Twitter: Stephen Jones: Josh Norman wants too much for Cowboys comfort

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL.

I was just thinking that. Norman, who is actually good, too pricey. Carr, who is not good, just about right.

He was slotted to make $15m off his franchise tag. The current top SB to a corner is $36m

Carr makes $10m AAV and is not in that price range.

 

[Nightman]

Brother. Brandon Carr is scheduled to make 9.1M dollars this year.




So?

We are not paying him 13.8M. People really need to understand the difference between salary cap charge and someone's salary. We are being charged a higher cap number now than his average annual salary because we were charged less in the past. This is smart management as in the past the cap was smaller.

So? People shouldn't talk on a subject if it is too complicated for them.

His cap charge is all that matters to the league.

For whatever reason Carr's cap charge is 13.8m.

His base salary is irrelevant to the league. We have 159.2m to spend even though the cap is 155.2m.

Not everything is the same for every team but a player's cap charge is official.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

So? People shouldn't talk on a subject if it is too complicated for them.

His cap charge is all that matters to the league.

For whatever reason Carr's cap charge is 13.8m.

His base salary is irrelevant to the league. We have 159.2m to spend even though the cap is 155.2m.

Not everything is the same for every team but a player's cap charge is official.

I get that.

But people need to realize that Norman asking for 16m a year in AAV is very different than Carr's final cap year charge being 13.8m.

 

[Nightman]

He was slotted to make $15m off his franchise tag. The current top SB to a corner is $36m

Carr makes $10m AAV and is not in that price range.

Norman's cap charge doesn't have to be 15m even if they pay him 15m. That is the point.

DAL could pay Norman a 30m SB and have his cap charge be 7m this year on a 5/75m deal.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Norman's cap charge doesn't have to be 15m even if they pay him 15m. That is the point.

DAL could pay Norman a 30m SB and have his cap charge be 7m this year on a 5/75m deal.

I'm just saying Carr's money and what Norman is about to get are two entirely different things. I know we can fit him.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Norman's cap charge doesn't have to be 15m even if they pay him 15m. That is the point.

DAL could pay Norman a 30m SB and have his cap charge be 7m this year on a 5/75m deal.

Which means his cap charge for years 3-5 is well over $16 million. His charge would be Carr's on steroids.

All for a CB who is recognized as a zone corner.

 

[Jerryrage]

Whatever Stephen. Enjoy the worst secondary in 2016.

 

[Nightman]

Which means his cap charge for years 3-5 is well over $16 million. His charge would be Carr's on steroids.

All for a CB who is recognized as a zone corner.

Actually it would be very similar to Carr's with inflation and a lot like Dez' deal. If he is worth it, so is Norman.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Actually it would be very similar to Carr's with inflation and a lot like Dez' deal. If he is worth it, so is Norman.

Unfortunately (for you), just because you say it doesn't make it true. The cap is 28 percent higher today than in 2012 when we did the Carr deal. You advocate giving an older Norman 50 percent more in total comp. Not to mention their guarantees would be vastly different.

Not to mention that Carr is just half a year older than Norman is today. At least conceivably when we payed Carr he was still an ascending player.

 

[MrPeanutbutter]

Actually it would be very similar to Carr's with inflation and a lot like Dez' deal. If he is worth it, so is Norman.

According to whom, exactly? You?

 

[gimmesix]

These days that seems to be any contract with a bunch of guaranteed money.

 

[Nightman]

Unfortunately (for you), just because you say it doesn't make it true. The cap is 28 percent higher today than in 2012 when we did the Carr deal. You advocate giving an older Norman 50 percent more in total comp. Not to mention their guarantees would be vastly different.

Not to mention that Carr is just half a year older than Norman is today. At least conceivably when we payed Carr he was still an ascending player.

Just like someone always on the losing side of the argument to try and parse every word. 8% of the cap is so much different than 9% of the cap.

Similar doesn't mean identical but multi-sylable words can be tough.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Actually it would be very similar to Carr's with inflation and a lot like Dez' deal. If he is worth it, so is Norman.

No, it wouldn't. Your math skills are horrible.

 

[DandyDon52]

Norman is asking a lot, but the way I see it, is would he be as good here with marinelli's scheme ?????
He might not be any better than carr.
In Carolina he has a different DC (probably better one),and he has a better group of defensive players
to play with.

Put him here with our guys and our coaches, and I doubt he will be as good as he was in Carolina.
It isnt just the player, it is the coaching and scheme, play calling, and supporting cast of players.

So unless we would hire their DC too, I doubt you would get your moneys worth with norman.

Carr was a star with another coach and group of guys, but came here and not as good,
and it isnt all his fault.

Marinelli is part of the problem with our defense, he is good in some ways and bad in others,
and he does not do certain things well. like blitz , and late game zone is awful.
He is trying to remake something that was good when he had star players, and it wont work
unless you have a all star defensive group,
And any DC can do good with that lol.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Welp, doesn't matter. Norman signed w/ Washington. 5 year, $75 m, $50 m guaranteed.

Asomugha, pt II.

 

[Nightman]

Welp, doesn't matter. Norman signed w/ Washington. 5 year, $75 m, $50 m guaranteed.

Asomugha, pt II.

you wish

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Just like someone always on the losing side of the argument to try and parse every word. 8% of the cap is so much different than 9% of the cap.

Similar doesn't mean identical but multi-sylable words can be tough.

What are you babbling about?

Norman just became the highest paid corner in all of football. His AAV is 50 percent more than Carr's and he was guaranteed over 90 percent more.

Basic arithmetic can be tough.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

No, it wouldn't. Your math skills are horrible.

Thank you. I'm confused if he really believes this.

 

[Nightman]

No, it wouldn't. Your math skills are horrible.

another poster that doesn't know what similar means and what part of 5/75m isn't like Dez' 5/75m

 

[Nightman]

What are you babbling about?

Norman just became the highest paid corner in all of football. His AAV is 50 percent more than Carr's and he was guaranteed over 90 percent more.

Basic arithmetic can be tough.

There you go again not being able to read.

Carr was 8% of the cap. Norman is 9% of the cap. That is similar, not identical.