Stephen Jones says the 1 priority in the offseason is to find a backup Qb

[CrownCowboy]

He's your only real shot. The guys in the draft will likely all suck. The young QBs in the NFL are woefully lacking compared to 10 years ago. Just a collection of JAGs.

This is what I have been trying to say.

It seems like the vast majority of people here want to draft a QB in the top 5 just to say that we did indeed draft a QB. Hardly no discussion at all in this thread has been about the quality of and capabilities of the QB's coming out of the draft this year.

What's the point in drafting a guy in the top 5 if he isn't any good? You might as well just take one in the middle rounds because unless most scouts think there is a QB in the draft that is as close to a sure thing as there is, then there really is no difference. With that being said, nobody really knows how these players will turn out but it seems like the consensus is from the scouts I have listened to and have read from that none of these QB's coming out are studs.

I agree that we should be starting to think about our future at the position but that doesn't mean we should automatically throw a top 5 pick in the drain when there is no stud QB coming out. We need to upgrade our backup spot next year, perhaps let the QB position come to us next year in the draft in the middle rounds, get Romo healthy and get us a young running back.

I would be all in on drafting a QB in the top 5 if there was a stud available. Just not seeing it this year.

And Johnny Manziel?

For the people lobbying for him. Do you really think you can rely on him for anything? Yeah, Tony Romo is aging and is injury prone, but even with that he is way more reliable than Manziel. The dude is a self-absorbed little child that half the scouts to this day think doesn't have what it takes to be a NFL star on the field.

 

[IrishAnto]

Sigh.

Always fixing last seasons problems with this FO. Then next season, new problems will arise and will spend the next off-season fixing those.

This is what people mean when they say this organization is reactive, not proactive.

Drafting Romo's replacemennt this year would be proactive.

 

[IrishAnto]

Has anyone even watched Maziel play lately? The dude has looked really goodand has been playing the position well. Going through his progressions like a veteran and leading the team on scoring drives. I know he has some immaturity and off the field issues, but if you could fix that...

They didn't fix Joseph Randle did they? And if e starts playing well hy would the Browns let im go?

 

[Stash]

He's your only real shot. The guys in the draft will likely all suck. The young QBs in the NFL are woefully lacking compared to 10 years ago. Just a collection of JAGs.

JAG's who are winning games, and championships.

Plenty of quality quarterbacks have entered the league over the past several years and been very successful.

If Romo is this team's "only shot", we may as well cash it in for the next several years. That thinking is a big part of what helped get us to this epic failure of a season.

 

[Stash]

Wow, that makes, like, absolutely no sense whatsoever.

It makes more sense than discounting every quarterback coming out of college.

 

[Miller]

My biggest fear in drafting a Top 5 QB is not that we make the wrong pick but that he is coached up by Red. No joke

I don't want them sending too high of a pick for someone. They'll overreach. Jerry needs to take his words from a few weeks back to heart. When talking about Weeden he said he thought he could be good and coached because he was a 1st rounder so there was talent. He will look at RG3, Johnny and others like that instead of actually finding the right fit.

 

[Stash]

Bringing Manziel here would patently stupid and typical Jerry. Manziel will be on and off suspension the rest of his career. He's a tiny alcoholic headcase who refuses to watch film.

Perhaps Sam Bradford as a backup?

I do not want to spend a top pick on a backup anything. This team needs more Byron Jones and La'el Collins, not clipboard holders.

You're in the best position to get a quarterback of the future that you've been in years. And everyone hopes that this is an anomaly and not something that will soon be repeated. If we're drafting in a similar position next year, there will be more changes than just a quarterback. So, if not now, when do you draft a quarterback of the future?

I'm not advocating forcing one, but if the talent is there, why wouldn't you draft him? This team needs more long term thinking and less 'missing piece of the puzzle' decision-making.

 

[Stash]

Ten months ago, Romo was brilliant in Green Bay after having the best year of any quarterback in Cowboys history.

Heal the bone, and let's go.

Don't forget that back. That thing's not suddenly going to get better either.

 

[Doc50]

If Jason is still running the show then the clues to who will be considered for the backup QB center around these factors:
1. Do they have experience in the Coryell offense trained preferably by Norv or Linehan? Bob Bratkowski, Cam Cameron, Brian Schottenheimer, and especially Hue Jackson (because of the current success of the Bengals offense) are also considered worthy mentors of Jason's interest in a player.
2. Did they attend a school that has experience in distance and timing routes?
3. Do they or did they attend a high character school like Baylor?

My guess is that the QBs with most of those qualities would be RG3, Taylor Hernike, or AJ McCarron (would have to be a very valuable trade)

But if Jerry saw that Weeden and Cassel were erroneously trusted with the keys to the Ferrari based on Jason's "Norvs stamp of approval" and Jerry is reconsidering the Garrett's (Judd and Jason and whatever influence Jim still has) talent standards (as evidenced by this season's wave of non-RKG players and the failure of Garrett players such as Streets and T.Williams), he might seek the backup QB on his own...like Manziel or someone from his favorite schools like Oklahoma, Arkansas, A&M, or Boise St.

Ultimately, if Jason is still coaching and is unyielding that his "system" is the absolute monarchy of the offensive part of the team, then no matter who the QB is, aside from one who can scramble well, the speed and talent around Dez has to improve or the QBs in Jason's system will continue to encounter the failure that Romo, Weeden and Cassel did this year. Streets runs a 4.55 and gets knocked out of his patterns and Terrance Williams, plays scared, runs only a 4.5 and doesn't catch the ball above his chin. Most successful Coryell offenses have WRs who run under 4.4 (see the Manning Colts and Warner Rams). Dallas has WRs who would be great at high percentage offenses like the WCO: tall, good RAC and prefer close high percentage passes.

To be sure, look at this basic description from Wikipedia of the players required for Jason's Coryell offense contrasted with a Walsh WCO:

"The Coryell offense attacked vertically through seams, while the West Coast offense moved laterally as much as vertically through angles on curl and slant routes.[24] The Coryell offense had lower completion percentages than the West Coast offense, but the returns were greater on a successful play. "The Coryell offense required more talented players, a passer who could get the ball there, and men who can really run—a lot of them," said Walsh.[25] He said the West Coast offense was developed out of necessity to operate with less talented players. He noted, "[Coryell] already had the talent and used it brilliantly."[25]

Good analysis.

Our WR talent is sorely lacking, and all have problems that are difficult to coach up.

Even the scatback slot (Beasley) who everyone thought would be a great weapon this year has been limited.

The scheme and play calling is too predictable, the QB can't throw or read accurately enough, and the WR's can't get separation.

A new WR coach, a couple of new receivers, and a healthy Romo with a talented backup should fix that.

Would prefer a new OC though, with his own new assistants.

 

[Wrangler87]

Manziel has played one game in the past month and looked mediocre against the 49ers.

Obviously, you didn't watch that game.

 

[pansophy]

This is what needs to happen. I'm hopeful in what he means by back up is eventually finding Romo's replacement as well.

Then you are talking about our 1st round draft pick.

 

[Wrangler87]

You can't fix a weak arm...

It doesn't look weak to me, or the NFL scouts. Manziel also has one of the fastest releases I have seen in some time.

 

[Stash]

Unless I have 2-3 QBs in a real competition for the starting job, making them all adequate backups, and usually meaning none of them are franchise QB's like Romo, my number one quality I'm looking for in a backup QB is the ability to run. A backup QB can hit a wide open receiver for a long TD, but most backup QB's and few mediocre starters can run a 10-12 play drive that goes 70-80 yards for the score. That was our MO last season. We had lots of long drives, ate up lots of clock, and kept our defense off the field.

When your starter goes down, you have to be able to change your offense and play calling to fit a backup QB. That means you recognize they are going to be inconsistent and that defenses are going to blitz them, so you must take shots downfield and go for big chunks more often than with your starter.

Having a backup QB who is a real threat to run for first downs on broken plays or bootlegs and draws is more important to me than maybe having a 5% better pass completion percentage than a statue back there.

I question our entire process of quarterback evaluation. Given the limited number of good ones and the overall value of the position, I think it's imperative that a team do not just a good job, but a superior job of identifying and coaching that spot. And while it's not easy and hasn't been for any teams, I think our failures there have been glaring.

Other than Romo, essentially a happy accident, we've been abysmal at drafting, trading for, or signing anyone at that position since Aikman was forced into retirement.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Drafting Romo's replacemennt this year would be proactive.

Assuming they do.

If they draft, or pick up, a guy that they as nothing more than a back up then they won't be proactive.

You'll know the difference by who they get at QB.

 

[IrishAnto]

Assuming they do.

If they draft, or pick up, a guy that they as nothing more than a back up then they won't be proactive.

You'll know the difference by who they get at QB.

I'm talking top two rounds. Anything else is not taking it seriously.

 

[big dog cowboy]

They saying the #1 priority is backup QB instead of saying a QB of the future is just more evidence they are still in the dumb and dumber mind frame.

Ever consider both those roles could be the same player? Do you know for a fact that isn't what Stephen was thinking?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, Jason Garrett. That has to be the worst management team in the history of sports.

Hard to believe they were a blown call away from the NFC championship game less than one year ago isn't it?

 

[Risen Star]

The bigger priority is the clipboard QB and he doesn't know it. Yet.

 

[reddyuta]

Ever consider both those roles could be the same player? Do you know for a fact that isn't what Stephen was thinking?

I cant give both the Jones's as pass on this,these guys are that dumb when it comes to QBs.I am hoping Will Mcclay can beat some sense into them.

 

[CATCH17]

It doesn't look weak to me, or the NFL scouts. Manziel also has one of the fastest releases I have seen in some time.

Agree.

His arm looks stronger than I expected.


As a backup for Romo I think he is absolutely perfect.. I just don't know if he is worth the circus he brings.