Oz-of-Cowboy-Country
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Don't make me throw a D size battery at you.And Dallas is right now?
Don't make me throw a D size battery at you.And Dallas is right now?
Because 2 WR threats are better than 3.If Antonio Brown, Gronk weren't there...I think Mike Evans, Brate and Godwin would've been able to take the load but who I guess not according to you. Oh well.
Howard was part of their team, and got injured after 4 games.OJ Howard was injured and replaced by a FA.
Brate was a FA.
hargreaves doesn’t play for the Bucs.
The Bucs went out and got splash players and it paid off. Same with the chiefs. There’s nothing wrong with building through the draft and also not being miserly.
There are a lot of teams who have success in draft. its more about probabilities (not getting mathematical here). there is an evaluation process. its not 100%, but more 1st rounders succeed than 7th rounders and you are not going to get 7 good players added to the team every year. you get 3 high contributors you have done well. regardless, you keep drafting and if you have a good organization that can assess players and how they fit on the team, your chances of success are higher. bad teams, whiff a lot, reach a lot and miss a lot on draft picks.Go look at the success rate on draft picks, especially in the later rounds. It's a crapshoot. If you don''t believe it is, you haven't looked at the success rates. For the first round, it's around 50 percent. For the subsequent rounds, it gets worse.
You build through the draft because you take a lot of shots (for example, having 10 picks this year). Based on percentages, you get a few players among those 10 who become quality starters. Let's say you get three quality starters in a year, which is actually on the high side, just building through the draft, it would take you seven years to put quality starters at every position on offense and defense.
I 100 percent agree with you that you have to draft well, and I don't think anyone here is saying that you don't. But you also have to use free agency well.
Green Bay was not competitive until it vastly improved its defense. The year it won the Super Bowl, it had a very good defense. Charles Woodson was a big-time free agent piece of that (I could go back and point out more I'm sure, but I don't want to make the effort). Yes, having a great offense has been important to the Packers' success, but so has been a competent defense.
We've built a competitive offense, but we haven't done what Green Bay did to put a defense on the field that can help that offense and become a contender. You have to spend some money, money, money. It all goes hand in hand to putting a competitive team on the field.
You build through the draft. You supplement with free agency. That's how you put a team together. You don't grab some FAs off the trash heap and try to fill holes while you continue to build through the draft. If you do that, you are never going to succeed because there will always be holes to fill. You've got to fill those holes with quality to supplement the base you build with draft picks if you want to contend.
You're arguing to argue at this point. Just agree to disagree and move on this is pointless. You are riding and dying with this opinion to try and pave a point. Buccaneers have 4 very good wide receivers. Brate is a very good tight end. End of discussion.Because 2 WR threats are better than 3.
Because the 3rd string TE is as good as the 2nd.
Because ignoring the other guys mentioned on defense is convenient after embarrassing yourself by riding on the guy who barely played.
Got it.
and GB spent a lot of money on FAs and tried to build through FA...but that got them to 13th best defense.....and lost to a better defensive team in Bucs......now, the time comes to pay the piper for their offensive players and they may have some challanges. the problem is that to build a defense its not about one player transforming your team. it will take several and if there is no core, then that one key player ain't going to make much of a difference. for example adding Barrett to our defense would have made defense only slightly better, not make them dominant. we would need 4 or 5 more solid and high end contributors.....that's why I keep pushing that we need to fix and build our defensive core through the draft. if we can't figure it out...there is not enough money to fix this defense....
oh, that's what I have been saying all along. you build a core through draft, the areas you couldn't find/fill through draft you target through the "right" FA.The Bucs also used free agency and trades to supplement their defense. But I agree that we absolutely have to build our defensive core through the draft. Hopefully, that's the focus this year. However, to put that defense over the top, history shows you've got to use free agency to fill in the gaps. This is the way of the salary cap era. You can't build a complete team before your own players come up for free agency, and if they are the type of players you want starting for you, then you have to pay a pretty penny to keep them. Lawrence is a very good example of that.
If we go defense heavy in the draft, we have a chance of having a competitive defense before those rookies come up for a second contract if we supplement the draft choices with a few well-chosen free agents. If we continue to be so cheap that all we can get are broken-down players or never-was players, then this cycle will continue where players like Byron Jones leave for greener pastures before we can complete the defense. You need FAs that make your team slightly better instead of ones that make your team worse. Then that core you build in the draft can shine because they've got good players around them.
I am convinced (and I could be proven wrong) that the main problem with Jaylon Smith and LVE at linebacker this year (other than LVE's injury issues) was what we had in front of them. It's hard to run to the ball and get in lanes when the offensive line is able to manhandle the DTs and peel off to get out on the second level. So our core, those linebackers, are hampered because we failed to use FA to fill out the line in front of them. Fans get mad at LVE and Smith for seemingly freelancing, but when you don't have a nose tackle who can occupy two blockers long enough, that's what happens. When you don't have a 3-tech who can consistently get into the backfield and disrupt plays, that's what happens.
It's like drafting a cornerback in the first or second round (which we did with Diggs) and then not having the pressure players to make the quarterback have to get the ball out quickly. Even the best corner cannot maintain tight coverage for long.
oh, that's what I have been saying all along. you build a core through draft, the areas you couldn't find/fill through draft you target through the "right" FA.
and I have been advocating that we shouldn't really sign any pricey FAs this year, despite them addressing a need. one the cap is lower. two, we have so many needs. lets get through draft, lets give quinn one year to implement his system, lets see what we have in draftees, diggs, gallimore and wilson and then in 2022, we have a better idea of what holes we need to fill, what we can target in draft and FA....
in regards to your comment about LVE and Smith, I tend to agree, but with so many problems, it was difficult to assess if they are part of the solution or part of the problem. one thing was painfully, oh so painfully obvious that the middle of the DL needs to be addressed and strengthen that group. I do think Jaylon is more physically limited and needs to be protected. he is not good in space and his change of direction (or lack thereof) was painfully evident. he maybe usable if he stays close to the line, he has some short distance straight ahead quickness and speed and he likes to hit, so he can be the run stopping LB. we should be able to get a coverage/ off the ball LB in draft. lets give LVE one more year and perhaps if there is a stronger DL in front of him he can be better.
I don't think I disagree with you on that neither. I just think we have to build the core first, be close and then the pricey FAs or two....until then, with possibly 7 or 8 spots to fill, lets just wait.The only thing we really disagree on is pricey free agents. I think there are players who are worth the price and I'd rather have two of them than five or six lesser players. They would be multi-year fixes for a couple of positions that allow the team to focus the draft on other spots.
Everything is about value relative to ability. If the value is right, then I think Dallas should add a couple of players at the top of their game, depending on the opportunity to do that.
I don't expect that to happen, because it isn't the Cowboys way. Our only real hope is that this year's roll of the dice on bargain FAs turns out better than last year's.
Yea our fans and this site only really likes to pay ...Nobody and wants perfect drafts in which we let those players go and keep drafting great....all the good teams do it right lolI see on the boards all the time “build through the draft and bring in some stop gaps (scrubs) in free agency....that’s how you win a Super Bowl
Well Steve let’s take a look at the Bucs....
Notable free agents:
1. Tom Brady
2. Shaq Barret
3. Gronk
4. Fournette
5. Suh
6. Antonio Brown
7. Jason Paul
So you can go on living that lie that we will win a Super Bowl through the draft and free agency scrubs
I see on the boards all the time “build through the draft and bring in some stop gaps (scrubs) in free agency....that’s how you win a Super Bowl
Well Steve let’s take a look at the Bucs....
Notable free agents:
1. Tom Brady
2. Shaq Barret
3. Gronk
4. Fournette
5. Suh
6. Antonio Brown
7. Jason Paul
So you can go on living that lie that we will win a Super Bowl through the draft and free agency scrubs
If you have to go all the way to 2000..then naw it’s not BS.
Only ones notable are Barrett and Brady. They would’ve won the Super Bowl without them and quite frankly if it wasn’t for the draft that offensive line wouldn’t have been able to protect Brady.
You can’t hype up the Buccs without mentioning their best players on the team happen to have been their draft picks. Mike Evans,Vea, Winfield, Godwin......
I said they would've won without them other than Barrett and Brady.they would’ve won without Brady?
I said they would've won without them other than Barrett and Brady.
They did. As did the Eagles. This doesn't mean that it makes it the standard to win a Super Bow. Quite frankly, there's no blueprint on how to win a Super Bowl. People are making the connection but mind you the Cowboys just last year in free agency got Robert Quinn, Randall Cobb, Michael Bennett I believe during the season...and it resulted in 8 wins.the Peyton Broncos signed a ton of guys too no?
Yeah that's probably my mistake. I was more so saying I believe they would've won without guys like Gronk, Suh, Brown etc.oh. My bad lol.
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I don't think I disagree with you on that neither. I just think we have to build the core first, be close and then the pricey FAs or two....until then, with possibly 7 or 8 spots to fill, lets just wait.
They did. As did the Eagles. This doesn't mean that it makes it the standard to win a Super Bow. Quite frankly, there's no blueprint on how to win a Super Bowl. People are making the connection but mind you the Cowboys just last year in free agency got Robert Quinn, Randall Cobb, Michael Bennett I believe during the season...and it resulted in 8 wins.
The correct answer to this thread was answered a long time ago but I'll reiterate it. You don't avoid free agency and you don't avoid the draft. You need both to do well. Will it result in a championship? Probably not. But what's been proven int his league is that hunger wins Super Bowls. Go get that hunger anyway you can whether its the draft or free agency.