Schefter: Archuleta traded to the Bears

[adamknite]

Excellent move, we were able to (somehow) defer his 5mil SB to Chicago.

Not sure how that's possible, but I'll take it. What a ******** signing, a pure example of how the Skins mentality is sometimes completely wrong. We had a cheap overacheiver who, from reports, had a very good relationship with the rest of the defense and was very solid. So what do we do? Outbid the Bears for Arch Delux, offer him a 5mil SB and a 5mil RB, when we could've kept Clark for almost the NFL minimum.

Well the Commanders are the best team in the league............


when it comes to weaseling out of cap hell.... that's for sure.

 

[riggo]

I was just comparing safeties. We can put Newman's career up to Rodgers' though, if you like.

Anyway - my point was I think that the Skins could do a lot better than Landry.

another bad example. (congratulations- you're 3 for 3 on one page alone). you'll recall newman was almost considered a bust before he broke out his third year. this will be rogers third year.

 

[adamknite]

another bad example. (congratulations- you're 2 for 2). you'll recall newman was almost considered a bust before he broke out his third year. this will be rogers third year.

Newman had a very good rookie year, then had an ok Sophmore season..... There have been a lot of players who hit that Sophmore slump. Newman wasn't about to be considered a bust unless he would have went out and had another shakey year. Rogers has had two not so great years so far.

Note: In Newman's Rookie year he had more INT's, and 1 less Pass Defence did Rogers has his first two years in the leage.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Lovie Smith knows how to use him and he wont do the mistake the Skins did by trying to have him cover receivers deep (like we also sadly are forced to do with Roy)

You mean 'were' right?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

No, they didn't. The Bears took over the bonus, and included it in their deal with AA.

I was talking about the signing bonus. Five million dollars flushed.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

I was talking about the signing bonus. Five million dollars flushed.

Doesn't hurt anyone but Dan Snyder's pocket book

Having a minimal cap hit this year and a draft pick on top of that

Amazing

A terrible mistake to bring in a guy who clearly did not fit but a nice move to get him out without killing the future cap

Sort of like when Juwan Howard and his 15 billion dollar contract was traded to the Mavs

 

[dbair1967]

Doesn't hurt anyone but Dan Snyder's pocket book

Having a minimal cap hit this year and a draft pick on top of that

Amazing

A terrible mistake to bring in a guy who clearly did not fit but a nice move to get him out without killing the future cap

Sort of like when Juwan Howard and his 15 billion dollar contract was traded to the Mavs

still doesnt change the fact that the guy you guys thought was the 2nd best safety in football last yr (to the likewise vastly overrated Sean Taylor) is now on another teams roster because he was a mammoth bust

and dont say I am exaggerating either, I saw post after post about this junk on your teams website

David

 

[Big Dakota]

I love it. It's hilarious when the Commanders dump a previous "highest paid" safety for almost nothing - and it's considered a real good thing.

LOL!! Like the guy who marries the girl, spends 20 grand on the wedding and 20 grand on the ring, buys her a new home and a car and then he dumps her when he finds out she can't satisfy him. Then she ends up with his brother and he thinks it was a good deal for him and the jokes on his brother.

 

[Gfunk]

thank God he's gone, that's all I care about

and welcome home Omar

 

[BigDFan5]

We didn't take a caphit and got rid of his ginormous contract.

Again, the Skins front office might not be the smartest at making signings but they are genious when it comes to cap manipulation.

ummm yes you guys did, took a cap hit over 4 million dollars

 

[AmishCowboy]

Well, the fact they got more than a Football for him is a win.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

ummm yes you guys did, took a cap hit over 4 million dollars

No not really, please double check your numbers

Chicago is picking up the 5 million dollar bonus, which means there was some serious restructuring done

He is gone, without the crippling hit and a draft pick out of it

Makes a terrible move easier to swallow

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Well, the fact they got more than a Football for him is a win.

Pretty much how I feel about it

Hey it was a bad bad move to bring him in. Salvage something from it, learn from it, and move on

 

[LowTech]

I love how all the deadskins are making out like they have done something great when all they have done is trade away one of many horrible FA pickups.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

I love how all the deadskins are making out like they have done something great when all they have done is trade away one of many horrible FA pickups.

Nobody thinks this is "great"

However getting something more then a ham sandwhich for him is a plus 1. If we could only do that with Lloyd

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2806226


From John Clayton

Lovie Smith, who was Adam Archuleta's defensive coordinator in St. Louis, has been trying to acquire the safety since becoming the head coach in Chicago.


On Tuesday, the Bears completed a trade with the Commanders for the 29-year-old. Chicago gave up a 2007 draft choice, believed to be in the sixth round.

After five seasons in St. Louis, Archuleta struggled in his first season with the Commanders in 2006 and was scheduled to be a backup this season in Washington.

To complete this complicated deal, the Bears had to rework Archuleta's contract. He had a guaranteed $5 million option bonus due last week, but with hopes of getting a trade, Archuleta delayed the execution of that payout until Wednesday.

Faced with the deadline, everyone worked on getting a deal done. The Bears will pay Archuleta $8.1 million over the next three years. The Commanders rid themselves of his $25 million contract. A total of $5 million of Archuleta's new deal in Chicago is guaranteed.

The Bears were looking for a playmaker at the safety position. Smith created defenses involving Archuleta when they were in St. Louis. In Chicago, Archuleta will have more opportunities to make plays at the line of scrimmage.

The Commanders made another move in the defensive backfield on Tuesday, reaching agreement on a one-year deal with safety Omar Stoutmire. Stoutmire, who played for Washington in 2005, has also played for the Cowboys, Jets, Giants, and Saints in his 10-year NFL career.

 

[BigDFan5]

No not really, please double check your numbers

Chicago is picking up the 5 million dollar bonus, which means there was some serious restructuring done

He is gone, without the crippling hit and a draft pick out of it

Makes a terrible move easier to swallow

You still have to pay the remaining 4 million of his 5 million dollar signing bonus from last year. THAT is acceleratted into the cap

 

[BigDFan5]

No not really, please double check your numbers

Chicago is picking up the 5 million dollar bonus, which means there was some serious restructuring done

He is gone, without the crippling hit and a draft pick out of it

Makes a terrible move easier to swallow

Does The Arch Trade Make Sense To You?

Sorry for the delayed post. I had to make a bunch of calls and write the story for the print edition of the paper and am just getting to this now. Okay, so what I have heard so far is that the Skins get rid of Arch Deluxe for a 6th round pick. They part with someone who, while he stunk last year along with just about everyone else on D, was someome that at least a few front office people in that building believed could have contributed to 2007 in a role more suited to his skillset.

They get back a pick that, judging by the Skins past drafting history, won't be here very long. It's also the third time in recent years they trade someone picked in the first round for a sixth round pick (Patrick Ramsey and Gardner, Rod, anyone?). As one member of the organization put it last night, "When are we ever going to win one of these trades?"

So, instead of The Snyder just cutting this guy a check for $5 million like he promised to do in the original deal (and $$$ is no object right, because Dan is willing to out-spend everyone else, right?) , keeping Arch Deluxe around for insurance, and having him count $2.4 million against the cap, they will likely have him count $4 million in dead cap money on the cap instead (barring any other pre-trade restructurings I am not aware of at this time).

So, in that case he'll count $1.6 million more in dead cap than he would have to simply play here? Interesting.

So, the Commanders gave him $5.6 million for one season, 2006, in which he started just seven games, but the Bears, in a system they know the guy has thrived in in the past, will likely have him counting $1.6 against their cap in 2007.

So the Skins would have him count more than twice against their cap this season NOT TO BE HERE than the Bears will to have him be on the field. Alrighty then.

Okay, the Commanders do get him off the books after 2007, but at what price? Would it have killed them to have kept him around for another year?

Yes, he would count much more against the cap to cut a year from now - so in that regard they save some 2008 cap space - but people in the building also thought he could contribute something in a revamped role and had planned on him being back. With Prioleau back as a cover corner and with the team's cornerback depth finally adequate (can you believe Speed-Rumph actually got another NFL contract?) Arch might have shown something if they could use him as originally planned.

Now, what the Commanders (and by Commanders I mean Snyder and Gibbs) would likely tell you in their defense if they could - and they won't because it would come off as airing dirty laundry - is that people in upper management were convinced that AD was the source for the ESPN article, that he didn't want to be here and that it was time for him to move on. There were also concerns after, sources said, Arch had minor surgery on his ankle in San Francisco this offseason by a specialist he found on his own. He had a bone spur removed and people in Arch's camp have told some they believe the player had an overlooked small stress fracture perhaps; the Commanders were unsure the surgery was necessary at first, if at all, and was just one of a bunch of issues the sides didn't seem to agree on (although that's often the case between players and teams in the NFL in 2007. That's the way it goes).
However, AD also handled the situation with class for much of the season during which he was humiliated and made to be the scapegoat for a defense that had serious issues well beyond him alone. He wasn't causing problems in the locker room and he didn't pout like he could have. His teammates weren't complaining about him and many were as puzzled and you and I about the entire affair.

Was it a perfect marriage? Far from it.

Does this trade make any sense? I don't know, you tell me how it makes them a better team.

Would another year of rebuilding fences and trying to rebuild his confidence in a role he is familiar with been a viable option? Seems like it wouldn't have been the worst idea in the world to me.

Does this trade - a move, like all with the Commanders is purely the domain of Coach Joe and The Snyder - have more to do with non-football issues than what would purely make the most sense from a depth and roster standpoint? Smells that way to me.

Regardless, Arch Deluxe will now undoubtedly go down as the poster boy for the 2006 Commanders and their silly spending, much like Deion did for the 2000 flops. But come on, did Lloyd really do anything more than Arch to merit his $5 million bonus getting picked up lickety split? And, should they actually end up getting Calvin Johnson in the draft, wouldn't Lloyd look much more like surplus to requirements (I love the Brits) than Arch Deluxe did to this safety corps?

Okay, that's a lot of questions I've thrown at ya. My guess is the team will merely put out a press release and move on. when we eventually get a chance to press Coach Joe on the trade he'll say that they did what they thought made sense for the team and for Adam and tried to accommodate the player. And that'll be the end of it.

But it seems awful strange to me. I just don't think The Snyder wanted to cut the dude the check. And that's certainly his prerogative. But that's not how it'll be spun.

Anyway, the Skins have been talking to Omar Stoutmire from what I hear and he got favorable reviews inside the organization and would come pretty cheap I imagine. He could sign here in the next few days providing depth at safety. As for the trade, they have some procedural matters to finalize and Arch will take a physical (may have already done it, not sure). Despite the business with his ankle he passed the Skins physical and I would imagine the Bears would have been fully informed of his offseason procedure before making the trade, so I can't foresee any problems with that.
By Jason La Canfora | March 20, 2007; 10:34 PM ET

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

JLC Post from a guy obsessed
By Jason La Canfora | March 20, 2007; 10:34 PM ET

JLC in typical fashion does not have all the facts. For those of you who call him a Commanders homer you sure do like to use him

Read the Clayton article. He actually has contract figures. JLC is still a bit out of the loop, which is no surprise considering he has been scooped by ES all offseason

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

You still have to pay the remaining 4 million of his 5 million dollar signing bonus from last year. THAT is acceleratted into the cap

For you Big D fan, since you didn't see it the first time

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2806226

Lovie Smith, who was Adam Archuleta's defensive coordinator in St. Louis, has been trying to acquire the safety since becoming the head coach in Chicago.
Adam Archuleta
Archuleta

On Tuesday, the Bears completed a trade with the Commanders for the 29-year-old. Chicago gave up a 2007 draft choice, believed to be in the sixth round.

After five seasons in St. Louis, Archuleta struggled in his first season with the Commanders in 2006 and was scheduled to be a backup this season in Washington.

To complete this complicated deal, the Bears had to rework Archuleta's contract. He had a guaranteed $5 million option bonus due last week, but with hopes of getting a trade, Archuleta delayed the execution of that payout until Wednesday.

Faced with the deadline, everyone worked on getting a deal done. The Bears will pay Archuleta $8.1 million over the next three years. The Commanders rid themselves of his $25 million contract. A total of $5 million of Archuleta's new deal in Chicago is guaranteed.

The Bears were looking for a playmaker at the safety position. Smith created defenses involving Archuleta when they were in St. Louis. In Chicago, Archuleta will have more opportunities to make plays at the line of scrimmage.

The Commanders made another move in the defensive backfield on Tuesday, reaching agreement on a one-year deal with safety Omar Stoutmire. Stoutmire, who played for Washington in 2005, has also played for the Cowboys, Jets, Giants, and Saints in his 10-year NFL career.

 

[zrinkill]

For you Big D fan, since you didn't see it the first time

That said nothing about their salary cap situation.