Roy Williams..

[jimmy40]

I can't remember who, but someone brought up an interesting point in a RW thread last week.

He said that Roy doesn't look like he is running fast, so thats why Romo throws behind him so much. We had a guy like that on our track team. He was a tall, lanky runner that looked like he was jogging all the time, but when you looked at the clock, he was turning in some very fast numbers.

Roy looks to be exactly like this. Romo may need to adjust his throws accordingly so that Roy has a chance to catch up to the passes.

actually Kitna has said exactly that several times.

 

[RainMan]

If not for Miles' emergence, I'd be freaking out right now. Three months ago it appeared we would need Roy to put up T.O. like games, and clearly he's only producing about 15 percent of what Owens gave us on a weekly basis. But with Miles taking over the No. 1 role, I feel we're actually in an envious wait-and-see situation right now with Roy.

We don't have to force feed him the ball and can allow for the relationship between him and Romo to develop naturally, should it ever so do so.

My thought is that we currently don't need him to produce any better than what he's currently doing -- that he's almost a luxury in a sense. But I do think come playoff time we need him to be a legitimate threat. That gives us 10 or so weeks to get something going.

I know few are, but I'm willing to take a wait-and-see approach here as opposed to buying into the crazy up-and-down hype we as fans so often ride. (You know, the hype that had us cutting the unproven Austin this preseason and had Kitna replacing Romo a few weeks ago.)

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If not for Miles' emergence, I'd be freaking out right now. Three months ago it appeared we would need Roy to put up T.O. like games, and clearly he's only producing about 15 percent of what Owens gave us on a weekly basis. But with Miles taking over the No. 1 role, I feel we're actually in an envious wait-and-see situation right now with Roy.

We don't have to force feed him the ball and can allow for the relationship between him and Romo to develop naturally, should it ever so do so.

My thought is that we currently don't need him to produce any better than what he's currently doing -- that he's almost a luxury in a sense. But I do think come playoff time we need him to be a legitimate threat. That gives us 10 or so weeks to get something going.

I know few are, but I'm willing to take a wait-and-see approach here as opposed to buying into the crazy up-and-down hype we as fans so often ride. (You know, the hype that had us cutting the unproven Austin this preseason and had Kitna replacing Romo a few weeks ago.)

This, to me, is a good post. We're not so good that we don't need the skills of Roy Williams. As time goes by, I hope that it gets figured out. It does nobody any good for Roy and Tony not to get on the same page.

 

[speedkilz88]

If not for Miles' emergence, I'd be freaking out right now. Three months ago it appeared we would need Roy to put up T.O. like games, and clearly he's only producing about 15 percent of what Owens gave us on a weekly basis. But with Miles taking over the No. 1 role, I feel we're actually in an envious wait-and-see situation right now with Roy.

We don't have to force feed him the ball and can allow for the relationship between him and Romo to develop naturally, should it ever so do so.

My thought is that we currently don't need him to produce any better than what he's currently doing -- that he's almost a luxury in a sense. But I do think come playoff time we need him to be a legitimate threat. That gives us 10 or so weeks to get something going.

I know few are, but I'm willing to take a wait-and-see approach here as opposed to buying into the crazy up-and-down hype we as fans so often ride. (You know, the hype that had us cutting the unproven Austin this preseason and had Kitna replacing Romo a few weeks ago.)

+1

That's how I'm trying to look at it too.

 

[JonJon]

The way you described that RW running slow thing and Romo adjusting to account for said slowness just reminded me of clicking options in Madden and going to work.

Oh ok...LOL.

 

[zeroburrito]

Pretty much debunks the wonderlic as a measure of talent. Dan Marino scored a 16.

it's not physical talent. alex smith is smart, but can't throw at all. dan marino is dumb as a box of rocks, but had an incredible arm. ben roflsburger has the steelers.

 

[Slashar00]

This is not a popular comment, but Roy needs to be benched until he can figure it out, get healthy, or the coaches figure out how to use him.

Right now, he's not worth throwing to. He is NOT a luxury. He's taking up a position that we need.

The reason why Roy and Romo are not on the same page is because Roy Williams has to come off his routes to get open. Sure, he gets open, but he's not where he's supposed to be. When a quarterback is generally accurate, but every time he throws to ONE PARTICULAR player he's inaccurate, that usually means it's the receiver's fault. Too high? Roy ran the route shallow. Too low? Roy ran the route too deep. We see passes way over Roy's head, bouncing at his feet, or way off. We're not talking about throwing behind or ahead of Roy a little (QB inaccuracy). Or missing him on deep streaks (unfamiliar with the receiver's speed). We're talking about WAY OFF passes.

A receiver needs to get on the QUARTERBACK'S page, not the other way around. The quarterback is the one under duress. He needs to know where his man will be when he releases the football.

Romo is on page with everyone else on the team. I've never seen Romo so completely off page with a receiver since he started playing in the NFL. So all of the sudden it's Romo's fault? That makes no sense.

It can be argued that Garrett is not using Roy correctly. He's not giving Roy the routes he can run effectively.

 

[Randy White]

Scored a touchdown when the game was still in doubt. Good enough for today though I want more. All the Roy haters can kiss my @$$.

co-sign.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

If not for Miles' emergence, I'd be freaking out right now. Three months ago it appeared we would need Roy to put up T.O. like games, and clearly he's only producing about 15 percent of what Owens gave us on a weekly basis. But with Miles taking over the No. 1 role, I feel we're actually in an envious wait-and-see situation right now with Roy.

We don't have to force feed him the ball and can allow for the relationship between him and Romo to develop naturally, should it ever so do so.

My thought is that we currently don't need him to produce any better than what he's currently doing -- that he's almost a luxury in a sense. But I do think come playoff time we need him to be a legitimate threat. That gives us 10 or so weeks to get something going.

I know few are, but I'm willing to take a wait-and-see approach here as opposed to buying into the crazy up-and-down hype we as fans so often ride. (You know, the hype that had us cutting the unproven Austin this preseason and had Kitna replacing Romo a few weeks ago.)

I'm in the same boat. I'm with taking the wait and see approach for the simple fact the Cowboys aren't hurting on offense right now. They're fine. And I like the possible reward that we can get if Roy and Romo do start connecting. We can afford to right now. Now against the Eagles this may be a different story. We may need to just go with what's working. But Roy on his game is dangerous. Dangerous enough to command double teams. So if that's the potential of waiting and seeing? I'm in.

it's not physical talent. alex smith is smart, but can't throw at all. dan marino is dumb as a box of rocks, but had an incredible arm. ben roflsburger has the steelers.

So all it takes in this league to be a qb is having a "incredible arm"? And btw, how impressive was that Steelers team when Leftwich and Charlie Batch were quarterbacking it? Face it. Wunderlik means SQUAT. You can't look at a wunderlik score and determine if someone is going to be a good or bad player. That's ridiculous. I'm sure the 9ers and Alex Smith would like to believe so but no that's not how it works.

 

[casmith07]

it's not physical talent. alex smith is smart, but can't throw at all. dan marino is dumb as a box of rocks, but had an incredible arm. ben roflsburger has the steelers.

no, really?

my comment about the wonderlic was directed towards the people that believe that the wonderlic score has some sort of correlation to on-field performance. It's really just a test to see how good you are at taking tests.

 

[zeroburrito]

I'm in the same boat. I'm with taking the wait and see approach for the simple fact the Cowboys aren't hurting on offense right now. They're fine. And I like the possible reward that we can get if Roy and Romo do start connecting. We can afford to right now. Now against the Eagles this may be a different story. We may need to just go with what's working. But Roy on his game is dangerous. Dangerous enough to command double teams. So if that's the potential of waiting and seeing? I'm in.



So all it takes in this league to be a qb is having a "incredible arm"? And btw, how impressive was that Steelers team when Leftwich and Charlie Batch were quarterbacking it? Face it. Wunderlik means SQUAT. You can't look at a wunderlik score and determine if someone is going to be a good or bad player. That's ridiculous. I'm sure the 9ers and Alex Smith would like to believe so but no that's not how it works.

give them more than a day to prepare and they will do just as well. hell, when ben got injured last year lefty saved them against the Commanders.

 

[Eskimo]

What upper echelon player? The Cowboys had the 2nd least amount of money spent against the salary cap. Cowboys could sign anyone they want just like Snyder does. Fact is, that person wasn't out there.

I think part of that may have been keeping some money available for the extensions coming up for Ware (already done), Spears, Bowen/Hatcher (will need to sign one of them).

Alternatively, maybe that player would have been Roy Williams as I had already pointed out - except this time only for money.

 

[Eskimo]

no, really?

my comment about the wonderlic was directed towards the people that believe that the wonderlic score has some sort of correlation to on-field performance. It's really just a test to see how good you are at taking tests.

So why does the nfl continue to use it?

I agree that it may not be of much use, but they are probably using it for some reason.

Alex Smith and Drew Henson (wonderlic 39 or 42) may be classic cases of book smart but football dumb.

 

[speedkilz88]

I think the nfl uses it to figure which guys they really need to worry about and check them out further. If a player scores less than what is average for his position they are more likely going to have trouble adjusting to the league. Doesn't mean there won't be exceptions, but when drafting you are more likely going to hit if you don't reach on guys you hope are the exception.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I think part of that may have been keeping some money available for the extensions coming up for Ware (already done), Spears, Bowen/Hatcher (will need to sign one of them).

Alternatively, maybe that player would have been Roy Williams as I had already pointed out - except this time only for money.

Fair enough but the Cowboys can restructure contracts. Money isn't a problem. Snyder does this every year. Now I agree with one thing. Jerry should've waited and signed Roy because I don't THINK that the Lions were going to re-sign him. But who knows if someone would've traded for him. I remember the talk about Philly going after him.

 

[MONT17]

This is not a popular comment, but Roy needs to be benched until he can figure it out, get healthy, or the coaches figure out how to use him.

Right now, he's not worth throwing to. He is NOT a luxury. He's taking up a position that we need.

The reason why Roy and Romo are not on the same page is because Roy Williams has to come off his routes to get open. Sure, he gets open, but he's not where he's supposed to be. When a quarterback is generally accurate, but every time he throws to ONE PARTICULAR player he's inaccurate, that usually means it's the receiver's fault. Too high? Roy ran the route shallow. Too low? Roy ran the route too deep. We see passes way over Roy's head, bouncing at his feet, or way off. We're not talking about throwing behind or ahead of Roy a little (QB inaccuracy). Or missing him on deep streaks (unfamiliar with the receiver's speed). We're talking about WAY OFF passes.

A receiver needs to get on the QUARTERBACK'S page, not the other way around. The quarterback is the one under duress. He needs to know where his man will be when he releases the football.

Romo is on page with everyone else on the team. I've never seen Romo so completely off page with a receiver since he started playing in the NFL. So all of the sudden it's Romo's fault? That makes no sense.

It can be argued that Garrett is not using Roy correctly. He's not giving Roy the routes he can run effectively.

True... I also think Roy is out of shape, he comes off after any effort exhibited. Until we realize this acquisition was to spark the 08 team without much thought to the future... the better off we will be. Jerry playing OTree and Hurd more is along the line of thinking dont throw good money after bad!

 

[peplaw06]

Until we realize this acquisition was to spark the 08 team without much thought to the future... the better off we will be. Jerry playing OTree and Hurd more is along the line of thinking dont throw good money after bad!

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[speedkilz88]

Now Roys out of shape? Where do these people come from?

 

[TheCount]

no, really?

my comment about the wonderlic was directed towards the people that believe that the wonderlic score has some sort of correlation to on-field performance. It's really just a test to see how good you are at taking tests.

It's only ever brought in in relationship to on-field performance in a negative connotation. I have yet to hear anyone say, man this guy played a hell of a game, I wonder what his wonderlic is?

Only when someone wants to make a crack about someone's intelligence is the wonderlic brought up.

 

[jimmy40]

Now Roys out of shape? Where do these people come from?

I can't believe it took 12 pages, maybe I missed it earlier.