Schultz = Witten 2.0?

[CowboysExchange]

Damn impressive Schultz can find holes in defenses, and disguise and run routes that fool defenses, don't you think? lol

Oh wait, you're saying getting open is a bad trait ...

So, you think the play calling has been monotonous do you? Well, I'm thrilled with monotony if that's the case.

As for clutch and winning … why again is that only about the TE's?

The mentality is that this is a progression based offense. That the tes are the 5th or 6th skilled player option in targets so it doesn't matter.

But the reality is that every skilled Position is the Number 1 option when it's critical.

It's just a matter of who can draw or beat the coverages and make the plays.

If a skilled player has been on 100 critical or 3rd and 13 plus yard (passing snaps) and he hasn't gotten open or made any plays why not install a play that will give someone else w better skillets to thrive at that down and distance. Like Pollard, or another wr

Why are we trying to win the Play or game w Geoff Swaim when it's a billion to one chance that he can statistically make that receiving play.

Because that's exactly what we did bro for a whole year. It's what we always do. And he never made a play. We did it with all of our tes. Including old slow man Witten.

I understand it wasn't wittens skillet. Even more reason to get his slow pokn self off the field on 3rd and 15. Omg I used Swaim as an example because he got like 1 TD in 13 games but played all of those Passing snaps. Let's pile up stats and we got a bunch of never won beans..

Put a player out there who at least has at least a better statistical chance of making the play.

Football is situational by skillsets and down and distance.

If the te can't do it put a wr or RB like pollard who can.

Ive seen enough of the other skilled players to know they are a better option based upon their total stats and conversion % than Jarwin and Schultz for that down and distance So why are they on the bench on 3rd and 15 or the game is on the line??? lmao. They got a bunch of zeros in black and white right there!!

That's all DC coaching not just MM

I see those tes on every game winning drives and in the end zone.

I don't see any secret sauce ever!!! I woulda went with Dak, Pollard, Zeke, Cooper, Gallop, Lamb

Next would be Wilson or Brown

Then I'd starve those tes on some passing snaps until they popped their Strawberry . Lmao. It's been 10 yrs. Lmao!!

That's some grade school coaching at its finest. Lmao

 

[OmerV]

it's just as much their fault as anybody else right? They got zero winning plays in 10 years. Why do they get a free pass?

You treat it as if it's only the TE's. You don't talk about any other position. Your the one giving free passes - to every player and position but TE

0 winning plays in 10 years? To my knowledge Schultz and Jarwin haven't been around 10 years. I know you like to invoke the name of Geoff Swaim when you talk about this, but Swaim doesn't have the stats in his entire 7 year NFL career that Schultz put up last year alone. You can't judge current players by the failings of past ones.

Why not just admit the TE's are having a big impact on the offense instead of trying to fight something in which all the evidence is working against you?

 

[OmerV]

The mentality is that this is a progression based offense. That the tes are the 5th or 6th skilled player option in targets so it doesn't matter.

But the reality is that every skilled Position is the Number 1 option when it's critical.

It's just a matter of who can draw or beat the coverages and make the plays.

If a skilled player has been on 100 critical or 3rd and 13 plus yard (passing snaps) and he hasn't gotten open or made any plays why not install a play that will give someone else w better skillets to thrive at that down and distance. Like Pollard, or another wr

Why are we trying to win the Play or game w Geoff Swaim when it's a billion to one chance that he can statistically make that receiving play.

Because that's exactly what we did bro for a whole year. It's what we always do. And he never made a play. We did it with all of our tes. Including old slow man Witten.

I understand it wasn't wittens skillet. Even more reason to get his slow pokn self off the field on 3rd and 15. Omg I used Swaim as an example because he got like 1 TD in 13 games but played all of those Passing snaps. Let's pile up stats and we got a bunch of never won beans..

Put a player out there who at least has at least a better statistical chance of making the play.

Football is situational by skillsets and down and distance.

If the te can't do it put a wr or RB like pollard who can.

Ive seen enough of the other skilled players to know they are a better option based upon their total stats and conversion % than Jarwin and Schultz for that down and distance So why are they on the bench on 3rd and 15 or the game is on the line??? lmao. They got a bunch of zeros in black and white right there!!

That's all DC coaching not just MM

I see those tes on every game winning drives and in the end zone.

I don't see any secret sauce ever!!! I woulda went with Dak, Pollard, Zeke, Cooper, Gallop, Lamb

Next would be Wilson or Brown

Then I'd starve those tes on some passing snaps until they popped their Strawberry . Lmao. It's been 10 yrs. Lmao!!

That's some grade school coaching at its finest. Lmao

Clearly this is nonsense. The TE's are getting 27% of the passing targets, and collectively more than any receiver on the team, so clearly they aren't bottom of the progression players you claim.

And there you go talking about Geoff Swaim again - a player who was a starter with Dallas for part of one season 3 years ago and who in his entire 7 year career hasn't accumulated the stats that Schultz did in 2020 alone. It's comical that you consistently bring him up as if he has any even remote relevance in the conversation regarding the team today.

You are a video game fan with no concept of how the game is actually played. It's not a video game, it's not flag football and it's not spread run and shoot offenses. You have no concept of the role of the TE, and the sad thing is you think your video game mind is more relevant than all the O-Coordinators in the NFL that don't have a Kelce or Kittle level TE. It's hugely comical.

 

[Ren]

If he’s twice as good as he has been and plays in that level for the next 15 years we can have this conversation

 

[conner01]

A little too soon to be comparing to a HOF player

 

[CowboysExchange]

Clearly this is nonsense. The TE's are getting 27% of the passing targets, and collectively more than any receiver on the team, so clearly they aren't bottom of the progression players you claim.

And there you go talking about Geoff Swaim again - a player who was a starter with Dallas for part of one season 3 years ago and who in his entire 7 year career hasn't accumulated the stats that Schultz did in 2020 alone. It's comical that you consistently bring him up as if he has any even remote relevance in the conversation regarding the team today.

You are a video game fan with no concept of how the game is actually played. It's not a video game, it's not flag football and it's not spread run and shoot offenses. You have no concept of the role of the TE, and the sad thing is you think your video game mind is more relevant than all the O-Coordinators in the NFL that don't have a Kelce or Kittle level TE. It's hugely comical.

Escobar, Hanna, old man Witten, Gathers, Swaim, Bennett, Fasano, Phillips

I can go on and on of the list of tes who shouldn't be playing on those 3rd and 15's and critical passing snaps based upon their skillsets.

It's not gonna hurt to scale these tes back on passing snaps counts in favor of more 4 wr sets or dual RB and 3 wr sets.

Where are all of these winning stats on 3rd and 15? In the red zone, and on do or die plays with these guys?

They don't exist on paper but they played all of those snaps and ran routes they just didn't win many of those battles.

Beasely had the highest open and catch rate for 2 years and won alot of games for us on paper but didnt get an increase in snaps.

The tes get to play most every snap count for 20 years and the rest of the offense couldn't overcome that mediocrity.

It's always somebody else's fault even though they played every passing snap and came up empty handed? Lmao

Let's just get 4 Mediocre tes and put these wrs on the bench since the position is so potent that it outweighs their skillsets

 

[MRV52]

Better learn to hold on to the ball first, before comparing him to Witten.

 

[CowboysExchange]

Clearly this is nonsense. The TE's are getting 27% of the passing targets, and collectively more than any receiver on the team, so clearly they aren't bottom of the progression players you claim.

And there you go talking about Geoff Swaim again - a player who was a starter with Dallas for part of one season 3 years ago and who in his entire 7 year career hasn't accumulated the stats that Schultz did in 2020 alone. It's comical that you consistently bring him up as if he has any even remote relevance in the conversation regarding the team today.

You are a video game fan with no concept of how the game is actually played. It's not a video game, it's not flag football and it's not spread run and shoot offenses. You have no concept of the role of the TE, and the sad thing is you think your video game mind is more relevant than all the O-Coordinators in the NFL that don't have a Kelce or Kittle level TE. It's hugely comical.

Swaim and old man Witten got 2 -3 tds in the first 2 games and went 0 tds in like 13 games.

We didn't win beans with those so called serviceable tes

 

[Fletch]

He has developed nicely, but lets hold off on that comparison, at least for now lol.

I have to agree with the OP. It’s a comparison of “style of play”, not overall careers. He does play a lot like Witten. He has been our best TE so far this year. He was coming on strong last season, and has exceeded expectations so far this year.
Greg Olsen said it best in last weeks broadcast, “Dak has found his security blanket.” <—— Not word for word, but he did say security blanket when talking up Shultz.

 

[conner01]

Better learn to hold on to the ball first, before comparing him to Witten.

He’s had 2 career fumbles and only one actually called a fumble

 

[conner01]

I have to agree with the OP. It’s a comparison of “style of play”, not overall careers. He does play a lot like Witten. He has been our best TE so far this year. He was coming on strong last season, and has exceeded expectations so far this year.
Greg Olsen said it best in last weeks broadcast, “Dak has found his security blanket.” <—— Not word for word, but he did say security blanket when talking up Shultz.

He much more athletic than Witten was even young
Heck he looks much more athletic than he did his first year
Witten was so great at using his body to block out guys

 

[buybuydandavis]

I'm just happy to see a TE break tackles and run hard.

It seemed like Witten just decided to hit the dirt immediately for the last 7 or 8 years of his career. It was annoying watching other teams TE run hard while Witten went down as soon as he was touched.

And I love Witten.

I want TEs who *look* for contact with the DBs they have 50-60lbs on. TEs should be used to punish DBs and wear them down.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Schultz is clearly a better te than Jarwin. He's


What you're seeing is 2 tes running free drawing no coverage.

Not one of those 4 tds by our tes had a defender covering them.

They were all blown coverages.

Any college te in the NCAA could have made those plays. So don't get too confident.

They took what the defense gave them but they are both still NOT VERY GOOD.

If Carolina had McCaffrey we prolly walk away with a loss.

I'm glad we won but we're still a more potent offense with no tes on the field

They were designed for a man to roam free. Give credit to our OC for dialing up those plays.

 

[OmerV]

Escobar, Hanna, old man Witten, Gathers, Swaim, Bennett, Fasano, Phillips

I can go on and on of the list of tes who shouldn't be playing on those 3rd and 15's and critical passing snaps based upon their skillsets.

It's not gonna hurt to scale these tes back on passing snaps counts in favor of more 4 wr sets or dual RB and 3 wr sets.

Where are all of these winning stats on 3rd and 15? In the red zone, and on do or die plays with these guys?

They don't exist on paper but they played all of those snaps and ran routes they just didn't win many of those battles.

Beasely had the highest open and catch rate for 2 years and won alot of games for us on paper but didnt get an increase in snaps.

The tes get to play most every snap count for 20 years and the rest of the offense couldn't overcome that mediocrity.

It's always somebody else's fault even though they played every passing snap and came up empty handed? Lmao

Let's just get 4 Mediocre tes and put these wrs on the bench since the position is so potent that it outweighs their skillsets

Yep, let's list a lot of 2nd and 3rd teamers that haven't been Cowboys in years, or used under the current coaching staff, and meanwhile ignore that the TE's are showing up huge in the present.

 

[CowboysExchange]

Yep, let's list a lot of 2nd and 3rd teamers that haven't been Cowboys in years, or used under the current coaching staff, and meanwhile ignore that the TE's are showing up huge in the present.

Those were our every passing down tes and you wonder why we've always been mediocre.

None of these checkdown tes ever did squat btw. Witten got that 1 playoff TD against gb in a losing effort for 6 yards and that's it. He played about 6-7 years too long as an everydown receiver.

All them do or die plays when the game or season was on the line he folded like a cheap Suit. He always came up short on those plays. He never could get open when it mattered. It reminds me of the schultz 2 point conversion lmao

Great tes are consistent at making some game changing plays. The problem is none of these tes had the secret sauce to do so but they played them like they could.

Hopefully Schultz will improve his deep ball and RedZone skillsets and be able to make some CONTESTED CATCHES.

 

[OmerV]

Those were our every passing down tes and you wonder why we've always been mediocre.

None of these checkdown tes ever did squat btw. Witten got that 1 playoff TD against gb in a losing effort for 6 yards and that's it. He played about 6-7 years too long as an everydown receiver.

All them do or die plays when the game or season was on the line he folded like a cheap Suit. He always came up short on those plays. He never could get open when it mattered.

No, Gathers, Swaim, Fasono, Phillips, Bennett, Hanna and Escobar were not every passing down TE's. It's ridiculous for you to claim they were. The only one of the bunch you mentioned that was an every passing down TE was Witten, and as you noted, he was aged those last several years.

So, again, none of that translates to today...

* A couple of those guys haven't played for Dallas in a decade or more.
* None of them played under the current coaches
* Witten was the only dedicated starter of the bunch (other than Swaim for part of 1 season, and he was a placeholder)
* Bennett and Witten are the only one's that ever had even one season as good as Schultz last year
* Many didn't put up career stats as good as Schultz single season stats last year.

 

[CowboysExchange]

No, Gathers, Swaim, Fasono, Phillips, Bennett, Hanna and Escobar were not every passing down TE's. It's ridiculous for you to claim they were. The only one of the bunch you mentioned that was an every passing down TE was Witten, and as you noted, he was aged those last several years.

So, again, none of that translates to today. A couple of those guys haven't played for Dallas in a decade or more, none of them played under the current coaches, Witten was the only dedicated starter of the bunch, Bennett and Witten are the only one's that ever had even one season as good as Schultz had last year, and many didn't put up career stats as good as Schultz single season stats last year.

Witten never came off of the field on passing downs so I promise ya there was a te on every down. When some of these tes we're out there there was 2 tes.

 

[OmerV]

Witten never came off of the field on passing downs so I promise ya there was a te on every down. When some of these tes we're out there there was 2 tes.

Oh, you name 8 guys, and claim you were accurate because you what you claimed applied to 1 out of the 8. I'm not sure you can get any more ridiculous.

 

[CowboysExchange]

No, Gathers, Swaim, Fasono, Phillips, Bennett, Hanna and Escobar were not every passing down TE's. It's ridiculous for you to claim they were. The only one of the bunch you mentioned that was an every passing down TE was Witten, and as you noted, he was aged those last several years.



So, again, none of that translates to today...

* A couple of those guys haven't played for Dallas in a decade or more.
* None of them played under the current coaches
* Witten was the only dedicated starter of the bunch (other than Swaim for part of 1 season, and he was a placeholder)
* Bennett and Witten are the only one's that ever had even one season as good as Schultz last year
* Many didn't put up career stats as good as Schultz single season stats last year.

You said the same stuff going back for 7 years Rogers. The scheme hasn't changed even though the coaches have.

Not half of the teams have an exclusive 11 personell te formation that plays every single down like old man Witten did. Not without substitution

There isnt alot of offenses that use a slow checkdown te on 3rd and 16 and hail Marys bro. js lmao

That defies all logic to use a statistically inept player in situations where he doesn't have the skillsets to make the play based upon a pecking order.

If the offense has him running routes on 3rd and long and he's a checkdowner on 1st and 2nd downs only what's the point of designing an inept play and formation like that
















Im just saying why are we sending a te out on

Ok shultz production is fine but he's still not a

That's a DC exclusive btw.

Oh, you name 8 guys, and claim you were accurate because you what you claimed applied to 1 out of the 8. I'm not sure you can get any more ridiculous.

 

[OmerV]

You said the same stuff going back for 7 years Rogers. The scheme hasn't changed even though the coaches have.

Not half of the teams have an exclusive 11 personell te formation that plays every single down like old man Witten did. Not without substitution

There isnt alot of offenses that use a slow checkdown te on 3rd and 16 and hail Marys bro. js lmao

That defies all logic to use a statistically inept player in situations where he doesn't have the skillsets to make the play based upon a pecking order.

If the offense has him running routes on 3rd and long and he's a checkdowner on 1st and 2nd downs only what's the point of designing an inept play and formation like that
















Im just saying why are we sending a te out on

Ok shultz production is fine but he's still not a

That's a DC exclusive btw.

I didn't say anything about a need to use Fasano, Phillips and the whole slew of 2nd and 3rd teamers you named on every passing down, and the fact is we never did use those guys on every passing down the way you claimed a few posts back. That's just another made up commentary to support your narrative.

The facts that (1) you have to keep fabricating things to support your narrative, and (2) you have to talk about things that have no application to the current players or team to support your narrative, says all there is to say about the narrative - as if the fact you claim to know more than every offensive coordinator in football and you have no concept of the role of the TE wasn't enough..