Shawn Merriman *Several Merged Threads*

AdamJT13 said:
Did you see Leftwich getting sacked six times by Ware's teammates Sunday?

Did you see the entire pocket collapsing around Leftwich?

Did you see Leftwich bouncing off two other guys and right to Ware?

If not, then it is valid. San Diego has better pass-rushers around Merriman, and he benefits greatly from them -- just as he did last season. All of Ware's sacks have come with very little or no help from anyone else on our defense. It's almost the opposite for Merriman.
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So we're frauds. Thanks for confirming my worst suspicions.
 
AdamJT13 said:
Did you see Leftwich getting sacked six times by Ware's teammates Sunday?

Did you see the entire pocket collapsing around Leftwich?

Did you see Leftwich bouncing off two other guys and right to Ware?

If not, then it is valid. San Diego has better pass-rushers around Merriman, and he benefits greatly from them -- just as he did last season. All of Ware's sacks have come with very little or no help from anyone else on our defense. It's almost the opposite for Merriman.
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I agree, although I still don't think we bring enough pressure. Ware does need more help on our team, which does temper the comparison. But what we really need to think about is how we can get more pressure from this D.
 
I vote hatcher to rush the passer opposite Ware in nickel situations.
 
summerisfunner said:
you're Italian? nice, although I heard most were gay
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A sexual orientation putdown, eh? Enjoy your well-deserved, imminent suspension. Say hi to Rack when you get there.
 
AdamJT13 said:
Did you see Leftwich getting sacked six times by Ware's teammates Sunday?

Did you see the entire pocket collapsing around Leftwich?

Did you see Leftwich bouncing off two other guys and right to Ware?

If not, then it is valid. San Diego has better pass-rushers around Merriman, and he benefits greatly from them -- just as he did last season. All of Ware's sacks have come with very little or no help from anyone else on our defense. It's almost the opposite for Merriman.
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There's no doubt SD has better talent around Merriman.

But Merriman still makes plays happen - the defense focuses on him and he often fights off double teams, opening things up for the other blitzers and d-lineman.

FAR too often, Ware bursts off the line and then runs right around the QB because he got pushed out of the play by the tackle.

That wouldn't change whether we were getting a passrush with other plays or not, it's all because Ware has no move other than a bullrush.
 
I don't think we are pretenders, but the chargers definitely looked quicker off the ball. I think it is the passive nature of our D. Makes me think of the old flex D. Our D is safer at not giving up a big play, but it also doesn't make plays either.

You talk about the raiders being horrible, and they are, although I doubt they are the worse in the league. But an attacking style of D really made them look bad tonight.

With our more passive D, we wouldn't have had the sack totals they had, and wouldn't have made the home fans start to go home in the 3rd quarter.
 
Bob Dole said:
There's no doubt SD has better talent around Merriman.

But Merriman still makes plays happen - the defense focuses on him and he often fights off double teams, opening things up for the other blitzers and d-lineman.

FAR too often, Ware bursts off the line and then runs right around the QB because he got pushed out of the play by the tackle.

That wouldn't change whether we were getting a passrush with other plays or not, it's all because Ware has no move other than a bullrush.
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Nothing but a bull rush, huh? So you've never seen Ware beat a tackle around the corner? It's only happened on, oh, almost every sack he's had in his career.

Merriman certainly didn't fight off any double-teams for his sacks, and he didn't use any great pass-rush moves, either.
 
AdamJT13 said:
Nothing but a bull rush, huh? So you've never seen Ware beat a tackle around the corner? It's only happened on, oh, almost every sack he's had in his career.

Merriman certainly didn't fight off any double-teams for his sacks, and he didn't use any great pass-rush moves, either.
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Question Adam, listening to what you say about Merriman having more help, do you think that is in talent & ability or in the scheme & tendencies of the defensive coordinator??

Reason why I ask your opinion is cause you keep on mentioning how he has more talent around him.

I don't see them being that much better than us in talent, but I do think their attacking scheme does help showcase Merriman, while ours makes life real difficult for Ware.
 
Last year people were complaining that we had Ware too one dimensional and we need to move him around and allow him to do more things, like the way the Chargers move Merriman around. Now we need to go back to using him one dimensional?

It doesn't matter how you utilize Ware, he'll never be able to do the things Merriman does ... and that's not a knock on Ware, its just a fact about Merriman. Merriman is a natural 275. Ware will never be that. Ware has to set up his bull rush with his speed to get an offensive lineman leaning and off balance. Merriman doesn't need to set up anything. He can run right through you anytime he wants. Merriman also has a nasty disposition while Ware has a bit timid streak. Yes, the Oakland OL is not good, but I saw him do the same thing to Indy last year.
 
AdamJT13 said:
Did you see Leftwich getting sacked six times by Ware's teammates Sunday?

Did you see the entire pocket collapsing around Leftwich?

Did you see Leftwich bouncing off two other guys and right to Ware?

If not, then it is valid. San Diego has better pass-rushers around Merriman, and he benefits greatly from them -- just as he did last season. All of Ware's sacks have come with very little or no help from anyone else on our defense. It's almost the opposite for Merriman.
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And that is the PROBLEM with the cowoby's DEFENSE
 
Deep_Freeze said:
Question Adam, listening to what you say about Merriman having more help, do you think that is in talent & ability or in the scheme & tendencies of the defensive coordinator??

Reason why I ask your opinion is cause you keep on mentioning how he has more talent around him.

I don't see them being that much better than us in talent, but I do think their attacking scheme does help showcase Merriman, while ours makes life real difficult for Ware.
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It's probably some of both. It might be more scheme than talent, or the other way around. Either way, though, Ware has had to earn every one of his sacks basically all by himself. Merriman has gotten most of his with plenty of help from other players' pressure. And he has far more of that help than Ware has ever had -- whatever the reason is.
 
AdamJT13 said:
It's probably some of both. It might be more scheme than talent, or the other way around. Either way, though, Ware has had to earn every one of his sacks basically all by himself. Merriman has gotten most of his with plenty of help from other players' pressure. And he has far more of that help than Ware has ever had -- whatever the reason is.
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I just know that we have to get more pressure on the QB, some kinda way. It will make our D force turnovers, put our offense in a good position, and such.

I believe this can be done if we bring 5 guys more often. We bring 4, far to often, with the fourth always being Ware. It is just too predictable.

True enough, we all know Merriman is rushing the passer. But one of the best qualities of the 3-4 is that you don't know where the pass rush is coming from.

If we bring Ware, bring James one time. Bring Ware, then bring Ellis. Bring Ware, bring Awhatshisname. I'm saying do that more often, is all, not all the time, but every other set of downs should include it at the least.
 
Obviously I am biased and a Merriman fan. However lets not over-rate the piss poor OL that the Panthers have either.

They went to the NFCCG and got punked by a Seattle team with a good not great defense.

Carolina beat a Giants team with LB issues across the board and a first year QB, and beat a Chicago team who for some reason thought their secondary was so good they could play straight man on Smith (with no help over the top, HELLO !, does Jake throw to anyone else ?) , not to mention the BEARS had no offense.

I wont take anything away from Carolina's Defense last year, but on offense they were completely one-dimensional.

I do think that Ware is a more disciplined player, but I certainly wont yield that he has better upside. If anything Merriman clearly has better upside.

Not saying that Ware is a scrub of anything, I personally think he will become one of the best players out of that draft. Almost 6 of one, half dozen of the other really.

Some players just know how to turn it on. Merriman already has that. Off the field he is one of the most laid back guys you ever want to meet, and a true student of the game, you have to appreciate his dedication to his craft.
 
bbgun said:
Just be glad the Skins didn't nab him at #9.
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True, although in the 4-3 that the skins run, Merriman would probably be less effective cause he would rush the passer far less.
 
Deep_Freeze said:
True, although in the 4-3 that the skins run, Merriman would probably be less effective cause he would rush the passer far less.
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or they would put him at DE, even better ;)
 
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