Should Cowboys rethink Hardy situation?

[skinsscalper]

I never said otherwise. I guess you're using this in an attempt to divert the conversation?



Oh yeah, real "leaders" there. What role models...Again, you only get to lie to yourself.



And you keep making up whatever story you'd like, based on nothing but rumors and innuendo, because it fits your agenda. 31 teams wouldn't touch Hardy before. Now that it's 32 it's some revelation? And the nonsense continues, 31 teams wouldn't touch him based on the DV accusation, and "it has little to do with it"? What a joke! But since Garrett doesn't want him in Dallas, has "everything" to do with it. What utter nonsense!




The only thing "funny" here is the joke case you're trying and failing to make. The fact that you'd like to ignore is that 31 teams weren't signing him before based on the allegations. But now that there's one more on the list, you want to treat it as some revelation or validation. Fail.

And because you don't like Greg Hardy the person, you have to try to tell yourself that the man can't play football. An outright lie. The bad news for you is that you can only lie to yourself, not anyone else.

Bbbbbut wait: 31 teams weren't going to sign him before? You mean none of those teams with "strong coaches" could handle Hardy even BEFORE Dallas signed him? What the hell is wrong with them? Don't they recognize his Pro Bow talent? Aren't "strong coaches" supposed to "make it work with guys like Greg Hardy?

And here is the biggest failure in the entire history of this board: you mean to tell me that Taylor, Haley and Irvin weren't leaders of their teams? Really? I never said boy scouts. I said leaders. It didn't matter what they did Monday through Saturday. They produced on Sunday, elevated the play of their peers, and demanded excellence from the rest of their teammates. Ask any teammate of Irvin, Taylor, or Haley if they were leaders of their teams. Pretending that Hardy is even close to ANY of those players in that regard is an absolute joke. That argument alone demonstrates the you're simply not intellectually equipped for this conversation. Unreal level of stupid, right there.

You keep bringing up this mantra that I hate Greg Hardy. I already said that I spent an entire off-season sticking up for the guy. Here's what I actually hate: I hate that blew his opportunity here. I hate that he didn't hold himself more accountable for his actions on and off the field. I hate that he never stepped up and became a leader. I hate that there are people that are stupid enough to believe that knocking a clip board out of a coaches hand actually makes him one. I hate that people keep bringing up what he WAS (a double digit sack guy) and completely ignore who he actually IS (a 6 sack malcontent without a lick of accountability to himself or his teammates nor the mental fortitude to handle personal or professional adversity). If that means that I hate the player? Then yep. Hate his guts. Glad his *** is on the streets.

 

[Stash]

Bbbbbut wait: 31 teams weren't going to sign him before? You mean none of those teams with "strong coaches" could handle Hardy even BEFORE Dallas signed him? What the hell is wrong with them? Don't they recognize his Pro Bow talent? Aren't "strong coaches" supposed to "make it work with guys like Greg Hardy?

They weren't signing him before based on the allegations, not any nonsense that he's night a good player like you're trying to spew. Other owners wanted no part of him because of the off-field perceptions. Jones and Dallas did.

And here is the biggest failure in the entire history of this board: you mean to tell me that Taylor, Haley and Irvin weren't leaders of their teams? Really? I never said boy scouts. I said leaders. It didn't matter what they did Monday through Saturday. They produced on Sunday, elevated the play of their peers, and demanded excellence from the rest of their teammates. Ask any teammate of Irvin, Taylor, or Haley if they were leaders of their teams. Pretending that Hardy is even close to ANY of those players in that regard is an absolute joke. That argument alone demonstrates the you're simply not intellectually equipped for this conversation. Unreal level of stupid, right there.

I said player, not leader. That's an asinine assumption you're trying to make to support a failed case.

You keep bringing up this mantra that I hate Greg Hardy. I already said that I spent an entire off-season sticking up for the guy. Here's what I actually hate: I hate that blew his opportunity here. I hate that he didn't hold himself more accountable for his actions on and off the field. I hate that he never stepped up and became a leader. I hate that there are people that are stupid enough to believe that knocking a clip board out of a coaches hand actually makes him one. I hate that people keep bringing up what he WAS (a double digit sack guy) and completely ignore who he actually IS (a 6 sack malcontent without a lick of accountability to himself or his teammates nor the mental fortitude to handle personal or professional adversity). If that means that I hate the player? Then yep. Hate his guts. Glad his *** is on the streets.

For the record, I hate that he blew his opportunity here too. Everybody loses.

 

[Nightman]

Nobody's doing that. We're saying that stronger coaches have handled more troubled players. That's fact. Documented things that guys like Haley, Irvin, and Lawrence Taylor have done are far worse than whatever Hardy is alleged to have done in Dallas. Johnson and Parcells handled it, Garrett didn't.



And I'd really like to know if it was for a valid, justifiable reason, or because a soft coach couldn't handle a difficult player. History has shown me that Garrett doesn't handle high-maintenance players or adversity well.



The other 31 teams were doing that before, based on his prior situation. The fact that one more team has joined that list isn't validation for Dallas' reasoning. The frustrating part is that if the rumors are true, the team should make them public, bury a 'malcontent' once and for all, and make sure he never collects another NFL paycheck. I'd be fine with that. But this 'high road' nonsense where they refuse to divulge the real information just makes everyone look bad.

That is it......nobody can just be honest and say that Hardy didn't do anything wrong

DAL just wants a do-over where they never signed him in the first place.....but the facts are they did sign him and they did make him take a terrible contract and they did try their best to publicly scold him over stupid tweets and meaningless quotes......how many times did JG say he talked to him like he was a child....the pictures changes nothing except shrinking JJones cojones

But every one of us were going crazy when he treating Brady like a pinata...it wasn't his fault the season went to crap......he could have pulled a Brady and challenged his suspension to the Supreme Court but he took the medicine so it would go away and not hurt DAL any more....I have never seen a team turn on a guy so fast

I am firmly in the 1% that feels he didn't do anything wrong in the first place, but even if he had a drunken argument with a Fatal Attraction he doesn't deserve what has been heaped on him...getting black-balled for something he already paid dearly for is just kicking a man when he is down....if APeterson can still play and Aldon Smith and Terrell Suggs and James Harrison and Big Ben, then there is room for Hardy..

 

[skinsscalper]

I said player, not leader. That's an asinine assumption you're trying to make to support a failed case.

Oh yeah, real "leaders" there. What role models...Again, you only get to lie to yourself.

Dude, now you can't even keep up with your own posts. For real, stash?

I'm over it, bro. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. We DO agree on one thing. It does suck that he blew his shot here. I would have loved nothing more than for the guy to come in here and rip the entire league a new ***. Twas not to be, unfortunately. I think that's why I'm so pissed about the whole thing. I was "all in" on Greg Hardy. My emotional investment (for a lack of a better term) in Hardy was as deep as it's been for any newcomer since probably T.O. When he completely blew it, it was a MAJOR freaking bummer. I just couldn't believe that his strategy from day one was: ****** bag. Ughh. I don't even like to think about it.

For the record, you're still one of my dude's, stash. We agree on a hell of a lot more than we disagree. Even though we get salty with each other once in a while, I can't quit you, homie. Let's see: You had me at hello? You complete me? O.K. now it's just getting weird. Take care, brutha.

 

[Hoofbite]

Nope. Next question.

 

[Stash]

That is it......nobody can just be honest and say that Hardy didn't do anything wrong

DAL just wants a do-over where they never signed him in the first place.....but the facts are they did sign him and they did make him take a terrible contract and they did try their best to publicly scold him over stupid tweets and meaningless quotes......how many times did JG say he talked to him like he was a child....the pictures changes nothing except shrinking JJones cojones

But every one of us were going crazy when he treating Brady like a pinata...it wasn't his fault the season went to crap......he could have pulled a Brady and challenged his suspension to the Supreme Court but he took the medicine so it would go away and not hurt DAL any more....I have never seen a team turn on a guy so fast

I am firmly in the 1% that feels he didn't do anything wrong in the first place, but even if he had a drunken argument with a Fatal Attraction he doesn't deserve what has been heaped on him...getting black-balled for something he already paid dearly for is just kicking a man when he is down....if APeterson can still play and Aldon Smith and Terrell Suggs and James Harrison and Big Ben, then there is room for Hardy..

Overall, I agree with you.

And maybe that's why we can't get the whole story and the truth?

Because people would either see that his actual infractions were nothing and expose a coach who can't handle anything less than ideal circumstances, or maybe they would see that Hardy's actions were terrible, and he should have been cut last year, but a dysfunctional structure failed to do that?

I honestly can't see any other reason for the truth to be hidden.

 

[Stash]

Dude, now you can't even keep up with your own posts. For real, stash?

I'm over it, bro. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. We DO agree on one thing. It does suck that he blew his shot here. I would have loved nothing more than for the guy to come in here and rip the entire league a new ***. Twas not to be, unfortunately. I think that's why I'm so pissed about the whole thing. I was "all in" on Greg Hardy. My emotional investment (for a lack of a better term) in Hardy was as deep as it's been for any newcomer since probably T.O. When he completely blew it, it was a MAJOR freaking bummer. I just couldn't believe that his strategy from day one was: ****** bag. Ughh. I don't even like to think about it.

For the record, you're still one of my dude's, stash. We agree on a hell of a lot more than we disagree. Even though we get salty with each other once in a while, I can't quit you, homie. Let's see: You had me at hello? You complete me? O.K. now it's just getting weird. Take care, brutha.

You as well. Thanks for an enthusiastic debate!

 

[big dog cowboy]

Bbbbbut wait: 31 teams weren't going to sign him before? You mean none of those teams with "strong coaches" could handle Hardy even BEFORE Dallas signed him? What the hell is wrong with them? Don't they recognize his Pro Bow talent? Aren't "strong coaches" supposed to "make it work with guys like Greg Hardy?

And here is the biggest failure in the entire history of this board: you mean to tell me that Taylor, Haley and Irvin weren't leaders of their teams? Really? I never said boy scouts. I said leaders. It didn't matter what they did Monday through Saturday. They produced on Sunday, elevated the play of their peers, and demanded excellence from the rest of their teammates. Ask any teammate of Irvin, Taylor, or Haley if they were leaders of their teams. Pretending that Hardy is even close to ANY of those players in that regard is an absolute joke. That argument alone demonstrates the you're simply not intellectually equipped for this conversation. Unreal level of stupid, right there.

You keep bringing up this mantra that I hate Greg Hardy. I already said that I spent an entire off-season sticking up for the guy. Here's what I actually hate: I hate that blew his opportunity here. I hate that he didn't hold himself more accountable for his actions on and off the field. I hate that he never stepped up and became a leader. I hate that there are people that are stupid enough to believe that knocking a clip board out of a coaches hand actually makes him one. I hate that people keep bringing up what he WAS (a double digit sack guy) and completely ignore who he actually IS (a 6 sack malcontent without a lick of accountability to himself or his teammates nor the mental fortitude to handle personal or professional adversity). If that means that I hate the player? Then yep. Hate his guts. Glad his *** is on the streets.

Love this post.

 

[Nightman]

Dude, now you can't even keep up with your own posts. For real, stash?

I'm over it, bro. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. We DO agree on one thing. It does suck that he blew his shot here. I would have loved nothing more than for the guy to come in here and rip the entire league a new ***. Twas not to be, unfortunately. I think that's why I'm so pissed about the whole thing. I was "all in" on Greg Hardy. My emotional investment (for a lack of a better term) in Hardy was as deep as it's been for any newcomer since probably T.O. When he completely blew it, it was a MAJOR freaking bummer. I just couldn't believe that his strategy from day one was: ****** bag. Ughh. I don't even like to think about it.

For the record, you're still one of my dude's, stash. We agree on a hell of a lot more than we disagree. Even though we get salty with each other once in a while, I can't quit you, homie. Let's see: You had me at hello? You complete me? O.K. now it's just getting weird. Take care, brutha.

get a room......please....too much PDA

 

[skinsscalper]

Overall, I agree with you.

And maybe that's why we can't get the whole story and the truth?

Because people would either see that his actual infractions were nothing and expose a coach who can't handle anything less than ideal circumstances, or maybe they would see that Hardy's actions were terrible, and he should have been cut last year, but a dysfunctional structure failed to do that?

I honestly can't see any other reason for the truth to be hidden.

Honestly, the only answer to that question is the only logical one. Teams, coaches, nor GMs throw ANY player under the bus. EVER. Hell, even when Hernandez was arrested for murder no one in the NE orgaization threw him under the bus when there was an actual valid opportunity to do so.

Obviously something went on behind the scenes that made it impossible to bring Hardy back. I just don't think that it's particularly odd that the discretions haven't been played out in a media by either side. The fact that Hardy himself has been mum on the subject, also speaks volumes, to me.

The whole thing just sucks, to be honest.

 

[skinsscalper]

get a room......please....too much PDA

You're not off the hook either, lover. Get over here!

 

[Idgit]

Nobody's doing that. We're saying that stronger coaches have handled more troubled players. That's fact. Documented things that guys like Haley, Irvin, and Lawrence Taylor have done are far worse than whatever Hardy is alleged to have done in Dallas. Johnson and Parcells handled it, Garrett didn't.

And I'd really like to know if it was for a valid, justifiable reason, or because a soft coach couldn't handle a difficult player. History has shown me that Garrett doesn't handle high-maintenance players or adversity well.

The other 31 teams were doing that before, based on his prior situation. The fact that one more team has joined that list isn't validation for Dallas' reasoning. The frustrating part is that if the rumors are true, the team should make them public, bury a 'malcontent' once and for all, and make sure he never collects another NFL paycheck. I'd be fine with that. But this 'high road' nonsense where they refuse to divulge the real information just makes everyone look bad.

Garrett's handled his share of difficult personalities in his tenure, and player personalities haven't been a problem in Dallas. Hardy wasn't a problem in Dallas, either, until late in the season when it coincided with some of his personal issues cropping back up.

There's zero in the Cowboys' handling of his case to suggest the coach was soft.

Hardy's situation this season differs from his situation last season. He's out of work because he blew his second chance. And the only person who looks bad because of it is Greg Hardy.

 

[khiladi]

that is the company line from the Minister of Information.....the truth lies closer to doing JGarrett's work for him and eliminating a square peg...RKGs are much easier to coach

Hardy is being black-balled.

Ever since the Philly game, after the Philly reporter released the pics, the media started bashing him and it was endless. The NFL was getting slammed in PR again. Before that game, he was a beast and raising havoc.

Also, timing was great because JG needed another scapegoat. Defense couldn't generate TOs, which is always the explanation for JGs lack of success.. Basically, just like they needed Romo to save the day on offense, they needed Hardy to be the Romo on defense..

He also got injured and kept playing. He also played the most snaps of any defensive player, so to say he was trouble when they were using him the most is hard to swallow.

 

[jobberone]

If Hardy is not only such a great player but also NOT a locker room cancer, then why hasn't someone signed him.

The answer is simple. He's gotten on the crap list because FOs and staffs are going to listen to their friends on the Dallas staff including Garrett when it comes to what went on last year.

Trying to spin Hardy's problem into Garrett's problem is illogical and about as silly as it gets.

And if you think I'm talking about you then try this on

If it fits then wear it.

 

[Nightman]

If Hardy is not only such a great player but also NOT a locker room cancer, then why hasn't someone signed him.

The answer is simple. He's gotten on the crap list because FOs and staffs are going to listen to their friends on the Dallas staff including Garrett when it comes to what went on last year.

Trying to spin Hardy's problem into Garrett's problem is illogical and about as silly as it gets.

And if you think I'm talking about you then try this on

If it fits then wear it.

Just like some people need to get their official Dallas Cowboys knee pads.....you know who you are

 

[jobberone]

Just like some people need to get their official Dallas Cowboys knee pads.....you know who you are

Don't go from the topic of Hardy for which I gave an opinion to attacking me with a generalized statement which isn't even true. Had enough of some of you lately so frackin' beware is the best advice I can give you. If you have an appropriate retort which does not involve a personal attack on me or any other member then please reply. Otherwise.......

 

[Stash]

Garrett's handled his share of difficult personalities in his tenure, and player personalities haven't been a problem in Dallas.

Sure he has, just like Terrell Owens, right? He couldn't handle that difficult player either and sent him packing and instead counted on Roy Williams to get the job done. Great move. Good times.

Hardy wasn't a problem in Dallas, either, until late in the season when it coincided with some of his personal issues cropping back up.

He was never a picnic. Even early on, there was one issue or another. For his part, he didn't help himself at all.

There's zero in the Cowboys' handling of his case to suggest the coach was soft.

If we're going by rumors - and we are because nobody wants to tell the truth - one of them suggests that Hardy publicly bashed the head coach. And neither he nor the team did anything. That screams "soft", and neutered. And how about during that sideline situation? Where was the head coach then? Hiding apparently...

Hardy's situation this season differs from his situation last season. He's out of work because he blew his second chance. And the only person who looks bad because of it is Greg Hardy.

Garrett sure doesn't look good. But, as is the norm, he is absolved of any wrongdoing in anything he's involved with, be it this situation, or the fact that he can't even look competent without Romo carrying him, he gets a free pass far too often from some people. Heck, they even try to sweep a .500 career record under the rug.

There's no doubt Hardy blew the opportunity he had here and he shouldn't be absolved of anything. But he is who he is and everybody who did their homework knew that. If the Cowboys were in any way surprised at who they got and expected a choir boy, shame on them.

 

[AsthmaField]

I knew he was a cancer, but I thought he was benign.

I was wrong. He is malignant.

Pass.

 

[Falco78]

If he was a locker room cancer then forget it, only the coaches know the truth

 

[dcboy]

Hardy is tempting, but the coaches don't want him. That's enough for me. We probably will never know why, but should accept their reasons, whatever they are. Boy, I want to know though.