Some Things Just Don't Register With Me. This is one of them

[CanadianCowboysFan]

You like adult females or males I presume but you only have sex with them when you are alone with them. The same applies to pedophiles. I have no use for pedophiles but it is a sexual disorder where their preference is to have sex with children just like you wish to have sex with adult males or females.

 

[BlindFaith]

The only problem with what you have said is that there is no distinction between your fantasy world view and reality.

If one were to take a Biblical or Christian world view it would be a view that is based in the ultimate when it comes to unconditional love and forgiveness, while at the same time people would be held accountable for, and responsible for their actions. Like you, its a world view with all eternity in view. This was not posted to endorse or be religious in nature, but just to give a description of a historical world view and to show that there can be "unconditional love" while at the same time be consequences for heinous actions.

And to address the nonsense of your last statement - I have one daughter and I know who she is. No amount of fantasizing about other realities will ever change it in any way. And no amount of fantasizing about other realities will ever lead me or any other sane person to worry that if I want justice for a pedophile, that in some misguided way that the creep is my daughter in some other fantasy reality. Justice and paying the penalty for heinous acts is not hate nor hate based. Its called a consequence for an action. Actions and choices have consequences, both good and bad. Good choices generally have good consequences. Bad choices generally have bad consequences.

I guess in my fantasy land God is Mickey Mouse? Or do you have proof it exists? My beliefs arent made up. Every major religion has a sect that believes in a very spiritual element. Ive spent many years putting pieces together. I dont hold it against you or think less of you for what you do or dont believe. I choose to try and not hate. Anyone. I understand why something like this happening would make you angry.

 

[BlindFaith]

What makes you think that God created them that way?

Just do some reading. I posted a link.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The 1 out of 50 is a number I threw out there. I guess the one really doesn't matter to you.

http://www.saybrook.edu/forum/univ/...te-sex-offenders-acknowledging-their-humanity

http://www.crimelibrary.com/blog/ar...iles-reasons-for-cautious-optimism/index.html

You guessed right. Not at the expense of what the other 49 failures represent.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

bingo, no one wants to be one, some just cannot control their sexual preference. Doesn't mean they should not be punished for their crime (and yes bumfard, I agree that sex with minors is punishable as it is inappropriate in our society). However, that does not mean that all those sexual predators are happy being sexual predators.

Does this also extend to DWI, serial killers, people who kill for money and power? Corporations who don't mind killing employees in third world countries in exchange for profits?

 

[Rockport]

Do away with them all. No need for tax layers to boot the bill.

Better yet, just cut their nuts off.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

How is it right for you to force your opinion on him? You've asked that several times to Blindfaith how does that question not fall back to you?

At what point have I done this? I'm open to discuss it.

 

[Tawney88]

At what point have I done this? I'm open to discuss it.

You said it in the post I quoted.

There are plenty of very justifiable reasons why those who thing this man should be dead or serving the rest of his life in a cell with other violent inmates is not entirely wrong.

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Your idea of what is right is not a consensus. I ask you, how is it right, to force your opinion on every person or to consider others opinions and decide to live within the confines of what Society decides is moral? You must also consider that it may not be just your own Daughter who is being considered here. There are lots of parents out there with Daughter, and Sons for that matter, who must be considered. As for other corporeal planes of existence, be it 31 the Buddhists believe in or the 7 Michael teachings the New Age folks aspire to or anything in between, those are not what Society, as a whole. aspires to.

He was just stating his opinion like you not forcing his opinion on you or anyone else from what I saw.

Just passionate like you on different end of the spectrum. I happen to agree with much of what he has said regarding forgiveness, torture, in humane treatment of people.

Just because some disagrees with you and states their own opinion doesn't mean they are trying to force everyone to believe the way they do. It means he was sharing his opinion an opinion that just so happens to be very different then yours.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You said it in the post I quoted.

So what about that statement is forcing my opinion on him? I don't see it.

He was just stating his opinion like you not forcing his opinion on you or anyone else from what I saw.

Just passionate like you on different end of the spectrum. I happen to agree with much of what he has said regarding forgiveness, torture, in humane treatment of people.

Just because some disagrees with you and states their own opinion doesn't mean they are trying to force everyone to believe the way they do. It means he was sharing his opinion an opinion that just so happens to be very different then yours.

Yeah, I'm not really seeing it but if that's your opinion, that's fine with me.

I am not surprised that you agree with him and you are certainly entitled but as I explained before, in fact over and over, your opinion is your own and you are welcome to it but don't get confused with how society views this.

 

[Section446]

Wow...

 

[Tawney88]

So what about that statement is forcing my opinion on him? I don't see it.

That's the point. It was merely you stating your opinion.

Yeah, I'm not really seeing it but if that's your opinion, that's fine with me. I am not surprised that you agree with him and you are certainly entitled but as I explained before, in fact over and over, your opinion is your own and you are welcome to it but don't get confused with how society views this.

I don't know that my posting history thus far would give you much of an indication on how I'd feel on this topic but ok. Exactly and your opinion is your own. Society once believed women shouldn't vote and people were some how less of a person because they were a different color. Basing my opinion on a topic because society tells me that is how I should feel, isn't what a free thinking society should be doing. I don't think either of us believed or even said (I know I didn't) that society believed the same way we do.

 

[jnday]

I never thought I would see people thinking that society should take this scum and show compassion. This has become a soft culture. Kill every damn one of the perverts and they will be sorted out in the next life. Better yet, let the victim's families decide the punishment and they can execute if they want to.

 

[BlindFaith]

I never thought I would see people thinking that society should take this scum and show compassion. This has become a soft culture. Kill every damn one of the perverts and they will be sorted out in the next life. Better yet, let the victim's families decide the punishment and they can execute if they want to.

I said my piece. We'll find out in the end.

 

[DragonCowboy]

I said my piece. We'll find out in the end.

I'd like to know your thoughts on what you'd do with sex offenders. Not trying to argue, I legitimately want to know.

I don't necessarily agree with the "chop his balls off" crew, but I think it's atrocious that this guy is getting out after 1 year.

Say you were to do some sort of psychiatric help, at what point would you know that the offender is properly rehabilitated? How would you reintroduce him/her back into society?

If this is a biological problem, it may not be right to punish the offender for life or maim him/her in some way, but it certainly would not be right to release the offender back into society unless you were absolutely sure he/she were fully rehabilitated.

 

[Tawney88]

I'd like to know your thoughts on what you'd do with sex offenders. Not trying to argue, I legitimately want to know.

I don't necessarily agree with the "chop his balls off" crew, but I think it's atrocious that this guy is getting out after 1 year.

Say you were to do some sort of psychiatric help, at what point would you know that the offender is properly rehabilitated? How would you reintroduce him/her back into society?

If this is a biological problem, it may not be right to punish the offender for life or maim him/her in some way, but it certainly would not be right to release the offender back into society unless you were absolutely sure he/she were fully rehabilitated.

This man didn't recieve appriopriate punishment, I don't think anyone said he did. That's the thing I believe is bothering some people they believe we think his punishment was just. No less than 20 years to life with extensive therapy would be appropriate to me. I'm not convinced they can be cured and I'd need to be certain they were to release them

 

[BlindFaith]

I'd like to know your thoughts on what you'd do with sex offenders. Not trying to argue, I legitimately want to know.

I don't necessarily agree with the "chop his balls off" crew, but I think it's atrocious that this guy is getting out after 1 year.

Say you were to do some sort of psychiatric help, at what point would you know that the offender is properly rehabilitated? How would you reintroduce him/her back into society?

If this is a biological problem, it may not be right to punish the offender for life or maim him/her in some way, but it certainly would not be right to release the offender back into society unless you were absolutely sure he/she were fully rehabilitated.

Therapy, the right kind, seems to be helping. But it takes more than treating these people like animals, even if some of them might deserve it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That's the point. It was merely you stating your opinion.

I don't agree.

I don't know that my posting history thus far would give you much of an indication on how I'd feel on this topic but ok. Exactly and your opinion is your own. Society once believed women shouldn't vote and people were some how less of a person because they were a different color. Basing my opinion on a topic because society tells me that is how I should feel, isn't what a free thinking society should be doing. I don't think either of us believed or even said (I know I didn't) that society believed the same way we do.

No, it doesn't, so I simply trust that you are telling the truth when you say,

"I happen to agree with much of what he has said regarding forgiveness, torture, in humane treatment of people."

as you did in your previous post. This is not a signal to you that I am making some sort of blanket judgement. I am simply taking you at your word. No dark mystery here. Had you read the entire thread, you would see that all of this is already addressed. Perhaps that would be helpful to you before you cover ground that has already been discussed.

As for Society, never in the history of Society, in this Country, has Child abuse and or Pedephilia been acceptable or even somewhat tolerated. While you are trying to compare Race and or Gender struggles in this country to Child Molestation, know that you are probably insulting every decent person of color and/or gender.

Like Comparing Apples to the planet KOI-351. Not even in the same Galaxy.

 

[WV Cowboy]

This man didn't recieve appriopriate punishment, I don't think anyone said he did. That's the thing I believe is bothering some people they believe we think his punishment was just. No less than 20 years to life with extensive therapy would be appropriate to me. I'm not convinced they can be cured and I'd need to be certain they were to release them

And how would you be "certain"?

Just yesterday I heard about a guy that spent 15 years in prison for armed robbery of a grocery store.
After 15 years he was released and the first thing he did was go and rob the very same grocery store.

Some people are crazy and we just can't figure them out.

We can not take that chance with child sex offenders. No second chances.

But like I've said twice in this thread, we need to educate our young men before they do something like this, .. that if you sexually molest a child, you are done, .. no second chance.

They can never be allowed to walk among our children, ... ever again.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Does this also extend to DWI, serial killers, people who kill for money and power? Corporations who don't mind killing employees in third world countries in exchange for profits?

you honestly believe that one's sexual preference is equivalent to deciding to pound a few back and drive, deciding to kill for profit? Seriously?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

you honestly believe that one's sexual preference is equivalent to deciding to pound a few back and drive, deciding to kill for profit? Seriously?

I guess I don't understand the femme Fatale response here. If I understood the point of your previous post, you are trying to articulate a point that suggest Pedephiles are a slave, so to speak, to their mental constitutions.

Well, if this is the case, then the argument can be extended to DWI, Serial Killers, Paid Killers and Corporate Heads who have no compunctions about loss of life for profit. All of these behaviors have been studied and clinically linked to certain behavior patterns or mental deficiencies that lead to all of these types of behavior patterns. It's a fair question. If you use this line of thought as justification for Pedephiles, then do you also extend it for these other types of criminal acts?