Skins land Fauria

[skinsngibbs4life]

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you did not just put Cooley = Witten?? LOL Witten 2 time pro bowler had a great season more than once. Cooley was the only option other than Moss, his numbers drop next season

the pro bowl means absolute crap in this league. To have a players as dominant as marcus Washington not shows how much it actually means in this league.

Moss only WR worth a crap last year..
Key> LLoyd by alot last year.. count chain moving first downs and going over the middle like a man.. not ducking the ball.

Wow, for you to say that is insane. numbers speak for itself. Your recievers are old, and decreasing every year. All of our wide recievers(hell our whole offense) is young and still improving. I dont see how you can keep saying they are leaps and bounds better when our players our the ones improving and in there prime, and yours arnt going to do anything but get worse.

 

[silverbear]

I'm not exactly drop-dead impressed by the Skin's FA and trade haul.

I find myself dubious that Lloyd has the potential that Skins fans think he has, or anything close to it... as a number 2 option, I'm not impressed... and the price tag, in terms of draft picks, is hard to justify...

But Antwaan Randle El is a NICE option for a 3rd WR, with 40-50 catch potential easy... he's also shown a willingness to go over the middle, and the Skins don't have a lot of WRs who are known for that... and of course, he'll solidify their return game... I also think they paid steeply for him...

And as I've already mentioned in another post, pending hearing about the contract details, I think Fauria fits a specific need for the Skins, for a year or two...

Their offense has a few more weapons now, and they have addressed a coupla specific team needs... paid a little too much on the first too, IMO, so that will knock down any grade I'd assign for their early efforts... call it a B, maybe a B minus...

 

[ravidubey]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, because I probably am, but it seems like all Snyder does is signs players to multi-year, back-loaded contracts with the first few years of the contract being very cap friendly.

Then, before they take a big cap hit from the contract, they restructure it.

If that's the case, then I don't see how they'll ever truly be in cap hell. If the players are dumb enough to restructure their contract, then the Skins really never have to worry about anything.

I don't think you get it. The players restructure only because it means they get the same amount of money in a signing bonus which gets prorated.

What Washington is doing is consistently borrowing against next year's cap. What has saved them is that the cap keeps increasing. Thing is, to get young players, Washington trades away their future in the form of draft picks for established starters.

As long as the cap increases each year, they can continue to do this dance. But we know from experience as Cowboys fans that it doesn't keep shooting up like it's been-- it levels off to a very meager increase.

That's when you see major blood-letting. Dallas had to do it in 2001, Washington will have to do it as early as next season.

No championship team in the free-agency era was built without the draft coming through in some fashion. Washington has all but sacrificed the draft as a tool to provide inexpensive depth.

 

[BigDFan5]

the pro bowl means absolute crap in this league. To have a players as dominant as marcus Washington not shows how much it actually means in this league.



Wow, for you to say that is insane. numbers speak for itself. Your recievers are old, and decreasing every year. All of our wide recievers(hell our whole offense) is young and still improving. I dont see how you can keep saying they are leaps and bounds better when our players our the ones improving and in there prime, and yours arnt going to do anything but get worse.

LMAO The Pro Bowl may be off when 12 year vets make it in on name rep, but Witten has not made jack off name repuation and you know that. No matter how you try to spin it Witten is better than cooley.

I noticed you avoided the rest of my post like Randle El avoid the endzone why is that? Is it because you couldn't put any homer spin on it to shiny it up? Go on back to ES where they buy this lame garbage you are selling. Because over here at the Zone if you can't come honest your gonna get blown up and discarded

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

Nice try sparky, but how about being honest.

You asked if adding TO made us better than you. Take TO's per game stats and compare it to Moss' per game stats. Or take TO's last full season against Moss' last year. I hate the guy, but he's head and shoulders better than your so far 1 year wonder.

Compare Glenn to Lloyd. How does it stack up now?

Compare Key to Randle El. How does it stack up now?

How about acknolwdging the fact Witten's stats dropped in 2005 from 2004 because he was forced to help our OL more than he was in pass patterns?

Can you be honest?

first off, owens isant even on your team yet, so I dont see how you can go out and keep saying he your savior when he isant even on the team. Granite, there is a goos posibility that he might join your team, there are still some teams competing with you all for this guy, and nothing is a given yet.

And second, if you want to compare stats go ahead. Moss had more total yards last year than owens had in any of his previous years. Ill admit that he is a better reciever. Ill also admit that I overlooked glenn before. I seemed to forget the fact that he did have 1200 last year for you all.

but still, look at the ages. How much longer can your really expect glenn and keyshawn to playing up to what they have been doing? It wont be for much longer. while the ages of the skins guys are 24, 26, and 28, right in there prime.

 

[silverbear]

Now now...

Don't be calling them dumb. They all stepped up to the plate and restructured. Don't you guys get it? Gibbs has been here two years and already built a team first culture.

Snicker...

Lavar Arrington...

Laveraneus Coles...

Sean Taylor blowing off team workouts last offseason, staying home down in Florida so he could get in trouble with the law...

Clinton Portis defending Taylor's blowing off team workouts, characterizing those workouts as "man, we ain't did nothing"...

Yeah, man, this team would run through walls for Coach Joe... all for one, and one for all... ROTFLMAO...

Try some reality, son-- there were financial advantages for every player who restructured those deals, none of them took a REAL pay cut...

Sorry Parcells hasn't done the same for you.

You see any mass exodus of disgruntled players leaving Dallas these last few years??

Dexter Coakley left-- after he was cut...

Dat Nguyen has left-- retired because of a neck injury...

La'Roi Glover left-- after he was cut...

Dan Campbell is leaving-- because the Cowboys aren't trying to re-sign him...

Nope, the list of Cowboys free agents that they've WANTED to keep, but who left the Cowboys, is quite short... for the most part, the players they've lost are players they decided no longer fit their needs... players like playing for Parcells, and always have...

If you're gonna troll, do try harder than this...

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

I noticed you avoided the rest of my post like Randle El avoid the endzone why is that? Is it because you couldn't put any homer spin on it to shiny it up? Go on back to ES where they buy this lame garbage you are selling. Because over here at the Zone if you can't come honest your gonna get blown up and discarded

No the reason I didnt answer it was because it was a waiste of my time. Randle El was a starter on a Super Bowl champ, and crayton was a backup on a team that couldnt make the playoffs in a weak NFC.

is that good enough for you, or need i go on?

 

[Cowboy4ever]

the pro bowl means absolute crap in this league. To have a players as dominant as marcus Washington not shows how much it actually means in this league.



Wow, for you to say that is insane. numbers speak for itself. Your recievers are old, and decreasing every year. All of our wide recievers(hell our whole offense) is young and still improving. I dont see how you can keep saying they are leaps and bounds better when our players our the ones improving and in there prime, and yours arnt going to do anything but get worse.[/quote]

I agree with the Pro Bowl analysis.. if TNEW wasn't the be CB in the NFC.. I dont know who was, and he didn't go. so what can the Pro bowl Really mean.

Last I looked your starting QB was not young.. just a note there. But Comparring LLOyd and key is comparing Apples and Oranges. key gets the tough yards,, no he is not going to have a high YAC average, he goes over the middle as good as anyone in the League, LLOYD don't. EL, Dont either.. and for that matter,, Moss is not going to make a living doing it either. Although.. Moss is a tough SOB, give him that. Now again.. Glenn is as much a deep threat as Moss.. Key is a much better possion reciever than eithr Lloyd or el and the TE are about even.. I really like Cooley, i do. I think Whitten does a better job at more things , but in catching the ball ,, I think they are both good. So.. to sum it up.. Moss and Glenn about even.. Key OVER LLOYD or EL in ability to catch the tough pass,, age is not arequirement when moving the chains.. and the TE about even.. So if you add it up.. Dallas has a slight edge,, even before TO gets here.

 

[BigDFan5]

No the reason I didnt answer it was because it was a waiste of my time. Randle El was a starter on a Super Bowl champ, and crayton was a backup on a team that couldnt make the playoffs in a weak NFC.

is that good enough for you, or need i go on?

Wait because Randle El was a starter on the SB teams something?? Hell Randy Moss went 4-12 I guess he sucks lol

The reason you didn't answer the post is because you couldn't spin it. Crayton in 5 less games and 15 less starts had more TDs and only 227 less yards. One gets 10 mill bonus 1 makes league minimum tell me which is the better value

 

[seoulman]

Well since I'm brand new to this board I can't speak for anyone else who is a Skins fan who chooses to post here but I am not one to resort to insults or personal attacks.

Well recent history is rather important when criticizing how well or not well our cap is managed. Since the only real indicator of success or failure in the NFL is Superbowls, I don't think it's a far stretch to say that the Cowboys have only been mildly more successful than the Commanders since Snyder took over. Obviously, you're entitled to your opinion on how Snyder manages his cap, but the Cowboys have not been any more successful with how they've managed theirs.

In regards to the "Brandon Noble is going to be a "blocker magnet", I'm sure we can probably find as many "Santana Moss for Laveranues Coles was a stupid trade" threads on this board as well.

Also, no one picked the Commanders to do anything last year. We were not "Paper Champions" by any stretch of the imagination. Look, I am definitely skeptical when it comes to Snyder. I've had many doubts for a long time and it took him bringing back Gibbs for me to finally give him another chance. Last year showed me that he was willing to back off the football decisions and let the coaches run the show even after they were not initially successful. It has paid off and I suspect that things have changed in the FO.

Snyder goes and gets the players his coaches want, not the players he wants. Maybe he overpays and leverages the future against the present, but we haven't had to pay the piper yet and it's been about 8 years since he's taken over so when do you suppose we might have to pay? 2012? When they have to redo the CBA again? I'll take those chances.

 

[Hostile]

first off, owens isant even on your team yet, so I dont see how you can go out and keep saying he your savior when he isant even on the team. Granite, there is a goos posibility that he might join your team, there are still some teams competing with you all for this guy, and nothing is a given yet.

And second, if you want to compare stats go ahead. Moss had more total yards last year than owens had in any of his previous years. Ill admit that he is a better reciever. Ill also admit that I overlooked glenn before. I seemed to forget the fact that he did have 1200 last year for you all.

but still, look at the ages. How much longer can your really expect glenn and keyshawn to playing up to what they have been doing? It wont be for much longer. while the ages of the skins guys are 24, 26, and 28, right in there prime.

You asked the question about "if we added TO," be prepared to acknowledge the answer. Either that or don't ask a stupid question. It's not rocket science.

Or maybe it is to someone who can't spell isn't.

Moss had more yard last year than Owens in any season? Yeah, 1483 to 1451. Let's compare TDs in best seasons shall we? Owens has 5 seasons of 13 or more with a high of 16. Moss had 10 with the Jets, 9 with you.

Are you honestly going to sit there and tell me that Owens wouldn't have surpassed 9 last year without his meltdown? He had 6 and missed 9 games.

Just be real. Is it really that hard?

 

[skinsfan10]

Paradise!!! Good luck to all in the NFC!!!

 

[BigDFan5]

Paradise!!! Good luck to all in the NFC!!!

Have fun with the scrub bunch!

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

Wait because Randle El was a starter on the SB teams something?? Hell Randy Moss went 4-12 I guess he sucks lol

The reason you didn't answer the post is because you couldn't spin it. Crayton in 5 less games and 15 less starts had more TDs and only 227 less yards. One gets 10 mill bonus 1 makes league minimum tell me which is the better value

thats not what im trying to say and you know it. One is actually good enough to start right now, while the other isant. is that better for you? It isant ARE's fault that he gets on the field and plays the games, maybe if crayton is that good, he should get into the game more. Stop trying to compare someone who actually gets in the game to someone who doesnt get in the game by using "what if's". Because the fact is crayton wasnt in the game, and ARE was.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

thats not what im trying to say and you know it. One is actually good enough to start right now, while the other isant. is that better for you? It isant ARE's fault that he gets on the field and plays the games, maybe if crayton is that good, he should get into the game more. Stop trying to compare someone who actually gets in the game to someone who doesnt get in the game by using "what if's". Because the fact is crayton wasnt in the game, and ARE was.

His leg was broke,, that is why he wasn't in the games lol.. give the kid a break man..

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Commanders | Lloyd will get a new contract
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:37:49 -0800

The Washington Post reports the Washington Commanders will give WR Brandon Lloyd a new contract. According to several league sources, the new contract will reach up to $10 million in guaranteed money and could average close to $5.5 million per season.


LOL>. are u kiddding me ,, 2 picks and this money for that guy?? LOL..

 

[skinsfan10]

Have fun with the scrub bunch!

I appologize,..........tell me that part about Patrick Creighton again....???

 

[BigDFan5]

thats not what im trying to say and you know it. One is actually good enough to start right now, while the other isant. is that better for you? It isant ARE's fault that he gets on the field and plays the games, maybe if crayton is that good, he should get into the game more. Stop trying to compare someone who actually gets in the game to someone who doesnt get in the game by using "what if's". Because the fact is crayton wasnt in the game, and ARE was.

If that wasn't your point then it meant nothing. He was good enough to start but was losing time to Cedrick Wilson. You ever wonder why Pitt isn't trying to keep him? Because he wasn;t good enough to start

So by your definition someone with less games 15 less starts but more TDs and average just a few less yards per game that ARE for 9 mill less is bad??

The reason Crayton doesn;t make the field much is because there are better receivers in front of him. The reason EL made the field is because there was no other option, and by the end of the season Wilson was getting more touches.

 

[BroGreg]

Now now...

Don't be calling them dumb. They all stepped up to the plate and restructured. Don't you guys get it? Gibbs has been here two years and already built a team first culture.

Sorry Parcells hasn't done the same for you.

Sorry, Gibbs hasn't built a thing my friend.

Greg Williams has been the key component for the skins.
This is why Gibbs is leaving the offense to someone else to bring the team up to speed on his weak side of the ball.

Players come there for the money. Have been since Snyder became owner.
Snyder style is pay up front, rather than later and it has gotten him no where. Dude is desperate for a Super Bowl and this year has given him the false idea that he is close.

Teams are getting use to the defense and the offense has been already seen with the Rams & Chiefs.


One plus for the skins...
This isn't going to be a "Joe Gibbs" system any longer.
It will be interesting to see if he still gets credit for the hard work of two coordinators.

 

[BigDFan5]

I appologize,..........tell me that part about Patrick Creighton again....???

Well which part you want? The part where he had more TDs and almost as many yards with 15 less starts and 5 less games than the kick returner you signed? or the part where he makes less than a million while you just gave the kick returner 10 mill in bonuses