Some Things Just Don't Register With Me. This is one of them

[CanadianCowboysFan]

It is a sexual preference, we have no say in what our preference is. we are either straight, gay, whatever.

You do not choose to be straight, gay or pedophile, you just are. Whether you act on your pedophilic urge is another issue but you will always be attracted to young people.

No one is born to DWI, be a serial killer etc. You are born a pedophile. Nothing I do could make me want to have intercourse with a child, I am not inclined that way. However, I could end up with a DWI or the head of a corp that cares for nothing but profit etc

You have a slight, albeit very slight, point re serial killers but even then, it is conscious choice to become one for the most part. Killing for the hell of it is not a natural act for humans, we lost that desire millions of years ago except for those who would be considered anti-social. However, sexual urges are natural, nothing we can do about them.

As usual though, the hang em high crowd on this site is missing the entire point. No one who is saying the pedophile's sentence is correct, not one person is defending the act of having sexual relations with a child. No one is stating the person should not go to jail. We are taking issue with the "I would cut off his balls, I would kill him and happily go to jail for it" type crap that is posted by rote when a story like this comes up.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It is a sexual preference, we have no say in what our preference is. we are either straight, gay, whatever.

You do not choose to be straight, gay or pedophile, you just are. Whether you act on your pedophilic urge is another issue but you will always be attracted to young people.

No one is born to DWI, be a serial killer etc. You are born a pedophile. Nothing I do could make me want to have intercourse with a child, I am not inclined that way. However, I could end up with a DWI or the head of a corp that cares for nothing but profit etc

You have a slight, albeit very slight, point re serial killers but even then, it is conscious choice to become one for the most part. Killing for the hell of it is not a natural act for humans, we lost that desire millions of years ago except for those who would be considered anti-social. However, sexual urges are natural, nothing we can do about them.

As usual though, the hang em high crowd on this site is missing the entire point. No one who is saying the pedophile's sentence is correct, not one person is defending the act of having sexual relations with a child. No one is stating the person should not go to jail. We are taking issue with the "I would cut off his balls, I would kill him and happily go to jail for it" type crap that is posted by rote when a story like this comes up.

According to studies, drinking can be hereditary. If that is the case and you drink, then the decisions you make can be argued as Predestined. There is no scientific proof that I am aware of that supports your claim that Humans lost the desire to Kill Millions of years ago. You stipulate Anti-Social but can you not make the same case for pedophiles? Certainly, they can not be classified otherwise can they? People who value money and power, above all else are classified as dependent. Often, it stems from a deprived background. When you have nothing, material things become the object of your dependency. Money and power often being the object of those dependent behavioral patterns. Can you not use the same argument you used with Pedophiles to support these other acts of anti-social behavior?


I gather that your answer to my original question is no. I see no logical reason why it would be no but of course, that is your opinion and that's fine. The point here is that you must draw the line somewhere and clearly, you draw it just short of DWI, Corporate Entities, Serial Killers and the like.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

According to studies, drinking can be hereditary. If that is the case and you drink, then the decisions you make can be argued as Predestined. There is no scientific proof that I am aware of that supports your claim that Humans lost the desire to Kill Millions of years ago. You stipulate Anti-Social but can you not make the same case for pedophiles? Certainly, they can not be classified otherwise can they? People who value money and power, above all else are classified as dependent. Often, it stems from a deprived background. When you have nothing, material things become the object of your dependency. Money and power often being the object of those dependent behavioral patterns. Can you not use the same argument you used with Pedophiles to support these other acts of anti-social behavior?


I gather that your answer to my original question is no. I see no logical reason why it would be no but of course, that is your opinion and that's fine. The point here is that you must draw the line somewhere and clearly, you draw it just short of DWI, Corporate Entities, Serial Killers and the like.

I searched all my posts, read them thoroughly and nowhere did I see myself supporting pedophiles so your comment re using that argument to support other anti-social behaviour is a strawman. I never stated I supported pedophiles nor that they should be.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I searched all my posts, read them thoroughly and nowhere did I see myself supporting pedophiles so your comment re using that argument to support other anti-social behaviour is a strawman. I never stated I supported pedophiles nor that they should be.

I did not say you support Pedophiles. I asked if you could not see the point I'm trying to make, in relation to using the same argument you use to support your position on Pedophiles. The same basic reasoning, the same basic argument can be used, yet you do not see the wisdom in doing so, is that not correct?

 

[Tawney88]

I don't agree.




No, it doesn't, so I simply trust that you are telling the truth when you say,

"I happen to agree with much of what he has said regarding forgiveness, torture, in humane treatment of people."

as you did in your previous post. This is not a signal to you that I am making some sort of blanket judgement. I am simply taking you at your word. No dark mystery here. Had you read the entire thread, you would see that all of this is already addressed. Perhaps that would be helpful to you before you cover ground that has already been discussed.

As for Society, never in the history of Society, in this Country, has Child abuse and or Pedephilia been acceptable or even somewhat tolerated. While you are trying to compare Race and or Gender struggles in this country to Child Molestation, know that you are probably insulting every decent person of color and/or gender.

Like Comparing Apples to the planet KOI-351. Not even in the same Galaxy.

You said society deems what is acceptable I provided an example were society was wrong. I never once compared discrimination of race or gender to pedophiles. I used that example to illustrate society can and has been wrong.

 

[Tawney88]

And how would you be "certain"?

Just yesterday I heard about a guy that spent 15 years in prison for armed robbery of a grocery store.
After 15 years he was released and the first thing he did was go and rob the very same grocery store.

Some people are crazy and we just can't figure them out.

We can not take that chance with child sex offenders. No second chances.

But like I've said twice in this thread, we need to educate our young men before they do something like this, .. that if you sexually molest a child, you are done, .. no second chance.

They can never be allowed to walk among our children, ... ever again.

You have a point I guess you can't be certain and maybe this is a situation where permanent incarceration is the answer.

I have no issue with life in prison.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You said society deems what is acceptable I provided an example were society was wrong. I never once compared discrimination of race or gender to pedophiles. I used that example to illustrate society can and has been wrong.

The wrong and write of it is not the issue. I clearly stated in previous post that I do not always agree with what Society might deem acceptable. The reality is that you live within the fabric of society so you must abide by societies rules or you are outside of societal acceptance.

 

[Tawney88]

The wrong and write of it is not the issue. I clearly stated in previous post that I do not always agree with what Society might deem acceptable. The reality is that you live within the fabric of society so you must abide by societies rules or you are outside of societal acceptance.

Fair enough

 

[WV Cowboy]

It has been said in this thread that people are born pedophiles. That is the most ridiculous thing I may have ever read.
How easy, how convenient, ... "he was just born that way!"

I am sick of hearing that when talking about homosexuals, but I have no proof on that, .. only my opinion, my gut feeling, and common sense. So I will leave that for another discussion. I will give you that one, for now.

But to say that about a pedophile is absurd.

"We could just tell when he was a young boy that he would one day grow up and molest children." .. B U L L !!

Pedophiles are created by twisted things that they have experienced and filled their heads with as they grew up.

Maybe they were sexually molested, .. probably were. Probably more than once. This may be the biggest reason they desire to harm children.
They are molded and shaped by magazines that they see, books that they read, movies that they watch, relationships that were forced on them and went bad.
They can be influenced by excessive use of alcohol and drugs.
And in almost every case, sexual abuse and sexual violence can be traced back to a severe addiction to pornography. That is fact.

They continue to put these evil things into their head. They fill their minds with evil sexual fantasies. They think of them, dwell on them, and fascinate about them, .. until the opportunity presents itself, and they finally act on them.

People become pedophiles, they aren't born that way.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

People are born homosexual, it is not a learned behaviour. Given the anti-gay/lesbian bias that still exists in society, NO ONE would choose to be gay/lesbian. It is only as you would write "common sense"

 

[Denim Chicken]

It is not possible to be born a pedo. Think about it.

 

[WV Cowboy]

People are born homosexual, it is not a learned behaviour. Given the anti-gay/lesbian bias that still exists in society, NO ONE would choose to be gay/lesbian. It is only as you would write "common sense"

I clearly said that that is only my opinion, my belief. But I do know this:

I have heard (from a high school student in the Columbus area) where kids at a few high schools in the Columbus area a few years ago thought they had heard enough about homosexuality and thought they might just try it to see what all of the big hub-bub about it was, .. to see if they liked it.

So if it happened in one major city in the US, .. it has or will happen in more.

I have known people that were married, with children, .. and then decided they were getting out of that marriage and would up with a gay partner.

I have heard where people have come out of homosexuality saying that they escaped from the deceit and the lie.

It is not as cut and dried as you try to make it sound. Everybody makes choices.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Yeah those people who were married really were gay and covered it up due to societal pressure.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

It is not possible to be born a pedo. Think about it.

You are born with a sexual preference. Just be thankful you weren't born with an odd one.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Yeah those people who were married really were gay and covered it up due to societal pressure.

LOL, .. that rates up there with the "pedophiles are born that way" statement.

Could you cover your heterosexual preference by having homosexual relations, .. for ANY ANY ANY reason, .. least of all societal pressure?

I think not.

 

[Rockport]

People are born homosexual, it is not a learned behaviour. Given the anti-gay/lesbian bias that still exists in society, NO ONE would choose to be gay/lesbian. It is only as you would write "common sense"

This is bull. Just an excuse for weak minded folks to use on other weak minded folks.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It is not possible to be born a pedo. Think about it.

LOL.... Seems like that would be a really easy thing to reach agreement on but nope. The signal is not coming in.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

LOL.... Seems like that would be a really easy thing to reach agreement on but nope. The signal is not coming in.

why would I agree with you when you are wrong?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

This is bull. Just an excuse for weak minded folks to use on other weak minded folks.

you honestly believe someone chooses to be gay?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

LOL, .. that rates up there with the "pedophiles are born that way" statement.

Could you cover your heterosexual preference by having homosexual relations, .. for ANY ANY ANY reason, .. least of all societal pressure?

I think not.

are you really that naive?

No one would choose to be gay. There is no benefit in society to being gay, none. You are only gay because you were born that way.