Should Cowboys rethink Hardy situation?

[cowboyblue22]

for me he was never worth the bad pr and trouble he brought to dallas this was a move my jerry that he thought he was a pass rusher away from winning a superbowl and that wasn't the case after he dumped the running game and all the injuries.

 

[casmith07]

I don't know that is career is over but that's how I see it. Hardy cracked at some point and quit playing hard, then burned the bridge (and by "bridge", I mean "weed") by pulling young guys like Gregory down with him.

Its not hard to picture Hardy cracking under the national media calling him a monster 24/7 based on BS, there are a hundred examples of people who committed suicide after a BS press event or a false criminal charge. It doesn't make it right, but I can see how it happened.

The real shame is that Hardy could have been a very successful gamble by the team and it looked like it was during the NE game. But I really think the downfall began when ESPN ran the Holder photos and kicked it back into national news. He seems to quit mentally and physically after that.

I think he's just a butthead, essentially. I don't buy that the story went down like the national media made it out to be - I think they seized an opportunity to have an easy villain for the movement against domestic violence. It's unfortunate that it happened to be surrounding our Dallas Cowboys at the time, but I can't fault them for browbeating the story.

Thing is, when you're a butthead and you don't play hard, AND you screw up your employer's chemistry...you gots to go. And you develop a bad name for yourself going forward, too.

 

[Nightman]

pretty much.

If you disagree then you are either misinformed or not a Cowboys fan.

Hardy doesn't bring any value.

Except that he was our best defensive player last year

He didn't play motivated at the end of the year, but no one did on D

 

[Nova]

Except that he was our best defensive player last year

He didn't play motivated at the end of the year, but no one did on D

Sorry. Every player intrinsically has value. What I meant to convey was that his value is not high enough to put up with his BS any longer.

 

[Nova]

Or maybe he's not and that's just him being made a PC example of by the league and certain media elements. Malcolm X was also a "terrible person" in the media too.

Rumors don't mean anything to me. All this "leaked" information after the fact by anonymous sources and without verification on the record I couldn't give two turds about.

Hardy being out of the league has less to do with his time on the Cowboys and more to do with the domestic violence issue and the baggage that comes with it.

It doesn't matter if you buy the reasoning or not. He's not on the team because Garrett doesn't want him to be.

But I disagree wholeheartedly with your assessment. If the DV thing was such a big issue for our FO we wouldn't have even brought him on board in the first place. We wouldn't have stuck with him.

Dude just wasn't worth all the sum of all his negative elements.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

10 pages minimum.

It stands at 9 and counting. Good call. Lol

 

[jobberone]

It doesn't matter if you buy the reasoning or not. He's not on the team because Garrett doesn't want him to be.

But I disagree wholeheartedly with your assessment. If the DV thing was such a big issue for our FO we wouldn't have even brought him on board in the first place. We wouldn't have stuck with him.

Dude just wasn't worth all the sum of all his negative elements.

Exactly. And the fact he isn't already on another team gives credence to the evaluation of the staff and most likely their relationships with other staff across the league.

Still he's good enough he may get another chance. I hope he realizes IF he does he better make the most of it.

 

[Kaiser]

I think he's just a butthead, essentially. I don't buy that the story went down like the national media made it out to be - I think they seized an opportunity to have an easy villain for the movement against domestic violence. It's unfortunate that it happened to be surrounding our Dallas Cowboys at the time, but I can't fault them for browbeating the story.

I think he is more of a knucklehead than a butthead, but that is a distinction without a difference. I think there are a lot of things that lead to this situation - the NC DA should have said the case was dropped because the witness wasn't credible. The NFL only went after him because he was "next man up" after they got caught in the Ray Rice Fiasco. The major media like ESPN sensationalized it without doing ten minutes of research because... well, because that's what they do.

That why I mention there are a hundred other cases where people have committed suicide after they have been wrongly accused or wrongly made the focus of a media firestorm. If you google the 2001 MD Anthrax case or the Nancy Grace show you can find good examples.

I blame Hardy for cracking under pressure, but at the same time its understandable that he would.

 

[rpntex]

I'll ask you, what facts have we gotten about Hardy being this "locker room presence"? What exactly is he proven to have done? That's what bothers me, there isn't anything. Nothing other than a few rumors and two documented times when he was late. If there was anything more substantial, fine. But there isn't.



I agree that Jones is a problem there. In fact, if not for Jones, I don't think Hardy would have ever been here. And that's why Garrett's RKG talk means nothing and has no teeth. He'd like to have certain types of players around and does for the most part, and then Jones decides to force one or two on him from time to time who aren't.

I think you and I both know there are no "facts" to prove that Hardy was a locker room problem. Nobody - neither coaches nor teammates - will throw another player under the bus (publicly, at least). So we're never going to see any proof, per se. That being said, the old saying "where there's smoke, there's fire" applies here. While nothing has been confirmed publicly, there's been a ton of "smoke".

 

[Stash]

I think you and I both know there are no "facts" to prove that Hardy was a locker room problem. Nobody - neither coaches nor teammates - will throw another player under the bus (publicly, at least). So we're never going to see any proof, per se. That being said, the old saying "where there's smoke, there's fire" applies here. While nothing has been confirmed publicly, there's been a ton of "smoke".

And that "smoke" isn't enough for this fan. Not enough to justify further weakening this team at what is already your weakest position. It may be all that some fans need, especially those who never wanted him here, but it's not for me. I'd like to see something more substantial as reason for getting rid of your best pass rusher.

 

[SultanOfSix]

It doesn't matter if you buy the reasoning or not. He's not on the team because Garrett doesn't want him to be.

But I disagree wholeheartedly with your assessment. If the DV thing was such a big issue for our FO we wouldn't have even brought him on board in the first place. We wouldn't have stuck with him.

Dude just wasn't worth all the sum of all his negative elements.

I'm not sure where I disagreed with the notion that he's not on the team because Garrett doesn't want him on it. I'm pretty sure that was implied in everything I wrote by stating that he couldn't or didn't want to handle him.

The DV issue obviously wasn't initially significant enough to allow the team to take a chance on him, otherwise they wouldn't have done so. While he was on the team it still remained a persistent issue in the media throughout his tenure here which became problematic for both Hardy and the team, something both parties did not foresee. This was also implied in my previous posts.

Hardy remains out of the league because of the DV issue and how it impacted him and the organization. There were few suitors last year because of it and there is now even fewer suitors this year because of it.

No one said it was the only reason, but the primary reason, both due to its PC nature and how it impacts all parties involved.

 

[Bullflop]

Re-thinking Hardy is no longer an issue for the Cowboys organization and is strictly a non-issue for the fans as well. The Cowboys organization has already decided to divest themselves of Hardy. Any revisiting of this former issue by the fan base is strictly a waste of time at this juncture. This case is and has been closed for some time now. I'm truly sorry for those of you who would like to reopen the case but there's quite simply nothing left to discuss on the subject at this point in time. That ship has already sailed and sunk to the bottom long ago. Once again -- case closed, live with it.

 

[ragman]

I vote no. That ship has sailed. Let's move on.

 

[big dog cowboy]

And that "smoke" isn't enough for this fan. Not enough to justify further weakening this team at what is already your weakest position. It may be all that some fans need, especially those who never wanted him here, but it's not for me. I'd like to see something more substantial as reason for getting rid of your best pass rusher.

"The problem for the Cowboys is that Hardy partied a lot during the season and was not in great physical shape as the season wore on and on and on. That was part of the reason he was tardy to several meetings during the season and part of the reason why the team felt so distracted by his presence."

http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/NFL/2016/01/28/Dallas-Cowboys-wont-re-sign-Greg-Hardy/4731454028538/

According to Bleacher Report, the Cowboys aren't expected to re-sign him as a free agent. The report revealed that the front office, led by owner Jerry Jones, felt he just partied too much during the course of the regular season, causing him to be out of shape.

After a four-game suspension stemming from a domestic violence issue involving his girlfriend during his time with the Carolina Panthers, he played in 12 games for the Cowboys, producing six sacks. But his troubles didn't end after the suspension. Shortly after, he made sexist comments about Gisele Bundchen, the wife of New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady. After that, his name was involved in an alleged altercation with his own teammates, including Dez Bryant and Devin Street.

There are claims that Hardy was simply too much of a distraction for the team and his presence created hostility with teammates. According to the same report, he had several altercations and shouting matches with his teammates in the sidelines during actual games.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/d...e-sign-greg-hardy-156350/#M7a72aXftGj0KtB0.99

Bottom line for me...The Cowboys were willing to give Hardy a chance but never received the type of production they expected. Especially given what he signed for. He had only two sacks in the last eight games of the season. Given the issues mentioned above it would be a surprise if any team offered him a deal.

 

[rpntex]

And that "smoke" isn't enough for this fan. Not enough to justify further weakening this team at what is already your weakest position. It may be all that some fans need, especially those who never wanted him here, but it's not for me. I'd like to see something more substantial as reason for getting rid of your best pass rusher.

Oh, I get that, but "this fan", nor "this one" (me), does not make personnel decisions for the Dallas Cowboys. And stuff that happens behind closed doors in a locker room just isn't go into be made public. It doesn't happen in Dallas or anywhere else either. Sometime in the future - say, 10-15 years from now - someone will write a tell-all "Boys Will Be Boys - the Tony Romo Years". Maybe then all this about Hardy will be confirmed. Until then, don't hold your breath.

 

[Clarkson]

And that "smoke" isn't enough for this fan. Not enough to justify further weakening this team at what is already your weakest position. It may be all that some fans need, especially those who never wanted him here, but it's not for me. I'd like to see something more substantial as reason for getting rid of your best pass rusher.

you're also a fan who knows the situation 1/1000 as intimately as you apparently think you do.

pass rusher is one of the most sought-after positions in the game and he can't find work anywhere. it says a lot.

 

[big dog cowboy]

pass rusher is one of the most sought-after positions in the game and he can't find work anywhere. it says a lot.

2 sacks in 8 games isn't anything special. Maybe he isn't what he used to be anymore.

 

[Clarkson]

Greg Hardy is not being re-signed by us or signed anyone else for very good reason. He has himself to blame, and that's it. No one else. Sacks are gold in the NFL and he can't find work.

 

[Stash]

you're also a fan who knows the situation 1/1000 as intimately as you apparently think you do.

And that's exactly the point you're apparently missing. I don't know what happened. And that's the problem I'm having. I have no way of knowing whether or not his actions did or did warrant him being sent on his way and this team weakening an already weak position. But you rush to defend 'your team' all the same, 'Go Cowboys!'

pass rusher is one of the most sought-after positions in the game and he can't find work anywhere. it says a lot.

It said as much last year when 31 other teams weren't signing him either. Just because the Cowboys added their names to that list isn't any revelation. They were OK with signing him last year when nobody else would. Ridiculous that they should stand on any moral high horse now.

 

[Clarkson]

And that's exactly the point you're apparently missing. I don't know what happened. And that's the problem I'm having. I have no way of knowing whether or not his actions did or did warrant him being sent on his way and this team weakening an already weak position. But you rush to defend 'your team' all the same, 'Go Cowboys!'



It said as much last year when 31 other teams weren't signing him either. Just because the Cowboys added their names to that list isn't any revelation. They were OK with signing him last year when nobody else would. Ridiculous that they should stand on any moral high horse now.

I don't understand what you don't understand about this. it's not about moral high ground. it's about how he was in the locker room. it's about how he responded to situations. it's about his work ethic. they brought him in and determined, over time, that he isn't worth it. he isn't worth the headache he is, he isn't worth the media attention. they saw it up close, first-hand, and came to same conclusion every other team in the league has apparently come to. you know less than half as much as the teams do. your job isn't on the line here on cowboyszone.