Root of the Rico argument

[MarionBarberThe4th]

"Ifs" and "whats" were crackers and nuts!

lol

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

he has not even ran with the starters, that is why many question if rico is getting a fair shot.
u do recall rico was reported to have been burning the 1st team defense with romo throwing the ball?
it does not count?

so how many catches against 1st teams does schultz have?
u do realize his arms are shorter than a couple dbs on the team.

most do not argue against rico's talent, but u do.
yes, i realize u may have over-extended urself against rico and now invested in his failure.

Rico is getting a fair shot.... so should everyone and every player get a shot with the starters...what about Bo? or Jackson, I mean they should show what they have with starters....there is a long list of great athletes on the team that don't get a shot to run with first teamers....its basic assessment of players ability by observing during practice and during meetings and film room sessions...

and where did you see a report that Romo was throwing him the ball and he was burning the first team?

and Schultz has catches against first teamers in preseason....

nobody is arguing against his athletic ability....they are saying he is not NFL talent....perhaps college basketball was his thing....

and no one is invested in his failure...you ware way to invested in the myth of his ability....everyone here wants cowboys to succeed, what you fail to see is that they are objective and don't see him as one that can greatly help the team...

in your opinion, without facts and reason you are equating his ability to team success specially in the redzone, which is way too simplistic view of NFL by any standard...

I venture to say, you may be playing too much Madden NFL and thus that's where some of your arguments are originating from?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I agree, but not being able to take coaching while on the IR he would have to go somewhere else, and I do not know if NFL rules allow the team to tell the player where he can go to practice and learn the ins and outs of the playbook away from the team.

again, if he had a concussion, there is strict protocol for that...and again studing film and playbook would allow him to know his assignments....which is obviously something we have heard about him, including rico himself...

 

[Vegas_Cowboy]

Lmao. Garrett has been around football his whole life yet still has no idea about clock management, adjustments, game planning, not to ice your own kicker, etc? This is the guy you think has some sort of pedigree we should respect? He's a clown of a head coach who only holds this position because of Jerry's ineptitude. Garrett was a career, spare backup QB. No one wanted him as a coach until Jerry swooped in.

I never said you have to respect him but he has a heck of a lot more experience than we do. Maybe, just maybe, he can spot a guy not giving it his all?

After countless practices, an NFL career, QB coach for the Dolphins, Offensive Coordinator and now an NFL head coach after watching over other countless practices...I'm pretty sure he can spot a bum who's not up to the task when he sees it.

Silly me.

 

[waldoputty]

Rico is getting a fair shot.... so should everyone and every player get a shot with the starters...what about Bo? or Jackson, I mean they should show what they have with starters....there is a long list of great athletes on the team that don't get a shot to run with first teamers....its basic assessment of players ability by observing during practice and during meetings and film room sessions...

and where did you see a report that Romo was throwing him the ball and he was burning the first team?

and Schultz has catches against first teamers in preseason....

nobody is arguing against his athletic ability....they are saying he is not NFL talent....perhaps college basketball was his thing....

and no one is invested in his failure...you ware way to invested in the myth of his ability....everyone here wants cowboys to succeed, what you fail to see is that they are objective and don't see him as one that can greatly help the team...

in your opinion, without facts and reason you are equating his ability to team success specially in the redzone, which is way too simplistic view of NFL by any standard...

I venture to say, you may be playing too much Madden NFL and thus that's where some of your arguments are originating from?

rico/romo was talked extensively here in 2016. the hype did not come out of nowhere.

actually jackson and bo should both be given some time with the 1st. zeke is not even playing and we know what smith is.

dez ran the fade a lot and rico is a 1/16 the cost in $ with 3-4 years remaining in team control. in contrast, doubtful any honest person who ask any of the other tes to run the same route in red zone.

i dont even own madden and never have, but now u r going to say i dont even have madden.

you have not answer a single one of the questions i posed with any logic or data.

btw, xwalker just said the te's blocked fine. he did bothered to log 2 times rico had no one to block (thus assumes mental error). but the other te's errors were not counted even though others here have commented on a complete whiff by swaim and a missed block by one of the other 2 te's.

 

[waldoputty]

I never said you have to respect him but he has a heck of a lot more experience than we do. Maybe, just maybe, he can spot a guy not giving it his all?

After countless practices, an NFL career, QB coach for the Dolphins, Offensive Coordinator and now an NFL head coach after watching over other countless practices...I'm pretty sure he can spot a bum who's not up to the task when he sees it.

Silly me.

garrett did do a good job architecting the ol first approach, and most give him credit for that. however, that means he belongs in the front office. by your words, no one would have any right question any nf coach because god knows, any nfl coach would be more experience than 99.999% of the people on cz.

nevermind the timekeeping errors that repeated with no clear attempt to remedy them. or the formations where 99% of the plays would be rushing or other formations where 95% would be passing. smart coaches dont do that. garrett and his oc do.

my number 1 concern with garrett / rico is that rico is being screwed by garrett because garrett is taking revenge / making an example out of him. that has nothing to do with recognizing talent. that has to do with garrett trying to do everything to hold on to his job. or another words - the slime bag puts his personal interest ahead of the team's interest - in an almost blatant way to fans would even see it.

 

[Vegas_Cowboy]

garrett did do a good job architecting the ol first approach, and most give him credit for that. however, that means he belongs in the front office. by your words, no one would have any right question any nf coach because god knows, any nfl coach would be more experience than 99.999% of the people on cz.

nevermind the timekeeping errors that repeated with no clear attempt to remedy them. or the formations where 99% of the plays would be rushing or other formations where 95% would be passing. smart coaches dont do that. garrett and his oc do.

my number 1 concern with garrett / rico is that rico is being screwed by garrett because garrett is taking revenge / making an example out of him. that has nothing to do with recognizing talent. that has to do with garrett trying to do everything to hold on to his job.

Sorry if I don't want to go through every page of this thread but what is the revenge against Rico you're talking about? And if it's because he's making an example out of him, there's a reason.

Don't go all in and this is what happens. That's called coaching.

What would you do if you were a head coach who is on the hot seat with his job? Play a talented yet raw basketball player who turned football and is still trying to learn the game. Or do you go with a football player that is the safer bet?

 

[kskboys]

garrett did do a good job architecting the ol first approach, and most give him credit for that. however, that means he belongs in the front office. by your words, no one would have any right question any nf coach because god knows, any nfl coach would be more experience than 99.999% of the people on cz.

nevermind the timekeeping errors that repeated with no clear attempt to remedy them. or the formations where 99% of the plays would be rushing or other formations where 95% would be passing. smart coaches dont do that. garrett and his oc do.

my number 1 concern with garrett / rico is that rico is being screwed by garrett because garrett is taking revenge / making an example out of him. that has nothing to do with recognizing talent. that has to do with garrett trying to do everything to hold on to his job. or another words - the slime bag puts his personal interest ahead of the team's interest - in an almost blatant way to fans would even see it.

Revenge? Ummmmm.....don't do drugs, drugs are bad.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

garrett did do a good job architecting the ol first approach, and most give him credit for that. however, that means he belongs in the front office. by your words, no one would have any right question any nf coach because god knows, any nfl coach would be more experience than 99.999% of the people on cz.

nevermind the timekeeping errors that repeated with no clear attempt to remedy them. or the formations where 99% of the plays would be rushing or other formations where 95% would be passing. smart coaches dont do that. garrett and his oc do.

my number 1 concern with garrett / rico is that rico is being screwed by garrett because garrett is taking revenge / making an example out of him. that has nothing to do with recognizing talent. that has to do with garrett trying to do everything to hold on to his job. or another words - the slime bag puts his personal interest ahead of the team's interest - in an almost blatant way to fans would even see it.

what i know is that
will mcclay did the draft picking, whence created the current OL roster .

 

[waldoputty]

Sorry if I don't want to go through every page of this thread but what is the revenge against Rico you're talking about? And if it's because he's making an example out of him, there's a reason.

Don't go all in and this is what happens. That's called coaching.

What would you do if you were a head coach who is on the hot seat with his job? Play a talented yet raw basketball player who turned football and is still trying to learn the game. Or do you go with a football player that is the safer bet?

there is a rumor that rico 'liked' a tweet saying 'fire garrett'. immature, but may be because he felt disenfranchised about losing a year to lack of practiced. things seemed to have gone downhill since the concussion.

there seems to be an inner circle thing, as mentioned by dez in his rants after being let go. u can say sour grapes, but u dont just invent a story about an inner circle out of no where.

inner circles often exist in organizations, but not a good way to manage a bunch of millenials. if u have a talented player who feels disenfranchised due to being outside the circle of trust, then u may be losing him.

one usually do not go all in. especially true if you have a losing record. if so, why not develop the talented young players. and if the player develops/balls out quicker than expected, then you have a nice story on top of it. rico had quite the hype in 2017 preseason and it was because of his play. the logical play was to take him off the ir (2 allowed) and develop him. instead u have a player who probably feels screwed out of development and of service time. furthermore he lost practice reps that he needs to work out things as well as real life adjustments during plays in games.

and that is the theme of my op. many question what is going on with rico because people dont trust garrett's competence and honesty. you choose to to defend him given a similar set of facts, and that is your right.

 

[waldoputty]

what i know is that
will mcclay did the draft picking, whence created the current OL roster .

i think they all get credit for the ol. i personally think garrett is the architect and mcclay runs the draft. but again, that makes him an architect and not a game-day coach. his offense system also sucks so we dont want his schemes.

 

[waldoputty]

Revenge? Ummmmm.....don't do drugs, drugs are bad.

revenge happens all the time in the corporate world. been on the receiving end and also have dished it out.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

rico/romo was talked extensively here in 2016. the hype did not come out of nowhere.

actually jackson and bo should both be given some time with the 1st. zeke is not even playing and we know what smith is.

dez ran the fade a lot and rico is a 1/16 the cost in $ with 3-4 years remaining in team control. in contrast, doubtful any honest person who ask any of the other tes to run the same route in red zone.

i dont even own madden and never have, but now u r going to say i dont even have madden.

you have not answer a single one of the questions i posed with any logic or data.

btw, xwalker just said the te's blocked fine. he did bothered to log 2 times rico had no one to block (thus assumes mental error). but the other te's errors were not counted even though others here have commented on a complete whiff by swaim and a missed block by one of the other 2 te's.

rico is talked about here extensively..... doesn't mean anything....did anyone report from the camp? there were plenty of people who report from camp...and don't forget....2016 he was a project, not fully evaluated and we had no idea what we had, he was drafted because of his athletic ability and that what he probably showed..........so a few catches doesn't make him anything...

further evaluations exposed rico was perhaps not a great NFL talent...and again, he hasn't shown he can run any level of complex routes. the routes he was running the other night are extremely simple, which shows the level of his understanding of being an NFL receiver. even last year in the so called "amazing" games he was running simple routes. against lower level competition, you can get away with that...against higher caliber NFL players, you have no chance.

Dez also ran a lot of other routes....you just hung up on the fade, so his value was far more than just the fade route....his skills had declined due to injuries he had over the past few years, but that's a whole other story.... and again and again and again, there is more to red zone offense than a reverse trick play, running zeke and a fade route to a TE...if that's your repertoire then you will be able to run a great peewee flag football team.... and TEs run many routes inside the redzone….witten was a great example and plenty of other TEs in the league not even close to witten's class that do the same...again and again and again...if that's all he can do in the redzone, as a DE I can easily take him out of the game....Rico is not superman...but you sure make him sound like one.

and the issue is not just with blocking, I am sure he can try and block and slow down and get in the way...its knowing his assignments...that's been the issue the whole time with him.....he has not shown any level of consistency in his blocking assignments and that's the story that keeps coming out of camp...furthermore as mentioned....his route running is way too simplistic....he maybe 280 but there is plenty of 250 lb LBs in the league who can run faster than him and can tackle him and can stay with him and are almost as tall....

once again, any DC in the league will neutralize Rico after two weeks of tape if all he can do is fades in the redzone…….

 

[waldoputty]

rico is talked about here extensively..... doesn't mean anything....did anyone report from the camp? there were plenty of people who report from camp...and don't forget....2016 he was a project, not fully evaluated and we had no idea what we had, he was drafted because of his athletic ability and that what he probably showed..........so a few catches doesn't make him anything...

further evaluations exposed rico was perhaps not a great NFL talent...and again, he hasn't shown he can run any level of complex routes. the routes he was running the other night are extremely simple, which shows the level of his understanding of being an NFL receiver. even last year in the so called "amazing" games he was running simple routes. against lower level competition, you can get away with that...against higher caliber NFL players, you have no chance.

Dez also ran a lot of other routes....you just hung up on the fade, so his value was far more than just the fade route....his skills had declined due to injuries he had over the past few years, but that's a whole other story.... and again and again and again, there is more to red zone offense than a reverse trick play, running zeke and a fade route to a TE...if that's your repertoire then you will be able to run a great peewee flag football team.... and TEs run many routes inside the redzone….witten was a great example and plenty of other TEs in the league not even close to witten's class that do the same...again and again and again...if that's all he can do in the redzone, as a DE I can easily take him out of the game....Rico is not superman...but you sure make him sound like one.

and the issue is not just with blocking, I am sure he can try and block and slow down and get in the way...its knowing his assignments...that's been the issue the whole time with him.....he has not shown any level of consistency in his blocking assignments and that's the story that keeps coming out of camp...furthermore as mentioned....his route running is way too simplistic....he maybe 280 but there is plenty of 250 lb LBs in the league who can run faster than him and can tackle him and can stay with him and are almost as tall....

once again, any DC in the league will neutralize Rico after two weeks of tape if all he can do is fades in the redzone…….

rico/romo practices against 1st team as scout team were discussed a lot here in 2016. they basically said that rico was unstoppable.

he has had catches in other routes under tight coverage. it is a big advantage to have 280lb body in tight coverage with a catch radius that is often 1 foot wide than the defender

the fade in the red zone is what PRIME dez did a lot of, and rico offers a much large target that is much stronger, taller and more difficult to dislodge from the ball.

knowing his assignments is what the reps for, and what garrett screwed him out of.

if he needs time to learn more about blocking assignments, then line him up wide and use him where he is valuable INSTEAD of trying to turning everyone immediately to another witten.

 

[LocimusPrime]

How much is ricos agent paying you Waldo.

I need my cut

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

rico/romo practices against 1st team as scout team were discussed a lot here in 2016. they basically said that rico was unstoppable.

he has had catches in other routes under tight coverage. it is a big advantage to have 280lb body in tight coverage with a catch radius that is often 1 foot wide than the defender

the fade in the red zone is what PRIME dez did a lot of, and rico offers a much large target that is much stronger, taller and more difficult to dislodge from the ball.

knowing his assignments is what the reps for, and what garrett screwed him out of.

if he needs time to learn more about blocking assignments, then line him up wide and use him where he is valuable INSTEAD of trying to turning everyone immediately to another witten.

omg, the legend grows....he was unstoppable....who reported it? show me some links and reports from the camp....the superman myth grows by the day....

he runs simple routes, nothing complex, and he at this point given his lack of football ability, uses his athletic ability...thus the success you see against 4th and 5th stringers and become infatuated with...watch his catches,,, I am sure one of you fans has a compilation of videos on re-run 24x7 some where..... and you will see the simplicity of his routes.... and this catch radius stuff is over rated.... aquan boldin was small and his catch radius not that big and he was awesome, so was steve smith and I take tavon Austin over Rico 8 days of the week...so stop with that meaningless drivel..... against 6'4" 250 LB LBs that run 4.6 he would be utterly ineffective if he can only run one route and he can only try to do fades in the redzone….I a peewee flag football coach can come up with a defense to take him out of the game..... to be effective in football you have to know football and have football skills, not just size and your new catch phrase you are so desparatley hanging on to..... catch radius...

the fade was ONE of the things Dez did, so don't diminish Dez's ability to pump up rico...Dez did many other things and ran many routes including routes inside the red zone, that made the fade effective....he had an arsenal of moves and other football skills....not just the fade you so desparatley hanging on to again....if that's all he could have done, dez would have been out of the league years ago....

knowing your assignments are not just from reps..... films study....playbook.....meeting rooms....that's where a lot of the learning is done..... and you take it to the field and show it...and if you can't show it in practice after so many reps in practice...then you are football dumb....

and lining him up wide would be the stupidest thing a coach can do....it takes him 3 seconds to get off the line and into his route...by then the play is over....and again, do you think if he lined up wide, a defensive coordinator would match up a CB against him? really!!

my god...you are so simple.... and such a man crush on a almost has been player...all because you hate garrett so much...stop the insanity and foolishness, just hate garrett...no one will fault you

 

[kevm3]

Rico must have criticized this coaching staff and is getting iced out. Even if he can't run these complex routes or whatever is the criticism against him, what he has shown as an offensive playmaker is far beyond the other TEs on the roster. Rico needs to be on that playing field.

 

[Vegas_Cowboy]

there is a rumor that rico 'liked' a tweet saying 'fire garrett'. immature, but may be because he felt disenfranchised about losing a year to lack of practiced. things seemed to have gone downhill since the concussion.

there seems to be an inner circle thing, as mentioned by dez in his rants after being let go. u can say sour grapes, but u dont just invent a story about an inner circle out of no where.

inner circles often exist in organizations, but not a good way to manage a bunch of millenials. if u have a talented player who feels disenfranchised due to being outside the circle of trust, then u may be losing him.

one usually do not go all in. especially true if you have a losing record. if so, why not develop the talented young players. and if the player develops/balls out quicker than expected, then you have a nice story on top of it. rico had quite the hype in 2017 preseason and it was because of his play. the logical play was to take him off the ir (2 allowed) and develop him. instead u have a player who probably feels screwed out of development and of service time. furthermore he lost practice reps that he needs to work out things as well as real life adjustments during plays in games.

and that is the theme of my op. many question what is going on with rico because people dont trust garrett's competence and honesty. you choose to to defend him given a similar set of facts, and that is your right.

Maybe Rico is just not ready yet or just can't play football as well as basketball since he hadn't played the sport since the 8th grade.

He has a lot of catching up he has to do. Stop making music for awhile and put in some extra hours getting better at football. It might just impress the coaches and he could see some extra reps.

 

[waldoputty]

omg, the legend grows....he was unstoppable....who reported it? show me some links and reports from the camp....the superman myth grows by the day....

he runs simple routes, nothing complex, and he at this point given his lack of football ability, uses his athletic ability...thus the success you see against 4th and 5th stringers and become infatuated with...watch his catches,,, I am sure one of you fans has a compilation of videos on re-run 24x7 some where..... and you will see the simplicity of his routes.... and this catch radius stuff is over rated.... aquan boldin was small and his catch radius not that big and he was awesome, so was steve smith and I take tavon Austin over Rico 8 days of the week...so stop with that meaningless drivel..... against 6'4" 250 LB LBs that run 4.6 he would be utterly ineffective if he can only run one route and he can only try to do fades in the redzone….I a peewee flag football coach can come up with a defense to take him out of the game..... to be effective in football you have to know football and have football skills, not just size and your new catch phrase you are so desparatley hanging on to..... catch radius...

the fade was ONE of the things Dez did, so don't diminish Dez's ability to pump up rico...Dez did many other things and ran many routes including routes inside the red zone, that made the fade effective....he had an arsenal of moves and other football skills....not just the fade you so desparatley hanging on to again....if that's all he could have done, dez would have been out of the league years ago....

knowing your assignments are not just from reps..... films study....playbook.....meeting rooms....that's where a lot of the learning is done..... and you take it to the field and show it...and if you can't show it in practice after so many reps in practice...then you are football dumb....

and lining him up wide would be the stupidest thing a coach can do....it takes him 3 seconds to get off the line and into his route...by then the play is over....and again, do you think if he lined up wide, a defensive coordinator would match up a CB against him? really!!

my god...you are so simple.... and such a man crush on a almost has been player...all because you hate garrett so much...stop the insanity and foolishness, just hate garrett...no one will fault you

i would expect many at cz would recall rico/romo connections against the 1st team.
u can look it up yourself.
if rico wins 50% of the time against a press by a player that weighs 30-80lbs less than him, he would be very difficult to stop in the red zone. 30-80lbs is a huge advantage when someone is trying to knock him off his route. it is just simple physics.
everyone including even garrett said rico needs reps. and yet he does not get those reps.
dez on the fade is a well-known dez play in the red zone. if u r a fan, u should know that.
rico catches against 250lb in tight coverage on top. just watch the preseason games in 2017.
catch radius is a well-known parameter, and he has it in spades vs short-arm schultz. that is a big advantage in tight coverage, and u should know that.

u have not provided a shred of new info other than basically - i know better.

u have basically invested urself in his failure.

i hate garrett plenty, but it is based on his horrible offensive plans, horrible game management.

 

[waldoputty]

How much is ricos agent paying you Waldo.

I need my cut

i wish.