Schefter: Cardinals will release Antel Rolle

[Hoofbite]

They're letting him go because the escalators from his rookie contract mean he'll be owed 12 million dollars for this year and he definitely is not worth that.

He also doesn't want to renegotiate his contract because he's getting the uncommon chance of going into FA in his prime and in an uncapped year.

The Cards have been trying to negotiate with his agent for a new deal and have pretty much said they'll be in the market to keep him once he reaches FA.

They can't compete.

They're the Cards. Half the league will gladly pay more then they will.

 

[21Savage]

didn't Hamlin miss several games during this span? Maybe Rolle did too.

Tackles do not mean as much.

I just am not sure about footing the bill for a FA like that who has NOT established himself as a true playmaker.

Hamlin missed a couple of games during that period of time. Rolle has also only been a safety for a couple of years. A comparison of their numbers in the last 2 years is an even stronger proof that Rolle is the better player.

 

[21Savage]

They can't compete.

They're the Cards. Half the league will gladly pay more then they will.

Oh, I don't think there's a way he makes it to FA and goes back there. I was just responding to Bob and burm... inquiries.

After hearing his interview at the pro bowl, however, I'm convinced Miami is the front runner for his services. Although, our relationship with Rosenhaus and the competitve state of our team right now could come into play.

I know if he makes a visit to Dallas, he'll be leaving a cowboy

 

[Bluestang]

I am pretty sure that AZ is giving up Rolle because they do not want to have huge $$ tied up in their safeties. Adrian Wilson is already making a big sum as of right now and Rolle looks like he is the typical cap casualty. (even though this year there is no cap when it returns it will handicap teams that are overly-aggressive this year)

Besides in Wade's system both safeties have to be able to cover and if they can cover like corners this is just gravy on the top. It will allow Wade more flexibility with his blitzes. I agree with everyone here - go get this guy.

 

[yimyammer]

They're letting him go because the escalators from his rookie contract mean he'll be owed 12 million dollars for this year and he definitely is not worth that.

He also doesn't want to renegotiate his contract because he's getting the uncommon chance of going into FA in his prime and in an uncapped year.

The Cards have been trying to negotiate with his agent for a new deal and have pretty much said they'll be in the market to keep him once he reaches FA.

thx, that makes a lot of sense

 

[KingintheNorth]

Two things make me feel we have a good chance...

1) He grew up a Cowboys fan.

2) SportingNews did a survey among NFL players this year and the number one team for "Who you would want to play for" was THE DALLAS COWBOYS.

Love or hate Jerry you have to admit that man is a salesman. If Wade and Jerry truly want him, we have a really good shot of landing him.

 

[casmith07]

for the right price, I bet Jerry brings him in.

But my fear is that the price will be too high.

 

[Bluestang]

for the right price, I bet Jerry brings him in.

But my fear is that the price will be too high.

X2 for me...Don't need to break the bank for this guy when there is good talent in the Draft at the S position.

 

[tunahelper]

Yeah, a gift you have to pay for. With a lot of deneros.

Soon to be paid in Amero.

 

[burmafrd]

So no one here knows if he can QB the secondary which Wade has on several occasions said that that is something Hamlin does very well. So unless Rolle can do the same I say pass.

 

[Bluestang]

So no one here knows if he can QB the secondary which Wade has on several occasions said that that is something Hamlin does very well. So unless Rolle can do the same I say pass.

I don't suspect this will be a problem for Rolle, it will take film study to call out routes the CBs need to be aware of from certain formations. Wade's scheme is a Cover 2 Man Under with a straight up Cover 2 zone sprinkled in.

 

[burmafrd]

Its not that simple. Hamlin has shown real ability there. If Rolle cannot do it as well then overall the improvement will be minimal if any.

 

[Hoofbite]

So no one here knows if he can QB the secondary which Wade has on several occasions said that that is something Hamlin does very well. So unless Rolle can do the same I say pass.

Why couldn't he?

And just because Wade says something, doesn't make it true.

Do you believe a 1st round bye in the playoffs is technically a win?

Wade says that because its the only thing he can say that people can't refer to the stats and gameplay to dispute.

Hamlin is the definition of a JAG. He got paid and now he's just doing enough to get by.

Could Hamlin line up the secondary in Seattle? Who knows. Probably no one knew before Ken got to Dallas but it didn't matter because Ken was an upgrade over Keith Davis and the other flock of duds that were out there.

Same thing with Rolle. Nobody knows if he can line the secondary up. Probably part of it has to do with the fact that nobody follows the Cardinals, so why would they know. Saying that nobody knows is cheap way to dispute the situation. Why would anyone know?

Its like saying nobody knows how Ogletree would play if given more than 7 plays per game so he definitely shouldn't get any more than 6. It's weak.

Nobody knows but that is the risk you take to gain a playmaker at a position where you don't have one.

 

[AustnIsMySaviour]

and what if we do sign him, and ET falls to 27? Man I'd be PISSED.

 

[Bluestang]

and what if we do sign him, and ET falls to 27? Man I'd be PISSED.

Then we also take Thomas in the draft...by what Jerry is saying they are taking BPA in round 1. For all we know Thomas can be converted to his original position which was CB.

 

[big dog cowboy]

At 27 he could hold down the position for another 3 years.

Yet you want us to sign a 31 year old running back?

 

[AustnIsMySaviour]

Then we also take Thomas in the draft...by what Jerry is saying they are taking BPA in round 1. For all we know Thomas can be converted to his original position which was CB.

that would be a waste of a pick. Guys like Odrick, Witherspoon etc would be the guys then. You dont draft ET to convert him to safety IMO, there are many quality cb in the later rounds.

 

[Bluestang]

that would be a waste of a pick. Guys like Odrick, Witherspoon etc would be the guys then. You dont draft ET to convert him to safety IMO, there are many quality cb in the later rounds.

Would you rather have an established vet at the FS position or draft a rookie that has to compete for the starting job?

 

[masomenos]

Hamlin was thrown at 15 times, allowed a 60% completion rate for an average of 18.3 YPC. He gave up 1 TD and had 0 INT and 2 deflections.

Rolle was thrown at 34 times, allowed a 58.8% completion rate for an average of 14.2 YPC. He gave up 2 TD and had 4 INT and 2 deflections.

Hamlin made a play on the ball (INT+Def) 13.3% of the time.

Rolle made a play on the ball 17.7% of the time.

If you add weight to the INTs, considering they always end drives and a deflection only has the potential of ending a drive then Rolle's impact increases. As far as play making goes, it seems obvious that Rolle is better. However, like Burm said, his ability to act as the QB of the secondary is a bit of an unknown.

 

[Bluestang]

Hamlin was thrown at 15 times, allowed a 60% completion rate for an average of 18.3 YPC. He gave up 1 TD and had 0 INT and 2 deflections.

Rolle was thrown at 34 times, allowed a 58.8% completion rate for an average of 14.2 YPC. He gave up 2 TD and had 4 INT and 2 deflections.

Hamlin made a play on the ball (INT+Def) 13.3% of the time.

Rolle made a play on the ball 17.7% of the time.

If you add weight to the INTs, considering they always end drives and a deflection only has the potential of ending a drive then Rolle's impact increases. As far as play making goes, it seems obvious that Rolle is better. However, like Burm said, his ability to act as the QB of the secondary is a bit of an unknown.

What about tackling stats? How many times did Hamlin whiff or Rolle? Force fumbles? The biggest category that our D needs improvement on is turnovers...4 > 0.