Sean Taylor's felony charges have wrecked several lives

[TEK2000]

I just stated that if he were to be convicted, I would wish it to be in Virginia where the penalty fits the crime. Gun laws in FLA are crazy.

Then again if I were a punk thief who stole some ATVs and the owner pulled a gun in my face, then I probably wouldn't give a damn. I would probably gather up some of my buddies, drive to the guy's house and shoot it to hell. Then a few months later I would steal some more ATVs. Then I would act like a righteous martyr and make a big scene out of something that was my fault to begin with.

And if I were a thief and an attempted murderer, then I probably wouldn't think too much of lying to the police about the guy pulling a gun on me instead of him actually just beating the piss out of me.

So... the Rapist should walk because the girl that got raped happened to be permiscuous?

Point is... you're assessing guilt to HILL and excusing Taylor.

 

[TEK2000]

Where is the evidence he pulled a gun?

Just give me one iota of it, and I agree with you, punish his ***

In Texas though, you all can shoot the fool back

Where is the evidence that he DIDN'T? That argument goes both ways pal.

All you can do is wait for the trial ruling before you starting trying to claim someone is guilty or innocent.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

So... the Rapist should walk because the girl that got raped happened to be permiscuous?

Point is... you're assessing guilt to HILL and excusing Taylor.

Evidence my friend, evidence

The burden of proof is on the state, where is the evidence that Taylor pulled a gun?

No gun has been found. No bullets were fired by Taylor. What evidence, besides Hill's testimony is there that there was a gun?

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Where is the evidence that he DIDN'T? That argument goes both ways pal.

All you can do is wait for the trial ruling before you starting trying to claim someone is guilty or innocent.

The argument does NOT go both ways my friend, not in the American legal system

The burden of proof is always on the state, presumed innocent before being proven guilty

So once again, where is the evidence?

 

[TEK2000]

Evidence my friend, evidence

The burden of proof is on the state, where is the evidence that Taylor pulled a gun?

No gun has been found. No bullets were fired by Taylor. What evidence, besides Hill's testimony is there that there was a gun?

Where is the conviction that Hill is a thief and attempted murder my friend, conviction.

I wasn't trying to imply that Taylor is guilty.. I was more try to get the point across that you guys are quick to discredit Hill and uphold Taylor.

That's a complete double standard you guys are using for this argument.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Where is the conviction that Hill is a thief and attempted murder my friend, conviction.

I wasn't trying to imply that Taylor is guilty.. I was more try to get the point across that you guys are quick to discredit Hill and uphold Taylor.

Once again buddy, the burden of proof is on the state. I am not even talking about Hill's past here either

Is Hill a credible witness? At this point, that is a very shaky question for the state

If you are relying on the word of street thug A against street thug B, can you prove beyond a resonable doubt street thug B is guilty of accused crime?

 

[TEK2000]

Once again buddy, the burden of proof is on the state.

Is Hill a credible witness? At this point, that is a very shaky question for the state

If you are relying on the word of street thug A against street thug B, can you prove beyond a resonable doubt street thug B is guilty of accused crime?

Try reading my post before you reply next time. Reading comprehension fella.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Try reading my post before you reply next time. Reading comprehension fella.

Must not make them as smart down in Texas anymore

Let me ask you this. You are a juror in this trial. Do you convict Sean Taylor on the testimony of Ryan Hill?

 

[TEK2000]

Once again buddy, the burden of proof is on the state. I am not even talking about Hill's past here either

Is Hill a credible witness? At this point, that is a very shaky question for the state

If you are relying on the word of street thug A against street thug B, can you prove beyond a resonable doubt street thug B is guilty of accused crime?

Its always funny to see a complete contradiction in 1 post.

"I'm not talking about his past"

"Is he a credible witness?" Credibility is based on a person's PAST.

 

[TEK2000]

Must not make them as smart down in Texas anymore

Let me ask you this. You are a juror in this trial. Do you convict Sean Taylor on the testimony of Ryan Hill?

Ryan Hill's testimony may not be the only EVIDENCE in this case.

THUS the reason why I said "All you can do is wait till the trial to proclaim guilt or innocence"

Try to get your stuff straight before you criticize my intelligence.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Its always funny to see a complete contradiction in 1 post.

"I'm not talking about his past"

"Is he a credible witness?" Credibility is based on a person's PAST.

Well tell me. Is he? Ultimately that is what this trial comes down to

 

[TEK2000]

Well tell me. Is he? Ultimately that is what this trial comes down to

Not necessarily true... I'd have to be sitting in the jury box hearing ALL the evidence before I formed an opinion.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Ryan Hill's testimony may not be the only EVIDENCE in this case.

THUS the reason why I said "All you can do is wait till the trial to proclaim guilt or innocence"

Try to get your stuff straight before you criticize my intelligence.

I guess you are not a lawyer type

Evidence is generally presented in pre trial depositions. I.E the defense knows the evidence the prosecution has, and the prosecution knows the evidence the defense has

The defense knows who the prosecutor will call to the stand, the prosecutor knows who the defense will bring to the stand

Its not like the movies where a "surprise" witness or "surprise" evidence appears

Why do you think Johnny Cochran was ready with "if it does not fit, you must acquit"

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Not necessarily true... I'd have to be sitting in the jury box hearing ALL the evidence before I formed an opinion.

What OTHER evidence is there?

No gun found

No shots fired by Taylor

No pictures taken

There is no physical evidence that has been presented in pre-trial depositions

And, is Ryan Hill a credible witness? I want to know your answer on that

 

[TEK2000]

I guess you are not a lawyer type

Evidence is generally presented in pre trial depositions. I.E the defense knows the evidence the prosecution has, and the prosecution knows the evidence the defense has

The defense knows who the prosecutor will call to the stand, the prosecutor knows who the defense will bring to the stand

Its not like the movies where a "surprise" witness or "surprise" evidence appears

Why do you think Johnny Cochran was ready with "if it does not fit, you must acquit"

I guess you're a lawyer? Do they allow Lawyers to discuss ALL details of the case in the media BEFORE the trial begins.

 

[Hostile]

What OTHER evidence is there?

No gun found

No shots fired by Taylor

No pictures taken

There is no physical evidence that has been presented in pre-trial depositions

Have you ever heard of a trial? The man's entitled to one and going to get it. The US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Good reading. Try it some time.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

I guess you're a lawyer? Do they allow Lawyers to discuss ALL details of the case in the media BEFORE the trial begins.

I slept in a holiday inn last night

I have however gone through a civil trial and a criminal trial (got nailed by a drunk driver on October 5th, 2001 by fairfax hospital in Northern Virginia. Resulted in both a criminal and civil case)

In each case, all the evidence and testimony was presented in pre trial depositions. I had met the defense attorney's long before the trial and knew exactly what they were going to ask me and try and corner me with, because they tried to in pretrial depositions

I knew what evidence was going to be used to help their guy get off

The prosecution in this case would not hide the fact that it had say a picture of Sean Taylor holding a gun in Ryan Hill's face.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Have you ever heard of a trial? The man's entitled to one and going to get it. The US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Good reading. Try it some time.

It is isn't it

Luckily, he doesn't have members of this board on his jury or else he'd be seeing 46 years in jail

 

[TEK2000]

I slept in a holiday inn last night

I have however gone through a civil trial and a criminal trial (got nailed by a drunk driver on October 5th, 2001 by fairfax hospital in Northern Virginia. Resulted in both a criminal and civil case)

In each case, all the evidence and testimony was presented in pre trial depositions. I had met the defense attorney's long before the trial and knew exactly what they were going to ask me and try and corner me with, because they tried to in pretrial depositions

I knew what evidence was going to be used to help their guy get off

The prosecution in this case would not hide the fact that it had say a picture of Sean Taylor holding a gun in Ryan Hill's face.

Ok then.. do us all a favor and post a copy of these PRE-TRIAL DEPOSITIONS so we can get a look at ALL the evidence and details of the case!

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

To sum up this very enjoyable debate, thanks for keeping it civil tek, I do appreciate that

I am arguing here 2 things

1) The trial hinges on the jury's perception of Hill as a credible witness

2) The state has the burden of proof to prove beyond a resonable doubt Taylor is guilty

We will see what happens

As for me, 12:34 east coast time and my *** has a long day at work tommorow

Peace fellas