Sports 'He ripped us a new one': Cowboys newcomers quickly taking notice of Jason Garrett's standard

[Toruk_Makto]

Do I have to really point out all of the blunders this coaching staff makes? But i get it, its the players and jerrys fault for the mistakes the mistakes on gameday.

Please make a game by game breakdown for JG and then compare that to the top 10 coaches in the NFL....also on a game to game basis.

I also assume, naturally, you have access to the playbook, player responsibilities and play call for each snap.

Really looking forward to this analysis.

 

[Primetime42]

The point is that the NFL did respect him, at one point in time. Since then, the facts have born themselves out and he's established himself as a .500 coach. The book is out on him and he'll never see another head coaching job outside the Jones family.

I would absolutely take this bet if the opportunity came to pass

 

[Stash]

but but but the posters here tell me Garrett is a pushover and players don't respect him. so who am i to believe? the all-knowing posters on here (who actually know literally nothing other than what they gather from watching JG on the sidelines) or actual professional football players that all seem to like the guy?

it's such a dilemma!

Believe this:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/GarrJa0.htm

Everything else is opinion and noise that doesn't matter.

 

[Stash]

I would absolutely take this bet if the opportunity came to pass

Name the terms. I'm exceedingly confident. But we're both likely to have forgotten about it if and when the time comes.

 

[Primetime42]

Name the terms. I'm exceedingly confident. But we're both likely to have forgotten about it if and when the time comes.

It can be whatever you want. Favorite the thread and come back to it if/when he ever gets canned.

He's highly respected by current and former front office guys throughout the league. Certainly not infallible by any means, but guys I've spoken with generally like what he's been able to do to this point - aside from some mistakes last year which they think he's smart enough to learn from.

 

[Idgit]

I would absolutely take this bet if the opportunity came to pass

You're right. His reputation is strong with the people inside the league. He'll get interviews. And if he gets interviews, he'll get a shot just like he would have in Baltimore before he had HC experience.

Now, he couldn't win a fan vote for a new league job if that's how these things were decided. But then, that's not how these things are decided because fan votes don't count very much.

 

[Primetime42]

You're right. His reputation is strong with the people inside the league. He'll get interviews. And if he gets interviews, he'll get a shot just like he would have in Baltimore before he had HC experience.

Now, he couldn't win a fan vote for a new league job if that's how these things were decided. But then, that's not how these things are decided because fan votes don't count very much.

'xactly.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I haven't given up on what I saw in JG.......but its getting real close. He has to have a bounce back year, this year.......or he may just have to go. But sadly, I doubt they bring in another coach during Romos last 2-3 years....I think JG is tied to Romo. So JG probably has 2-3 years....then he is gone, unless there is at least a few Playoff wins....

 

[Stash]

It can be whatever you want. Favorite the thread and come back to it if/when he ever gets canned.

Actually, it would be pointless to do that, as the condition was seeing him ever get another NFL head coaching job. Any terms would be applicable then, or based upon an agreed-to time limit. More trouble then it's likely worth unless you have a better idea?

He's highly respected by current and former front office guys throughout the league. Certainly not infallible by any means, guys I've spoken with generally like what he's been able to do to this point - aside from some mistakes last year which they think he's smart enough to learn from.

And I've heard from people who have very little respect for the work he's done. The difference is that it's never a smart career move to publicly bad mouth another coach so you'll never get them to say anything on the record.

 

[Stash]

You're right. His reputation is strong with the people inside the league. He'll get interviews. And if he gets interviews, he'll get a shot just like he would have in Baltimore before he had HC experience.

Now, he couldn't win a fan vote for a new league job if that's how these things were decided. But then, that's not how these things are decided because fan votes don't count very much.

Sure it is. You keep telling yourself that. And then remember that "fan votes don't count very much."

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Everyone name your people.

It's come to this.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Please make a game by game breakdown for JG and then compare that to the top 10 coaches in the NFL....also on a game to game basis.

I also assume, naturally, you have access to the playbook, player responsibilities and play call for each snap.

Really looking forward to this analysis.

Comparing JG to top 10 coaches is laughable. There is a reason he shows up on the bottom of the lists when coaches are ranked.

In my post I didnt say he was a bad coach just from
Gameday blunders.

We are a mediocre team with him as the coach, that is a fact. If him not being able to win game without Romo isnt an indictment on his as a head coach, then I dont know what to tell you.

But go ahead and say we lost those games because of talent and not his shortcomings as a coach. Stephen came out and said himself and said coaching was an issue.

 

[Primetime42]

Actually, it would be pointless to do that, as the condition was seeing him ever get another NFL head coaching job. Any terms would be applicable then, or based upon an agreed-to time limit. More trouble then it's likely worth unless you have a better idea?



And I've heard from people who have very little respect for the work he's done. The difference is that it's never a smart career move to publicly bad mouth another coach so you'll never get them to say anything on the record.

You misunderstand. Most of them have no reason to worry about career, because they're already pretty well set regardless of what they say about so-and-so.

And those convos have been both on and off the record

 

[jnday]

He doesn't win on the field, why should he win in this thread?

I can quit posting . You express my thoughts better than I can do it myself.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Comparing JG to top 10 coaches is laughable. There is a reason he shows up on the bottom of the lists when coaches are ranked.

In my post I didnt say he was a bad coach just from
Gameday blunders.

We are a mediocre team with him as the coach, that is a fact. If him not being able to win game without Romo isnt an indictment on his as a head coach, then I dont know what to tell you.

But go ahead and say we lost those games because of talent and not his shortcomings as a coach. Stephen came out and said himself and said coaching was an issue.

Oh I see. You can't do what you said in a meaningful way. Got it.

 

[Seven]

Hope to see him in clean up duty during the 4th quarter a lot this year.

My thought as well...........a fresh Morris with his style of running.........could be brutal.

 

[Stash]

You misunderstand. Most of them have no reason to worry about career, because they're already pretty well set regardless of what they say about so-and-so.

Apparently, it is you who "misunderstands". These are goal-oriented professionals who work in a highly-competitive environment, and they all know that they'll always be looking for their next job. Publicly bad-mouthing anyone is damaging to their own career prospects.

And those convos have been both on and off the record

Everyone will sing another coaches' praises "on the record". There's no personal risk involved in being positive, even if it's not genuine.

People can feel free to infer whatever they'd like. I know the honest opinions I've heard.

 

[Bullflop]

Not surprising the new guys are impressed. I remember the clips from "Hard Knocks" way back when Garrett was in the meeting room asserting "no excuses" etc. and sounded real tough then. He's not dumb - he knows the lingo and what leadership/hard ***/ etc. looks like. He's just not that guy to make it happen. Best I can tell, he doesn't think on his feet well, especially on game day. He's also real good at not taking the blame either.

I'm afraid there's a significant difference between talking tough and living up to what it entails. The Cowboys' organization is exemplary about verbally making a case for a disciplinary type of philosophy but they tend to be soft when it comes to carrying it out. Garrett is no exception.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Oh I see. You can't do what you said in a meaningful way. Got it.

I dont have the time to go game by game and point out examples of his blunders. Especially to prove to you that he isnt a good head coach. They have been talked about on this board several times and can be found in the game day threads.

You can pretend he is comparable to top 10 coaches with his blunders all you want.

This guy wont get a head coaching gig when his time is up here. Unless he improves dramatically.

 

[CWR]

Comparing JG to top 10 coaches is laughable. There is a reason he shows up on the bottom of the lists when coaches are ranked.

In my post I didnt say he was a bad coach just from
Gameday blunders.

We are a mediocre team with him as the coach, that is a fact. If him not being able to win game without Romo isnt an indictment on his as a head coach, then I dont know what to tell you.

But go ahead and say we lost those games because of talent and not his shortcomings as a coach. Stephen came out and said himself and said coaching was an issue.

We lost those games due to a combination of both.