Running Back Top Priority

[BrassCowboy]

You see what you want to see. That's obvious. Name me the last team with a Pro Bowl running back to use a #1 draft choice on a running back?

Half of the league's playoff teams featured running backs who were late round draft choices or free agents, including the eventual champs..



The current one did make the Pro Bowl.....

you beat me to it, well said

 

[BrassCowboy]

everyone knows a CB will be first because they are more valuable in this NFL when you put quantity into the equation. Alot more valuable.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Talk about selective memory, you refuse to look outside of your narrow field of vision when discussing the subject so this discussion is absolutely pointless.

You want people to discuss the issue, then fail to even take the smallest morsel of what everyone is screaming at you into consideration.

Why even start the thread?

You're right, a backup rb will put us in the superbowl next year.

Yea because i said any of this stuff your lame attempts to attack me and claims that i have an agenda for CJ just fails so stop it. Its rather tiredsome.

You see what you want to see. That's obvious. Name me the last team with a Pro Bowl running back to use a #1 draft choice on a running back?

Half of the league's playoff teams featured running backs who were late round draft choices or free agents, including the eventual champs..



The current one did make the Pro Bowl.....

I don't hold the pro bowl as high as some of you guys do i don't believe him making the pro bowl had anything to do with his skills however injuries to some of the better RB's in the NFC. Pro bowl aside we haven't had a RB crack the 1,000 yard barrier in a while i mean MB3 was close however i remember JJ getting close to cracking 1,000 yards. So i'm still not sold on him.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

Every saying we have to get a 3rd solid corner and need another WR and than RB comes I disagree. We have a lock down corner in Newman and a decent one in Henry. Then WR we have the most depth assuming Glenn can still play however we are still fairly deep at the position. Then there RB who we only have one of MB3 and we use a two back system.

Discuss why you guys feel/ don't feel this isn't our top priority and what you do feel to be our top priority if not RB.

This is why corner is a top priority.:
1)Yes we have a shutdown corner in Newman, who after this season will be 30 yr old. We have a solid second corner that hasn't made it through a season healthy yet for the Cowboys who will be 30 or 31 next year.

2) We have no nickel corner just in case one of our 30 yr old guys gets injured or miss any time.

3)In today's game more offenses are moving to the 3 wr sets and are becoming heavy pass oriented so your 3rd corner is essentially a starter.


4)The Cowboys love to play Newman in the slot when we are in the nickel, that puts our nickel corner on either the #1 or #2 WR most of the time. We need a guy who can handle that responsibility. It was painfully obvious the Reeves couldn't do the job.


Now lets look at the RB position. We have our franchise back in Barber. The RB position is so deep this year that we could possibly get a stud not just a guy, but a stud out of the 2nd or 3rd rd.

If Henry wasn't injury prone I could see your point but he is, and he's getting up there in age so it would be critical that we prepare ourselves if this was to happen again by bringing in the best option at CB that will be available while we are on the clock.

 

[TheCount]

Yea because i said any of this stuff your lame attempts to attack me and claims that i have an agenda for CJ just fails so stop it. Its rather tiredsome.

You're a confessed CJ fanatic, the fact that you have him as the 22nd overall pick speaks volumes, I'm not exactly going out on a limb there. Who is attacking you? You say RB is the biggest need on this team, and no one agrees.

You open a thread and call for discussion, but then refuse to discuss. You have accepted none of the points made here whatsoever.

I don't hold the pro bowl as high as some of you guys do i don't believe him making the pro bowl had anything to do with his skills however injuries to some of the better RB's in the NFC. Pro bowl aside we haven't had a RB crack the 1,000 yard barrier in a while i mean MB3 was close however i remember JJ getting close to cracking 1,000 yards. So i'm still not sold on him.

So we have a pro bowl that played well enough to get voted to the pro bowl, and because that doesn't support your argument, it's meaningless.

We also haven't had a RB crack the the 1,000 yard mark because we've been platooning them as well as using discarded old RB's until we got JJ and Barber going in tandum, not to mention all the o-line issues we've had.

That is exactly what I'm talking about. You known darn well they've been splitting carries, but bring up failure tor each 1,000 yards as if it's proof of your argument.

You are not objective in the slightest on this issue.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

You're a confessed CJ fanatic, the fact that you have him as the 22nd overall pick speaks volumes, I'm not exactly going out on a limb there. Who is attacking you? You say RB is the biggest need on this team, and no one agrees.

You open a thread and call for discussion, but then refuse to discuss. You have accepted none of the points made here whatsoever.




So we have a pro bowl that played well enough to get voted to the pro bowl, and because that doesn't support your argument, it's meaningless.

We also haven't had a RB crack the the 1,000 yard mark because we've been platooning them as well as using discarded old RB's until we got JJ and Barber going in tandum, not to mention all the o-line issues we've had.

That is exactly what I'm talking about. You known darn well they've been splitting carries, but bring up failure tor each 1,000 yards as if it's proof of your argument.

You are not objective in the slightest on this issue.

Even if it did support my argument i wouldn't use the pro bowl as the defining thing to validate a player it looks good and increases his value however that doesn't define him.

I don't understand running backs are a dime a dozen input random RB A and the results should speak for them selves. you man to tell me RB's which are a dime a dozen we couldn't find one that could average 80 yards a game?

So because they split carries they shouldn't go over 1,000 yards. Tell that to Warrick who went over a 1,000 yards while splitting carries and having a QB that rushed for a 1,00 yards. Better yet tell Adrain Peterson that or Duece Mcallister last year who went over 1,000 or better yet tell LT or tell Willie Parker or any other RB thats part of a two back system that they aren't supposed to go over 1,000 yards because you split time.

I've taken in all the points the people have stated how ever wrong you claim me to be results is what matters. No team has one the super bowl the past 10 years has had a third quality starter type CB. So for you guys to say that it is a need and the top priority you may need to re think some things CB don't equal success a good pash rush does and getting pressure from your DLine something we can't do.

You can't always have quality players back up your starters and hope they can perform just as well. There isn't enough cap room and the back will start to become frustrated.

 

[TheCount]

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Even if it did support my argument i wouldn't use the pro bowl as the defining thing to validate a player it looks good and increases his value however that doesn't define him.

I don't understand running backs are a dime a dozen input random RB A and the results should speak for them selves. you man to tell me RB's which are a dime a dozen we couldn't find one that could average 80 yards a game?

So because they split carries they shouldn't go over 1,000 yards. Tell that to Warrick who went over a 1,000 yards while splitting carries and having a QB that rushed for a 1,00 yards. Better yet tell Adrain Peterson that or Duece Mcallister last year who went over 1,000 or better yet tell LT or tell Willie Parker or any other RB thats part of a two back system that they aren't supposed to go over 1,000 yards because you split time.

I've taken in all the points the people have stated how ever wrong you claim me to be results is what matters. No team has one the super bowl the past 10 years has had a third quality starter type CB. So for you guys to say that it is a need and the top priority you may need to re think some things CB don't equal success a good pash rush does and getting pressure from your DLine something we can't do.

You can't always have quality players back up your starters and hope they can perform just as well. There isn't enough cap room and the back will start to become frustrated.

You win, congratulations.

 

[IndianaCowboyFan]

Here is my 2 cents. Dallas takes 2 corners in the first 3 picks and most likely at 22 and 28. I think we should always have extra quality corners and have a developemental program for them like GB does for QBs.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Every saying we have to get a 3rd solid corner and need another WR and than RB comes I disagree. We have a lock down corner in newman and a decent one in Henry. Then WR we have the most depth assuming Glenn can still play however we are still fairly deep at the position. Then there RB who we only have one of MB3 and we use a two back system.

Discuss why you guys feel/ don't feel this isn't our top priority and what you do feel to be our top priority if not RB.

CB is the biggest need, in fact if 2 good ones last to 22 and 28 I would consider taking 2 CBs in the 1st round. Why?

1. Barber is a fan favorite and is going to be paid close to what Turner got. He will get 75% of the carries, so we dont need "another starter" at RB. We need a nice change up back that could also fill in if Barber gets hurt for 2 or 3 games.

2. We have Newman, Henery, Ball, and Olgsby. Thats it, and both starters missed games due to injury. Also consider most teams run 3 and 4 WR sets. You starting to see the problem here?

3. Not a very good draft for WRs, really no studs. A rookie WR in the 1st would probably be no better than #3, possibly #4 if Glenn comes back. Plus, we are already stacked at WR. We have TO, Glenn, Crayton, Hurd, Austin, Stanbach, and a rookie WR would be 7 WRs. I dont think we carry 7 WRs?

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

All three addressed issues are very important for the Boys to fill before the season starts.

Corner is important because of the way that our third corner was beat in several games. Yes many teams exposed our weakness with Reeves. The other thing that must be considered is if one of our starting corners goes down. After all both of them did last season. We need a good third corner to fill that void if and when it happens. I also have hope that Spencer will develop more and get Wade free. The better Spencer does the less pressing this need is and can relieve pressure on a rookie corner.

Marion Barber is not a starting HB. He is good enough to be but not with the style that he plays. We need to be able to keep that very physical style fresh down the road with another back to carry the load. A faster back is also needed to get the defense to respect speed out of the back in certain situations.

WR is the position that I personally have put on the back burner. We need a fast WR to stretch the field because we had problems with that last season and the running game suffered because of it. Our WR are also getting old. That is why I am for getting a few more WR in the draft.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

CB is the biggest need, in fact if 2 good ones last to 22 and 28 I would consider taking 2 CBs in the 1st round. Why?

1. Barber is a fan favorite and is going to be paid close to what Turner got. He will get 75% of the carries, so we dont need "another starter" at RB. We need a nice change up back that could also fill in if Barber gets hurt for 2 or 3 games.

2. We have Newman, Henery, Ball, and Olgsby. Thats it, and both starters missed games due to injury. Also consider most teams run 3 and 4 WR sets. You starting to see the problem here?

3. Not a very good draft for WRs, really no studs. A rookie WR in the 1st would probably be no better than #3, possibly #4 if Glenn comes back. Plus, we are already stacked at WR. We have TO, Glenn, Crayton, Hurd, Austin, Stanbach, and a rookie WR would be 7 WRs. I dont think we carry 7 WRs?

you have no clue as to what barber will be paid thats just over speculation he tendered this year and could be franchised next year so that would be 2 year more of his services of him with out being under contract and then we could do away with him after that.

I don't see the problem if you run 3-4 WR sets you are taking away extra blockers our pash rush should generate enough pressure where we could have anyone back there and it doesn't make a difference. I have yet to see an all star cast of CB's win a super bowl for `a team.

I think there are some studs Hardy, Kelley, Thomas, Bennet, Caldwell, Royal, and Manningham

 

[Beast_from_East]

you have no clue as to what barber will be paid thats just over speculation he tendered this year and could be franchised next year so that would be 2 year more of his services of him with out being under contract and then we could do away with him after that.

I don't see the problem if you run 3-4 WR sets you are taking away extra blockers our pash rush should generate enough pressure where we could have anyone back there and it doesn't make a difference. I have yet to see an all star cast of CB's win a super bowl for `a team.

I think there are some studs Hardy, Kelley, Thomas, Bennet, Caldwell, Royal, and Manningham

I have to disagree my friend.

While a team doesnt have to have an all-star cast of CBs, you cant have the crap we trotted out their last year and expect to win.

How many 3rd and 10 and 3rd and 12 did the Pats pick up by matching up a WR on our #3 CB?

Did the G-men go after Henery or Newman to score a TD in 45 seconds, or did they go after the crap that was on the roster behind them.

We upgrade our #3 and #4 CBs and we go to the NFC title game next year, at a minimuim. (baring major injury ofcourse).

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I have to disagree my friend.

While a team doesnt have to have an all-star cast of CBs, you cant have the crap we trotted out their last year and expect to win.

How many 3rd and 10 and 3rd and 12 did the Pats pick up by matching up a WR on our #3 CB?

Did the G-men go after Henery or Newman to score a TD in 45 seconds, or did they go after the crap that was on the roster behind them.

We upgrade our #3 and #4 CBs and we go to the NFC title game next year, at a minimuim. (baring major injury ofcourse).

Your still over looking the fact that for a TE to get down the field 20 yards im pretty sure it takes a some seconds and the BS defense we were playing has a much to do with that as the personell.

Wes Welker ate the giants up in the super bowl. We all know what the difference in that game was.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

Your still over looking the fact that for a TE to get down the field 20 yards im pretty sure it takes a some seconds and the BS defense we were playing has a much to do with that as the personell.

Wes Welker ate the giants up in the super bowl. We all know what the difference in that game was.

We need to upgrade at corner bro. But you are right the lack of pressure has not helped. Give Spencer this year things will be different.

 

[Maxmadden]

QUOTE
"If people didn't insist that we needed 3 quality starter type question i wouldn't continue to ask the question that i am failing to get a response to."

Let me try and answer this one for you, but read it slowly so maybe you can get it.

No one in the leauge has 3 quality starters. BUT, most teams have a 3rd corner, we do not.

Most teams have a 4th corner, we do not.

Both our 3rd and 4th corners are gone via free agency.

So can you see why it might be a top priority, given all the other reasons members have given you and the fact that is what was our biggest weakness last year.

Please move CJ to the 28th spot and let us have a CB at 22.

Thanks

 

[goshan]

This really isn't that difficult.

CB is the most critical position for depth and players that can contribute.

But WR and RB are more critical to get immediate impact players.

We have two good starters at CB. Barber is not a 20 carry back. We need a guy that can make an impact.

At WR, we are old and slow (Crayton, Hurd).

So the high draft picks need to go to WR and RB. I would pick up a vet corner if possible who is proven and draft at least 2 CBs in round 2-8. But I would lean toward WR and RB in round 1 (depending upon player availability).

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

This really isn't that difficult.

CB is the most critical position for depth and players that can contribute.

But WR and RB are more critical to get immediate impact players.

We have two good starters at CB. Barber is not a 20 carry back. We need a guy that can make an impact.

At WR, we are old and slow (Crayton, Hurd).

So the high draft picks need to go to WR and RB. I would pick up a vet corner if possible who is proven and draft at least 2 CBs in round 2-8. But I would lean toward WR and RB in round 1 (depending upon player availability).

Our first pick should be a corner. There is a lot of depth at HB in this draft. I'm not sure if there are many stud WR this year.

 

[goshan]

Keep thinking-look beyond the obvious.
We have two starters at CB that are good players. We are super old at WR with a 34 year old guy at risk to be slowing down. TO is hurt, our offense shuts down. This was proven last year. He may shut down due to injury or-- and his clock is ticking.

We lost a 12 carry a game RB in JJones (even though he isn't great). Barber hasn't proven he can carry the load - his style is condusive to 15 carries per game.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

I agree that WR is a priority. I also agree that Barber is not a full time back.

 

[jterrell]

No, all of them were projected to become starters.

Not just starters either.
Benson, Peterson and Bush were projected as franchise guys.
The end all be all of franchises. Put em on their back types. How many playoff starts do they have combined?

But no running back is that good.

The best running back in the NFCE is Brian Westbrook yet the Eagles couldn't even make the playoffs while all the other teams did.

Teams simply do not win in the playoffs with the running game anymore. Instead they spread you out and attack with 3 and 4 WR sets when they need points. Its what NYG did when they needed to score to win the Super Bowl and a backup WR made a huge play.

The problem is simple. No matter how good the running back the facts are on 3rd and 4 every team considers it a passing down.

Obviously you look to upgrade at every position and a backup RB does fill a need here but we only carried two active RBs last year for most of the season and come playoff time Julius barely got on the field. Miles Austin got more snaps....