Some Things Just Don't Register With Me. This is one of them

[ABQCOWBOY]

I never suggest what I think or believe is right or that anyone should believe the same. That's for each person to decide on their own. I do openly share what I believe to anyone wanting to listen. And if someone changes the way they look at life based on that, then great.

And what I believe goes much further than what can be discussed here, which makes things more challenging when I try to explain the entirety of my beliefs.

Understood but the same can be said for anybody who posts along these same lines. All face the same basic

Sex offenders can be rehabilitated and are being rehabilitated through therapy. Some can not or choose not to.

I respect everyone's opinion and beliefs as long as they don't infringe on me or anyone else. Our prison system does not work, capital punishment does not work and treating people, no matter what the crime, like animals does not work.

If one out of 50 sex offenders can be helped, is it worth it? Or do we do as you suggest and treat them all like dogs with rabies?

No. An infatic no, as a matter of fact. If 2% is all you can achieve, then no. Why? Because what that success rate indicates is a 98% failure rate with all future victims. That, to me, is not a responsible approach.

 

[BlindFaith]

Agreed. A 2% success rate doesn't offer a great enough incentive to "reintroduce and hope for the best." Chemical castration has even proven unsuccesfull in recidivists.

The 1 out of 50 is a number I threw out there. I guess the one really doesn't matter to you.

http://www.saybrook.edu/forum/univ/...te-sex-offenders-acknowledging-their-humanity

http://www.crimelibrary.com/blog/ar...iles-reasons-for-cautious-optimism/index.html

 

[jnday]

Sex offenders can be rehabilitated and are being rehabilitated through therapy. Some can not or choose not to.

I respect everyone's opinion and beliefs as long as they don't infringe on me or anyone else. Our prison system does not work, capital punishment does not work and treating people, no matter what the crime, like animals does not work.

If one out of 50 sex offenders can be helped, is it worth it? Or do we do as you suggest and treat them all like dogs with rabies?

Yes, capital punishment does work. It is the only way to be positive that the criminal does not repeat his crimes.

 

[WV Cowboy]

The 1 out of 50 is a number I threw out there. I guess the one really doesn't matter to you.

http://www.saybrook.edu/forum/univ/...te-sex-offenders-acknowledging-their-humanity

http://www.crimelibrary.com/blog/ar...iles-reasons-for-cautious-optimism/index.html

Those sites disgust me, and the picture on the one site just reinforces my position and opinion on child molesters.

Just look at that guy, watching, stalking a small child, with who-knows-what on his mind.

People like that guy are sick and need to be removed from society.

 

[BlindFaith]

Would you have the same feelings for a pervert that raped your daughter? I have the same feelings toward my children and grandchildren that you have, but I also want them protected from scum. I am not willing to risk it. The first time a child is molested, is one time too many. I respect your views, but I have seen the dark side of humans too many times to trust many of them.

That's the million dollar question. Would I be willing to kill a man if he was trying to hurt my daughter, absolutely. Would I wish him dead or treated like an animal if he did rape her? I'd be a hypocrite if I said yes. And I really wouldn't know how I'd feel unless I was actually in that situation. So that's why I try to live every day without hate in my heart. So it just becomes who I am. And if the day should ever come that this would happen, I'd like to think I could look him in the eye and forgive him. To hope he can forgive himself. Just like I'd hope that someone would forgive my daughter if she did something awful.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Are child molesters asking for forgiveness much these days?

I could probably forgive the child molester before I could forgive the courts or judge that gave him the second chance.

 

[BlindFaith]

Those sites disgust me, and the picture on the one site just reinforces my position and opinion on child molesters.

Just look at that guy, watching, stalking a small child, with who-knows-what on his mind.

People like that guy are sick and need to be removed from society.

Or maybe you can just blame God for creating them that way.

 

[BlindFaith]

Are child molesters asking for forgiveness much these days?

I could probably forgive the child molester before I could forgive the courts or judge that gave him the second chance.

There are many pedofiles that probably live every day wishing they were something else.

 

[BlindFaith]

Yes, capital punishment does work. It is the only way to be positive that the criminal does not repeat his crimes.

Provided he or she actually committed the crime.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

just grease to the wheels of life is what you are

so in other words, you would not willingly go to jail for a crime you didn't commit in order to ensure the guilty are convicted

#hypocrite

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I know there are some of these are extremes, but during the time of our Constitution public hangings, firing squads were acceptable. That's not even getting into slavery. They went by a different scale than we do now.

true but compared to what some are saying is appropriate, a firing squad and public hangings seem like a walk in the park.

I am against capital punishment but if we are to bring it back, make it the guillotine and make Bumfard sit in the front row knitting like the ladies in the French Revolution.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

There are many pedofiles that probably live every day wishing they were something else.

bingo, no one wants to be one, some just cannot control their sexual preference. Doesn't mean they should not be punished for their crime (and yes bumfard, I agree that sex with minors is punishable as it is inappropriate in our society). However, that does not mean that all those sexual predators are happy being sexual predators.

 

[jnday]

Sex offenders should be incarcertated for life in mental institutions or prisons for the criminally insane. It's a psychosexual disorder (pedophilia). Is this what you are getting at?

Do away with them all. No need for tax layers to boot the bill.

 

[BigStar]

Do away with them all. No need for tax layers to boot the bill.

I agree. I was just trying to get BF to come out and say what he wants to say...then the web links. Just got tired of waiting.

 

[Tawney88]

No, I'm pretty sure you don't. If you did, you would certainly be able to identify the difference between Macho and a Personal Belief.

I'm happy for you and the fact that you seem to believe in something that works for you but you are sadly mistaken if you think that what you believe is the way for all. There are plenty of very justifiable reasons why those who thing this man should be dead or serving the rest of his life in a cell with other violent inmates is not entirely wrong.

If the question is, who are we to believe we have the right to make such decision, the answer is that we are Society and that is where you live. I don't agree with all things Society believes or even decides but I am not so foolish as to believe that my own personal opinions can change societies beliefs or even to decide that Societies beliefs are 100% wrong and mine or 100% right. You live within the confines and protection of Society. If you accept this, then you must accept that Society will also decide on certain aspects of your life. People who accept this are not wrong.

If you want to "fix" a person's Brain, that's fine. Show me how that's done in a reasonable way and I can support that. However, don't tell me that we need to "Fix" somebody who has a problem, such as this and then have no means by which to do so. That only puts more people at risk and while I understand that Death is not the accepted means by which solving this problem is currently handled, I also understand that this is not what a very large segment of our Society believe. I hear a lot of people saying it's not human but I don't see a lot of those same people providing any long term solutions on how to "fix" these people. One actually has to question if life long incarceration is more human then simply putting these folks to death. A very real question IMO.

Your idea of what is right is not a consensus. I ask you, how is it right, to force your opinion on every person or to consider others opinions and decide to live within the confines of what Society decides is moral? You must also consider that it may not be just your own Daughter who is being considered here. There are lots of parents out there with Daughter, and Sons for that matter, who must be considered. As for other corporeal planes of existence, be it 31 the Buddhists believe in or the 7 Michael teachings the New Age folks aspire to or anything in between, those are not what Society, as a whole. aspires to.

I am all for personal beliefs but I am not for assigning any one personal beliefs on all of Society. If I must be concerned with what my Daughter might be in another life, then I will deal with that reality when it actually exists. Who knows, if that actually comes to pass, the person who might be my Daughter now may not be my Daughter then. She may be somebody else's and I may be a rock, which in that case, will not be a concern to me.

In short, I don't agree.

How is it right for you to force your opinion on him? You've asked that several times to Blindfaith how does that question not fall back to you?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I get the macho stuff. I really do. When I was younger I felt the same way. Eye for an eye kind of thing.

But when my daughter was born I realized what unconditional love was. And if unconditional love existed, then the entity that created it must be a million times more capable of showing it than me. And if I could love and support my daughter no matter what she did, then this entity can and does feel the same towards all of us no matter what we do. This entity wouldn't wish pain or suffering on us, but rather compassion and forgiveness. It would want to see us end up in the best possible place that we could.

For us to treat another one if it's creations with such little respect and disregard is something we need to mature through. And how can we be so quick to judge?

If a persons brain is damaged, either physically damaged or damaged by nature/nurture, then is that person really representative of what they are as a spiritual being? If I'm blind in this reality, am I also blind in another? If I am mentally disabled in this life, am I also disabled in another? Can I be held accountable for what I do if my equipment is broken?

Sure, there are people that choose to ignore what's right in the world. They choose negativity over love. They choose greed over charity. They choose power over humility. But if we are all truly connected and these other spiritual beings are our family I feel we should try to help them. I would spend all of eternity trying to help my daughter find her way if she stumbled. How do we know that the person you're hating isn't really your "daughter" in another reality?

The only problem with what you have said is that there is no distinction between your fantasy world view and reality.

If one were to take a Biblical or Christian world view it would be a view that is based in the ultimate when it comes to unconditional love and forgiveness, while at the same time people would be held accountable for, and responsible for their actions. Like you, its a world view with all eternity in view. This was not posted to endorse or be religious in nature, but just to give a description of a historical world view and to show that there can be "unconditional love" while at the same time be consequences for heinous actions.

And to address the nonsense of your last statement - I have one daughter and I know who she is. No amount of fantasizing about other realities will ever change it in any way. And no amount of fantasizing about other realities will ever lead me or any other sane person to worry that if I want justice for a pedophile, that in some misguided way that the creep is my daughter in some other fantasy reality. Justice and paying the penalty for heinous acts is not hate nor hate based. Its called a consequence for an action. Actions and choices have consequences, both good and bad. Good choices generally have good consequences. Bad choices generally have bad consequences.

 

[BlindFaith]

I agree. I was just trying to get BF to come out and say what he wants to say...then the web links. Just got tired of waiting.

"If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them."

Its not about me. Its been said "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Would you have the same feelings for a pervert that raped your daughter? I have the same feelings toward my children and grandchildren that you have, but I also want them protected from scum. I am not willing to risk it. The first time a child is molested, is one time too many. I respect your views, but I have seen the dark side of humans too many times to trust many of them.

What if the pervert is really his daughter in another reality? Since he has no way to know this he has to unconditionally love the pervert just like he would his daughter. Because, after all, the pervert may really be his daughter.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Or maybe you can just blame God for creating them that way.

What makes you think that God created them that way?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

bingo, no one wants to be one, some just cannot control their sexual preference. Doesn't mean they should not be punished for their crime (and yes bumfard, I agree that sex with minors is punishable as it is inappropriate in our society). However, that does not mean that all those sexual predators are happy being sexual predators.

They can control it. Why do they always do it when nobody is around to protect the child? They just get the uncontrollable urge when others arent around? They never get the urge while sitting at the table with the family eating Thanksgiving dinner?