hard on the league for this constant stream of information that gets out.

It sounds as if you’re trying to blame the league for stupid players. A players career is not that long to start with if that can't control themselves then they have no business in the league to start with. Face it the NFL is a heck of a lot more forgiving that most businesses who have testing. Where I work you test positive 1 time and your history.
 

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Dolphins | Williams' agent upset drug test results were leaked
Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:40:33 -0800

Armando Salguero and Jason Cole, of the Miami Herald, reports Miami Dolphins RB Ricky Williams' agent, Leigh Steinberg, is upset that a Denver news station leaked the results of Williams' failed drug test. The Denver Broncos were looking at the possibility of making a trade for Williams, but discovered the positive drug test in the process. It was then leaked to a Denver television station which leaked the news.

Steinberg was upset the news was leaked before the appeal could possibly prevent a suspension and feels someone should be fired for it. Steinberg said, "It's really distressing that what is supposed to be a confidential, private rehabilitation and assistance program gets talked about by supposed league officials. It runs completely contrary to the law and spirit of the program. For this to come out before we have had a chance to go through the appeal process is extremely disappointing. To me, it's the type of thing someone should be fired for."
 

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SilverStarCowboy said:
It's a shame that alchohol is legal and pot isn't....or should I say scam?
I agree.Ricky Williams has a bad anxiety disorder and pot helps him.if any of you guys have ever had a panic attack or feelings similiar u would understand.have u ever heard of anyone beating thier wife or wrecking a car while stoned?its rare.either way i dont think ricky wants to play anymore anyway.
 

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I agree.Ricky Williams has a bad anxiety disorder and pot helps him.if any of you guys have ever had a panic attack or feelings similiar u would understand.have u ever heard of anyone beating thier wife or wrecking a car while stoned?its rare.either way i dont think ricky wants to play anymore anyway.

BS this is yet another cop out for a pot head player, sorry there are medications that he could take that are legal. He knew as every player in the league knows what the rules are and he made his choice.
 

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It sounds as if you’re trying to blame the league for stupid players. A players career is not that long to start with if that can't control themselves then they have no business in the league to start with. Face it the NFL is a heck of a lot more forgiving that most businesses who have testing. Where I work you test positive 1 time and your history.

No, I'm saying that the league needs to keep its mouth shut on the form of the violation. Information regarding the substance is confidential and should not be released. The league does not do so officially, however, every time a test comes back positive, we usually know what it was for and when. That isn't trying to excuse a player in any way. Just asking that the league enforce its privacy rules.

I think any player who can't follow the substance rules deserves what he gets suspension wise. Now, I think some of the rules are stupid - but they are clear enough that a player knows when he's putting his job in jeopardy.

My point here is that both sides need to follow the rules. The rules state that testing results are confidential. Confidential means specifics aren't leaked (no pun intended).
 

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juckie said:
I agree.Ricky Williams has a bad anxiety disorder and pot helps him.if any of you guys have ever had a panic attack or feelings similiar u would understand.have u ever heard of anyone beating thier wife or wrecking a car while stoned?its rare.either way i dont think ricky wants to play anymore anyway.

Lots of legal drugs available here that are FAR more effective than mary-jane for helping anxiety disorders.
 
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