Skins tried to trade Jason Cambell today for a 2nd rounder

[AbeBeta]

We have 11 Draft picks after that deal. How many would the Commanders have after the other deal, and what rounds would they be? Know some facts before you spew nonsense.

Ridiculous comparison.

Woopdeedee 11 picks! One on Day 1 and a recent history of not being able to pick anyone decent on DL over the past 3 years or on the OL for the last 6 years no matter what the round. 11 more Montavious Staleys, E.J. Whitleys, James Martens, Jacob Rogers, and Justin Bates is just 11 more shots in the dark for a team that apparently can't scout those positions well anymore.

Oh yes... it will be different this year. It is always a really great draft when Jerry is in charge and doesn't have a strong voice opposing him.

 

[Hoofbite]

Woopdeedee 11 picks! One on Day 1 and a recent history of not being able to pick anyone decent on DL over the past 3 years or on the OL for the last 6 years no matter what the round. 11 more Montavious Staleys, E.J. Whitleys, James Martens, Jacob Rogers, and Justin Bates is just 11 more shots in the dark for a team that apparently can't scout those positions well anymore.

Oh yes... it will be different this year. It is always a really great draft when Jerry is in charge and doesn't have a strong voice opposing him.

I'm pretty content with how the team has picked in the later rounds in the last few years.

 

[Hostile]

Woopdeedee 11 picks! One on Day 1 and a recent history of not being able to pick anyone decent on DL over the past 3 years or on the OL for the last 6 years no matter what the round. 11 more Montavious Staleys, E.J. Whitleys, James Martens, Jacob Rogers, and Justin Bates is just 11 more shots in the dark for a team that apparently can't scout those positions well anymore.

Oh yes... it will be different this year. It is always a really great draft when Jerry is in charge and doesn't have a strong voice opposing him.

And the nonsense mounts. You must be trying to come across as clueless. Good job.

 

[AbeBeta]

And the nonsense mounts. You must be trying to come across as clueless. Good job.

Right.

It is cute though how the every year come draft time a sour old ******* like you turns into Mr. Glass Half Full

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Right.

It is cute though how the every year come draft time a sour old ******* like you turns into Mr. Glass Half Full

As opposed to you just steadily being a sour old (whatver the ******* means)?

 

[AbeBeta]

I'm pretty content with how the team has picked in the later rounds in the last few years.

last year was good. but we got cute and lost our 6th rounder by trying to sneak him onto the PS. 2006 and 2007 show those hits were likely more luck than anything.

2007 was mediocre - Marten clearly a bust. Stanback, Free, Anderson, Brown, Ball -- could develop but it won't surprise me if 3 of them aren't even with us this season. Folk was a nice pick.

2006 - Barf. Staley and Whitney never made it. Green gone. Hatcher and Watkins and McQuistan.... again, meh.

So, me, I'm realistic and seeing that we aren't some super talent finding late round team. We do OK at times but you certainly can't depend on those picks to build something.

 

[Hostile]

Right.

It is cute though how the every year come draft time a sour old ******* like you turns into Mr. Glass Half Full

My how you have conveniently forgotten math. And Jay Ratliff who was taken in the 7th round. Ratliff alone trumps all that voodoo you attempted with Stanley and Bates, et al.

Here's the bottom line. After the Roy Williams trade we still have 11 Draft picks.

If the Skins had made that trade they would have a 5th and a 6th and no 1st next year.

The point the other poster made, that you blindly tried to ignore, was that they would not be able to shore up their lines (which is absolutely correct unless you believe 2 Day 2 picks can plug all the holes) with what they would have left. If you honestly believe there is a correlation between former failed Draft picks and 11 picks vs. 2 picks then by all means continue with your delusions.

Signed,
An *******

PS

It really wasn't that hard to grasp.

 

[cobra]

a sour old *******

Are you talking about Hostile?

Well, I'm a salty *******, so maybe that's why Hos and I get along so well. Sour and salty is a good mix.

 

[Hostile]

Are you talking about Hostile?

Well, I'm a salty *******, so maybe that's why Hos and I get along so well. Sour and salty is a good mix.

You damn skippy Hippie.

I actually get along good with Abe too. He's just treading water on a silly argument and thinking he has a point when he actually knows he doesn't. Throwing out names like Montavious Stanley will placate the mouth breathers, but it doesn't fool anyone who has synapses that fire on time.

 

[AbeBeta]

My how you have conveniently forgotten math. And Jay Ratliff who was taken in the 7th round. Ratliff alone trumps all that voodoo you attempted with Stanley and Bates, et al.

Here's the bottom line. After the Roy Williams trade we still have 11 Draft picks.

If the Skins had made that trade they would have a 5th and a 6th and no 1st next year.

The point the other poster made, that you blindly tried to ignore, was that they would not be able to shore up their lines (which is absolutely correct unless you believe 2 Day 2 picks can plug all the holes) with what they would have left. If you honestly believe there is a correlation between former failed Draft picks and 11 picks vs. 2 picks then by all means continue with your delusions.

Signed,
An *******

PS

It really wasn't that hard to grasp.

Ratliff was a great late pick. But come on. That's just falling into a great player.

Yes, we have 11 picks. And most of them are late 5th and onward. Many scouts would tell you there isn't a hell of a lot of difference between the quality of player you get that late and UDFAs. You know as well as I do that the later you are drafting the less of a real shot you have at a contributor.

Ooh, I forgot, you are in Polyanna mode since it is April.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ratliff was a great late pick. But come on. That's just falling into a great player.

Yes, we have 11 picks. And most of them are late 5th and onward. Many scouts would tell you there isn't a hell of a lot of difference between the quality of player you get that late and UDFAs. You know as well as I do that the later you are drafting the less of a real shot you have at a contributor.

Ooh, I forgot, you are in Polyanna mode since it is April.

we do have 2, 4ths, where we've plucked players such as Marion Barber, Tashard Choice and Chris Canty from

Patrick Crayton was a late-round pick, Romo was undrafted

look at our 1st round picks as of late, we have Bobby Carpenter and Anthony Spencer, one is a certifiable bust, and the other hasn't done anything

 

[Hostile]

Ratliff was a great late pick. But come on. That's just falling into a great player.

Yes, we have 11 picks. And most of them are late 5th and onward. Many scouts would tell you there isn't a hell of a lot of difference between the quality of player you get that late and UDFAs. You know as well as I do that the later you are drafting the less of a real shot you have at a contributor.

Ooh, I forgot, you are in Polyanna mode since it is April.

I read that entire post but all I could hear in my head was this.

The fact remains that this is what the poster said...

So if the Skins give up their 1st/3rd Rounder for Cutler, how are they going to replenish their offensive and defensive lines?

He was clearly indicating they they would NOT have enough picks to accomplish the job and especially high picks.

Your nonsensical response that I shot down along with a couple of other people was this screed.

So if the Cowboys gave up their 1st/3rd Rounder for Williams, how are they going to replenish their offensive and defensive lines?

Let's forget for one moment that OL and DL are not the Cowboys biggest needs the way they are for the Commanders and pretend that you had a point. Okay, forget that because that stretches the imagination way too far. You don't have a point. The fact of the matter is the Commanders had already traded away their 2nd, 4th & 7th round picks. They did not have picks from last year arriving this year from trades the same way we did with picks from the Lions, Dolphins, Browns, and Titans. A simple cursory look at the facts would have saved you the trouble of tasting your feet.

Now as to the Pollyanna mode due to it being April that's just rich. First of all it has nothing to do with anything in the discussion and is simply a case of your panties being wadded up about something. Jerk the damned things out of your crack so you can sit comfortably. Either that or take some fiber to clear your pipes.

I am never in Pollyana mode. Can you show me where I have praised Wade Phillips lately? No, you can't. Even if your head wasn't stuck up some dark, smelly place you couldn't find that. What it really boils down to is you figure that you could look tough by calling me an ******* and a Pollyanna. So look tough to your own reflection in the mirror. But don't for one minute think I am impressed by stupid lack of logic thoughts that are incomplete in the first place.

Incomplete? Yeah, I said incomplete. In addition to forgetting about Ratliff you forgot Chris Canty who only started here for multiple years.

Bravo on your Duh moment. I figured you needed some hollow praise from a Pollyanna. Funny how I have 2 daughters and a wife who love that movie and I never remember where Pollyanna acts like an ******* to anyone. Leads me to believe you're not a film critic either since you can't follow a plot.

Yep, gotta be the wadded up panties. Give 'em a jerk. You'll feel better and maybe your mind will clear.

 

[trickblue]

Ratliff was a great late pick. But come on. That's just falling into a great player.

Yes, we have 11 picks. And most of them are late 5th and onward. Many scouts would tell you there isn't a hell of a lot of difference between the quality of player you get that late and UDFAs. You know as well as I do that the later you are drafting the less of a real shot you have at a contributor.

Ooh, I forgot, you are in Polyanna mode since it is April.

Crayton?

 

[AbeBeta]

we do have 2, 4ths, where we've plucked players such as Marion Barber, Tashard Choice and Chris Canty from

Patrick Crayton was a late-round pick, Romo was undrafted

look at our 1st round picks as of late, we have Bobby Carpenter and Anthony Spencer, one is a certifiable bust, and the other hasn't done anything

Again - we've had hits and we've had a ton of misses. Those late rounders are far more likely to be misses so loading up on late rounders guarantees nothing.

Romo was undrafted, so was Austin. Sounds like the late round of the draft and UDFA are about the same in terms of bringing in talent.

 

[AbeBeta]

I read that entire post but all I could hear in my head was this.

First, you are mistaking me for those morons on the board who think the Williams deal was bad. I think it was a good trade -- we might have given up a tiny bit more than I am comfortable with but not much.

The fact remains that this is what the poster said...

He was clearly indicating they they would NOT have enough picks to accomplish the job and especially high picks.

Just like we don't have a bunch of high picks - they've got fewer but they also addressed issues with two FA signings.

Let's forget for one moment that OL and DL are not the Cowboys biggest needs the way they are for the Commanders and pretend that you had a point. Okay, forget that because that stretches the imagination way too far. You don't have a point. The fact of the matter is the Commanders had already traded away their 2nd, 4th & 7th round picks. They did not have picks from last year arriving this year from trades the same way we did with picks from the Lions, Dolphins, Browns, and Titans. A simple cursory look at the facts would have saved you the trouble of tasting your feet.

Do they not have picks? Sure. Is there no chance of them acquiring more picks? I know you are likely banking on us packaging our picks to move up for players - do you discount their ability to do the same using 2010 picks? Seems like every year they are trading away future picks -- why would you expect that they would change paths and sit this one out?

Now as to the Pollyanna mode due to it being April that's just rich. First of all it has nothing to do with anything in the discussion and is simply a case of your panties being wadded up about something. Jerk the damned things out of your crack so you can sit comfortably. Either that or take some fiber to clear your pipes.

I am never in Pollyana mode. Can you show me where I have praised Wade Phillips lately? No, you can't. Even if your head wasn't stuck up some dark, smelly place you couldn't find that. What it really boils down to is you figure that you could look tough by calling me an ******* and a Pollyanna. So look tough to your own reflection in the mirror. But don't for one minute think I am impressed by stupid lack of logic thoughts that are incomplete in the first place.

Hos - we all know you get all horny for the draft and hope springs eternal for you leading up to it. I think everyone knows you are an old crusty ******* -- I said that with affection not as an insult. And everyone here knows you go all giddy around draft time. Amusing is all it is -- take it as an insult if you want but if you do, it will suggest that you are the one with the panty problem.

Incomplete? Yeah, I said incomplete. In addition to forgetting about Ratliff you forgot Chris Canty who only started here for multiple years.

Where exactly was I "forgetting about players" -- the poster said last few years and I talked about the last three -- those seem most relevant to "last few"

You can cherry pick late round picks who did well but it is obvious that we've missed a ton more than we've hit. Just like most teams in the league. Everyone find that occasional diamond in that pile of coal. That doesn't mean we should count on finding one.

It comes down to this -- as the picks stand would we have a better chance to build up compared to the Skins -- sure -- but with the abundance of late picks we've got nothing more than a slim advantage over them.

Bravo on your Duh moment. I figured you needed some hollow praise from a Pollyanna. Funny how I have 2 daughters and a wife who love that movie and I never remember where Pollyanna acts like an ******* to anyone. Leads me to believe you're not a film critic either since you can't follow a plot.

Yep, gotta be the wadded up panties. Give 'em a jerk. You'll feel better and maybe your mind will clear.

Going from Polyanna to an ******* (actually the word I used didn't start with a vowel) -- just to prove you aren't? Clever.

 

[D41lasCowboys31]

I heard Jason was at a Washington Capitals game and when they introduced him in the arena there were quite a few boos.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Just like we don't have a bunch of high picks - they've got fewer but they also addressed issues with two FA signings.

Do they not have picks? Sure. Is there no chance of them acquiring more picks? I know you are likely banking on us packaging our picks to move up for players - do you discount their ability to do the same using 2010 picks? Seems like every year they are trading away future picks -- why would you expect that they would change paths and sit this one out?

So they got two free agents. That still does not address their need at the other Guard spot, Right Tackle and Defensive End, where they are subpar with no true depth. Carter is the best end that they have right now and he is a JAG with no upside at this point in his career. If they gave away their one and three, how exactly would they replenish? I will repost an earlier qoute that I used since you conveniently ignored it (from About.com, but CBS Sports and the Bleacher Report say pretty much the same thing).

Urgent Needs
Right Tackle: Washington's offensive line is a mess and it really needs to be upgraded, starting at right tackle. Jon Jansen, who just turned 33, has terrible knees and is an abomination when it comes to pass protection.


Two Guards: The guard position is also a major issue. Pete Kendall and Randy Thomas are both old and unreliable. Jason Campbell will continue to struggle with inconsistency as long as the offensive line is in shambles. Signed Derrick Dockery

Defensive End: Aside from the offensive line, Washington's biggest problem was not being able to get to the quarterback. The team totaled just 24 sacks, and no player had more than four. The Commanders need a pass-rushing specialist on the outside to complement Andre Carter.

At a minimum, Dallas has average and above at all starting spots on their Offensive and Defensive Lines, plus plenty of picks remaining for depth. If the Skins had made that trade, they would still be left with subpar talent in a lot of spots and little to no depth. No real ammunition would be left to move up anywhere noteworthy in this draft, because they would have needed to include their #1 in 2010 to get Cutler.

It's just not a good comparison for you to make.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Again - we've had hits and we've had a ton of misses. Those late rounders are far more likely to be misses so loading up on late rounders guarantees nothing.

Romo was undrafted, so was Austin. Sounds like the late round of the draft and UDFA are about the same in terms of bringing in talent.

still our track-record for higher round picks isn't that good

 

[Vintage]

I've seen a good share of stinkers on here as well... like someone said, every fanbase has their own "special" fans

You mean like how I predicted us to win a playoff game this year before the season started?

And we missed the playoffs.


ROFL.

Epic fail.

Shoulda listened to the Skins fans who predicted us to go 8-8. It was a lot closer to the truth than my prediction.

 

[jazzcat22]

Any GM willing to give up a 2nd rounder for Jason Campbell should be fired immediately.

Well, if no team is interested, maybe Snyder will trade Campbell to himself, in an unprecendented move. And then fire himself. Oh, no, wait, we need Danny in Washington, so they can stay in the cellar.