Should Cowboys rethink Hardy situation?

[KJJ]

Hardy is tempting, but the coaches don't want him. That's enough for me. We probably will never know why, but should accept their reasons, whatever they are. Boy, I want to know though.

You must not have been following the Hardy saga the past year if you don't know why the team doesn't want him. It couldn't be more obvious why the Cowboys or no one else wants him.

 

[Stash]

Hardy is tempting, but the coaches don't want him. That's enough for me. We probably will never know why, but should accept their reasons, whatever they are. Boy, I want to know though.

That's where I'm at too. If the truth is he was terrible, I'm glad that they got rid of him. But I can't just "accept their reasons" as sufficient. I need to know that what he actually did justifies him being effectively black-balled and this team going without its best pass rusher when they have such a dire need.

 

[rynochop]

Yeah, nobody wants him. Seems like a complete awesome person, but, with the window on this team closing pretty quick I'd bring him back on an absolute minimal deal. They say winning cures all, maybe with a healthy dez/romo he'd come in line on a winning team.

 

[Thefeelofcotton]

http://www.12up.com/posts/3404154-r...reg-hardy-after-latest-suspension?a_aid=40396

 

[tyke1doe]

 

[SultanOfSix]

No. Our head coach is a neutered poodle who doesn't know how to handle the big dogs.

Hardy was a PC statement by the league. Going to the most hated/most under the microscope by the media organization in the league was a combustible material rigged to explode under such weak coaching personality and leadership - and so it did.

 

[HappyOnions]

No. Our head coach is a neutered poodle who doesn't know how to handle the big dogs.

Hardy was a PC statement by the league. Going to the most hated/most under the microscope by the media organization in the league was a combustible material rigged to explode under such weak coaching personality and leadership - and so it did.

Sure, it wasn't Hardy's fault...just the coaches.

if he took last season as seriously as he should've, then he'd probably be on a roster by now.

 

[Nova]

Nope. Next question.

pretty much.

If you disagree then you are either misinformed or not a Cowboys fan.

Hardy doesn't bring any value.

 

[Nova]

No. Our head coach is a neutered poodle who doesn't know how to handle the big dogs.

Hardy was a PC statement by the league. Going to the most hated/most under the microscope by the media organization in the league was a combustible material rigged to explode under such weak coaching personality and leadership - and so it did.

or maybe he's just a terrible person and teammate...?

PC aside, did you miss the reports of him being consistently late due to partying and challenging Garrett?

by the way, Hardy is out of the league and not being paid... Maybe that's the way Garrett handles players he has no patience for? Way more savage than just berrating a player and then suiting him up on Sunday.

Funny that BP called TO "81" but was forced to put up with him, yet when Garrett is the main influence for not re-signing Hardy, he's neutered.

Get real.

 

[rpntex]

Swing and a miss. Firstly, Jones isn't "twice the player" Hardy is. That's bias overloading reality on your part.

Secondly, Jones was traded away due to finances as much as anything else. Belicheck and the Patriots weren't about to pay his asking price and decide to get something for him.

An apples to ranges comparison attempt, and a failed one.



Again, you only get to blind yourself to Hardy's abilities, not anybody else. Hardy is a 15-sack guy and was one of the league's best pass rushers. His 8-sack per year average is also right in line with Haley's. Your hatred for the person blinds you to the player.



Tell yourself whatever you want to. Taylor's transgressions were far, far worse than anything Hardy has even been ACCUSED of doing.



You're way off base, but here most of all. My point was never that Johnson was a good guy or a great player, only the FACT that a strong coach not only handled him once, but traded for him later. Parcells CAN, Garrett CAN'T.



Do whatever you want, it's irrelevant. The sad truth is that you allow your dislike and personal feelings to cloud reality. You hate Greg Hardy the person, so you try (and fail) to minimize Greg Hardy the football player. That's your issue, not mine. And you'll pile on any unsupported or unsubstantiated rumor as fact in an attempt to justify it.

The point stands that the players mentioned were all pains in the ***, just like Greag Hardy is accused of being. Most of them with far worse issues and behavior. Strong coaches handled and coexisted with them. Our weak coach can't handle anything other than perfection. Be it on his roster, at quarterback, or with his offense as a whole. If the stars aren't perfectly aligned, Garrett fails and can't handle it.

With all due respect, stash, with Greg Hardy, I don't think we're talking about off the field issues anymore. Instead, I think it's all about the locker room presence he brought to the team. On that basis, guys like LT, Michael Irvin, Chandler Jones, etc., don't really compare. There's no denying Taylor had very serious off the field issues. I don't however, ever recall we anything about him being a locker room disruption. Michael Irvin had the one incident with Everett McIver, but aside from that one incident, he was considered to be an ideal team leader. He was even called "the heart" of those 90s teams.

That brings it all around to Garrett. I agree with the premise that a strong coach can handle any type of personality. However, a coach… Any coach… Can only be a strong as his owner will allow him to be. If players are allowed to go behind the head coach's back, The strongest of head coaches will still be neutered. I think we can all agree that Bill Parcells was a strong head coach… Who couldn't handle Terrel Owens. Owens was protected by Jerry, and even outlasted Parcells by a year.

 

[jobberone]

People are responsible for their own behaviors. No one can control another person unless they acquiesce. This is psych 101. To blame anyone other than Hardy is ludicrous.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Yeah, nobody wants him. Seems like a complete awesome person, but, with the window on this team closing pretty quick I'd bring him back on an absolute minimal deal. They say winning cures all, maybe with a healthy dez/romo he'd come in line on a winning team.

Sure his feelings aren't too high towards you too. For a response on a guy you never met.

 

[Stash]

With all due respect, stash, with Greg Hardy, I don't think we're talking about off the field issues anymore. Instead, I think it's all about the locker room presence he brought to the team. On that basis, guys like LT, Michael Irvin, Chandler Jones, etc., don't really compare. There's no denying Taylor had very serious off the field issues. I don't however, ever recall we anything about him being a locker room disruption. Michael Irvin had the one incident with Everett McIver, but aside from that one incident, he was considered to be an ideal team leader. He was even called "the heart" of those 90s teams.

I'll ask you, what facts have we gotten about Hardy being this "locker room presence"? What exactly is he proven to have done? That's what bothers me, there isn't anything. Nothing other than a few rumors and two documented times when he was late. If there was anything more substantial, fine. But there isn't.

That brings it all around to Garrett. I agree with the premise that a strong coach can handle any type of personality. However, a coach… Any coach… Can only be a strong as his owner will allow him to be. If players are allowed to go behind the head coach's back, The strongest of head coaches will still be neutered. I think we can all agree that Bill Parcells was a strong head coach… Who couldn't handle Terrel Owens. Owens was protected by Jerry, and even outlasted Parcells by a year.

I agree that Jones is a problem there. In fact, if not for Jones, I don't think Hardy would have ever been here. And that's why Garrett's RKG talk means nothing and has no teeth. He'd like to have certain types of players around and does for the most part, and then Jones decides to force one or two on him from time to time who aren't.

 

[Stash]

Sure, it wasn't Hardy's fault...just the coaches.

if he took last season as seriously as he should've, then he'd probably be on a roster by now.

There's no doubt about that. He handled his second chance like an idiot.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Sure, it wasn't Hardy's fault...just the coaches.

if he took last season as seriously as he should've, then he'd probably be on a roster by now.

Who said that it was more Garrett's fault than Hardy's or vice versa?

He's a more emotionally unstable person than normal who had less than one year to prove himself on the team under ridiculous media scrutiny that was intent on magnifying every silly little action and couldn't handle the pressure. The Cowboys organization and its neutered head coach who hasn't proven anything obviously couldn't handle him and it and so they had to let him go.

 

[SultanOfSix]

or maybe he's just a terrible person and teammate...?

PC aside, did you miss the reports of him being consistently late due to partying and challenging Garrett?

by the way, Hardy is out of the league and not being paid... Maybe that's the way Garrett handles players he has no patience for? Way more savage than just berrating a player and then suiting him up on Sunday.

Funny that BP called TO "81" but was forced to put up with him, yet when Garrett is the main influence for not re-signing Hardy, he's neutered.

Get real.

Or maybe he's not and that's just him being made a PC example of by the league and certain media elements. Malcolm X was also a "terrible person" in the media too.

Rumors don't mean anything to me. All this "leaked" information after the fact by anonymous sources and without verification on the record I couldn't give two turds about.

Hardy being out of the league has less to do with his time on the Cowboys and more to do with the domestic violence issue and the baggage that comes with it.

 

[rynochop]

Sure his feelings aren't too high towards you too. For a response on a guy you never met.

That's your response to that post and what you got out of it? Ok then, my bad, he's a straight up Witten/Romo type character.

 

[casmith07]

Hatcher retired.

I know.

 

[casmith07]

You must not have been following the Hardy saga the past year if you don't know why the team doesn't want him. It couldn't be more obvious why the Cowboys or no one else wants him.

There's no doubt about that. He handled his second chance like an idiot.

Nobody wants a guy who destroys a locker room and only plays hard when it suits him or when the team is winning.

Oh, and the bad press -- just icing on the **** cake.

Hardy's done.

 

[Kaiser]

Nobody wants a guy who destroys a locker room and only plays hard when it suits him or when the team is winning.

Oh, and the bad press -- just icing on the **** cake.

Hardy's done.

I don't know that is career is over but that's how I see it. Hardy cracked at some point and quit playing hard, then burned the bridge (and by "bridge", I mean "weed") by pulling young guys like Gregory down with him.

Its not hard to picture Hardy cracking under the national media calling him a monster 24/7 based on BS, there are a hundred examples of people who committed suicide after a BS press event or a false criminal charge. It doesn't make it right, but I can see how it happened.

The real shame is that Hardy could have been a very successful gamble by the team and it looked like it was during the NE game. But I really think the downfall began when ESPN ran the Holder photos and kicked it back into national news. He seems to quit mentally and physically after that.