Star-Telegram - Surprise!! Barber gets the lower 1st rd tender

[alancdc]

And personally it's fine if we lose barber, but I will be alot more angry in losing Canty.

Not so sure I feel the same.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

which is why i agree - i want to keep him for his heart and his attitude. he's also a fan favorite because of these two things. however, my point is to all the people here whining that jones is a fool and a moron and how dare he do such a thing.

with what jones did he only risked a 3rd round pick. will that alone make him more attractive to a rb starved team? maybe, but i doubt it. if you want barber bad enough to lose your 1st round pick, the 3rd i'd say would be *not* a deal breaker.

I agree Jones isn't doing this without input from his entire staff. They know alot more about it than fans on the internet. It's obvious they have a plan. He said we might be surprised. Also, Jerry has said repeatedly that teams value #1 picks.

I love Barber, but let's not get too carried away. For all his heart and tenacity and fire, he's always been part of a tandem and he simply is not a franchise running back that can take a game over like a LT, Adrian Peterson, Emmitt Smith, etc.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

....and catch passes out of the backfield. How much is attitude worth?

Good additional point.

Bottom line: Proven/Results > taking chance on picks

 

[iceberg]

OTOH, Jeff Turner pretty much said that he'd give up the Titans first and third to sign Barber, so you have to think he'd be real quick to throw him an offer sheet if the asking price is just a first...

That's what's most puzzling about all this, Jerry knows there's a market out there for Barber... making him easier to steal for a crummy 500k doesn't make sense at this point... perhaps in the near future, the plan will become clearer...

but they're not going to steal him. barber doesn't have to sign whatever the cowboys offer now regardless unless another team doesn't want to help drive up his price. then we get him for the 1 year tender and can work on a long term contract.

the jeff fisher rumor was never validated and if he said it when he did the NFL would be on him for tampering. so i don't believe that rumor just because someone was bold enough to put it on a message board.

i'll agree on the surface it looks a bit puzzling. but we as fans from where we are simply do not have the whole story.

myself, i got tired long ago at raging at the initial picture only to go "oops, sorry" when more was clear and i better understood what was happening. you do that a few times you quit knee jerking - well probably should quit it. but some don't.

some hear 1 thing and go off on some cyber-tangent as if that 1 thing meant 10 others.

it doesn't.

so while it looks like this is strange, i'm sure behind closed doors there's a lot more meat on this skelaton we just don't see. but that never stops the ragers from raging.

in the end if a team wanted barber, maybe a lower tag makes him more attractive, maybe not. if you really wanted barber would $500k and your 3rd round pick stop you? so many are acting like those 2 things there the actual reason no one would pick up barber.

there's a lot more pieces than that despite that being the fun piece to whine about now by many.

 

[iceberg]

I agree Jones isn't doing this without input from his entire staff. They know alot more about it than fans on the internet. It's obvious they have a plan. He said we might be surprised. Also, Jerry has said repeatedly that teams value #1 picks.

I love Barber, but let's not get too carried away. For all his heart and tenacity and fire, he's always been part of a tandem and he simply is not a franchise running back that can take a game over like a LT, Adrian Peterson, Emmitt Smith, etc.

to which i agree. as fans we can spend whatever we want at no cost. we can spend 1st and 3rd rounders all day long (and many do, trading who they just got simply to get more so they can pick again cause the picking is the fun for them) and get what *we* want.

it's not that simple when it's YOUR actual millions on the line.

what's $500k? 10 years salary to many. yet many of those making only $50k or so are up in arms cause such a small amount may take away their favorite player.

if fans had an actual vested interest in fielding a team, i'd have to think many would not be so quick to trade away and spend away.

 

[jterrell]

This is interesting but probably not very important overall.

I seriously doubt teams will give up a first to sign Barber to a big time deal. It would be expensive and cost them their first. The one team who probably would have done it was the Pats but they do not have that late first now.

Would I take the 25th pick for Barber?

I probably would.

Barber is fantastic and draft picks are a crap shoot but he has not been a high carry guy and we have some nice options at RB at the 25th pick for about 2 mil per year for the next 4 years.

If BP wants to give up the first overall pick for Barber well of course I'd love that.

And again, I love Marion Barber. But it is hard to value RBs above first round picks because they generally have short shelf lives and there are so many good ones in the draft every year.

If you are Jerry why pay Barber an extra 500K this year knowing the extension talks are underway and he'll want 10 mil in signing bonus alone by next season. Offer the lowest you can get away with and make the Agent meet you in the middle to get the deal done long term.

Does anyone have an issue with taking 25 for Barber and selecting Jonathon Stewart if the alternative is paying Marion Barber... Larry Johnson money??

What if you could have Randy Moss and Stewart for that same salary?

All in all I bet the deal gets done long term but this interesting and probably not as dumb as most people are suggesting.

 

[theebs]

Norm is talking about the cowboys and free agency right now if anyone is interested in listening. I am curious to hear what his take on barber is.

www.theticket.com

 

[big dog cowboy]

Well if you want to go by conventional comparisons then you are right.

But what does he do?

• All he does is get chunks of yards
• All he does is fight for every last inch of the field
• All he does is inject explosiveness in our offense
• All he does is score TD's

I say he is very valuable and irreplaceable.

I see what you did there.

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

just think if someone takes the bait we could draft both arkansas backs. J/K

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Question; If a team does not have a first rounder, does they mean they are prevented from negotiating with Barber? How about teams like the Niners and Pats, who have a first rounder, but have it because of a trade? I doubt it would come into play this year since the Colts are all set at RB, but I was just curious.

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

Question; If a team does not have a first rounder, does they mean they are prevented from negotiating with Barber? How about teams like the Niners and Pats, who have a first rounder, but have it because of a trade? I doubt it would come into play this year since the Colts are all set at RB, but I was just curious.

those teams wouldn't fit the requirements so no they couldn't try to get him

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'd have given him the higher tag, but I doubt anyone makes a play for him anyway.

I do like the thought about getting a first and signing Turner, though.

Like I say, something about Barber makes me skittish about giving him too much money anyway. Sure, we all love his emotion, but that's only worth so much. I just don't see a true dominant lead tailback when I watch him.

Anyway, I think it's all moot because I bet we sign him to an extension anyway. Jerry and Stephen have said too many times lately that that's their goal.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

How about spinning this that Marion is asking for a contract that is larger then he is worth. I am a homer, but Marion isn't worht a 1st and 3rd. He just isn't. Smart business move by Jerry IMHO.

I think it is too.

It could end up either way (good or bad), but it's at least interesting to debate.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I see what you did there.

..................

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

Man, Jerry has pissed off plenty of Zoners w/ this move! Personally, I don't see what all the fuss is about! Marion still has a 1st round tender, Dallas has the right of first refusal, and w/ a draft LOADED w/ RBs I doubt too many teams will make a serious run at MB3. Don't let my statement disillusion you into thinking that I don't think the world of Barber, because I do, I just think JJ is testing the waters (so to speak) to see what the interest level is in Marion. I'm sure if a team w/ a low 20 draft pick offers Barber a contract that he'll match their offer but if it's in the top 10 I'd be willing to wager that Dallas would end up w/ another first! With that said, I'll be shocked (and somewhat disappointed) if the Barberian doesn't end up wearing the Star next season!

 

[MichaelWinicki]

This is interesting but probably not very important overall.

I seriously doubt teams will give up a first to sign Barber to a big time deal. It would be expensive and cost them their first. The one team who probably would have done it was the Pats but they do not have that late first now.

Would I take the 25th pick for Barber?

I probably would.

Barber is fantastic and draft picks are a crap shoot but he has not been a high carry guy and we have some nice options at RB at the 25th pick for about 2 mil per year for the next 4 years.

If BP wants to give up the first overall pick for Barber well of course I'd love that.

And again, I love Marion Barber. But it is hard to value RBs above first round picks because they generally have short shelf lives and there are so many good ones in the draft every year.

If you are Jerry why pay Barber an extra 500K this year knowing the extension talks are underway and he'll want 10 mil in signing bonus alone by next season. Offer the lowest you can get away with and make the Agent meet you in the middle to get the deal done long term.

Does anyone have an issue with taking 25 for Barber and selecting Jonathon Stewart if the alternative is paying Marion Barber... Larry Johnson money??

What if you could have Randy Moss and Stewart for that same salary?

All in all I bet the deal gets done long term but this interesting and probably not as dumb as most people are suggesting.

Well said.

I completely agree.

We were spoiled by Emmitt's longevity and durability.

Backs don't last that long and Barber's running style just don't instill the confidence in me that he's going to be around for 5 years averaging 20 carries per game. I just don't see it.

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

if he goes and we sign Turner then i'm ok we would have 3 1st picks. do we know really what Turner is about i mean he is playing behind the best runningback in the league. that is a big shadow. maybe he is good. i know he is fast

 

[superpunk]

Norm is talking about the cowboys and free agency right now if anyone is interested in listening. I am curious to hear what his take on barber is.

www.theticket.com

Let us know if he says anything interesting. I can't listen to the man.

I do like the thought about getting a first and signing Turner, though.

Might as well just draft Chris Johnson and have him gain 20 pounds.

 

[Bach]

ooooo - dime-mind chimes in!

~clears throat~

 

[jterrell]

Might as well just draft Chris Johnson and have him gain 20 pounds.

Turner actually did set the world ablaze in college though. He is a CJ type athlete with a proven body of work at the position. Turner was absolutely dominant and not just every 3rd game. I do think CJ is an ideal Turner starter kit as dominant kick returner, 10 carry, 3 screen a game guy.

I would welcome him here obviously.

I think we can make this RB deal work out in many ways

I am more concerned about LT, CB and WR.