Stephen Jones wants to see Dez Bryant in better shape

[Toruk_Makto]

This has been long discussed in local DFW circles among the media. It's also been mentioned by Garrett, and even Romo. Dez has been asked about it. He dehydrates easily. It's happened in multiple games. In hot, muggy games in the stadium, he's disappeared late in games because of it. I didn't make this up. Other posters here on this forum have heard, seen, and said the same thing.

But no, Toruk, not every single game. Yes, Dez Bryant has caught passes in fourth quarters before. He most certainly has. If that makes you feel like you won your high school debate tournament, then congratulations!

I have literally given you the facts that makes all these ancedotal pieces of nonsense....just that...nonsense. A narrative that has grew wings because nobody has analyzed the actual statistics.

You can free your mind and learn something new. Or you can doggedly stick to your incorrect dogma.

I hope you choose the former...though I think you'll do the latter.

 

[Meat-O-Rama]

How is it calling him out? This narrative about the holdout and missing workouts is nothing new.

Yeah, this sounds like he referring to last year. Not calling Dez out. I don't think it's new news that Dez held out and when he came back a variety of issues kept him from going full speed, like his hamstring soon after signing.

 

[Nightman]

Dehydrating and getting cramps is a lot different than being "in shape"....if anything he works too hard

 

[erod]

I have literally given you the facts that makes all these ancedotal pieces of nonsense....just that...nonsense. A narrative that has grew wings because nobody has analyzed the actual statistics.

You can free your mind and learn something new. Or you can doggedly stick to your incorrect dogma.

I hope you choose the former...though I think you'll do the latter.

You think stats are meaningful. I don't. They are anecdotal by their very nature in football. They assume that all parts of all games from all teams are identical in all circumstances. They account for so little of what actually happens that have a direct impact on actual outcomes of games.

They are a crutch for those that don't see, or don't want to see, the human and artistic side of the game.

Football isn't played on an Excel spreadsheet.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

You think stats are meaningful. I don't. They are anecdotal by their very nature in football. They assume that all parts of all games from all teams are identical in all circumstances. They account for so little of what actually happens that have a direct impact on actual outcomes of games.

They are a crutch for those that don't see, or don't want to see, the human and artistic side of the game.

Football isn't played on an Excel spreadsheet.

You said Dez fades in the 4th and is an easy cover.

The empirical evidence shows that the 4th is Dez's most dominant quarter.

If you're trusting your eyes over these stats....get new eyes.

 

[erod]

You said Dez fades in the 4th and is an easy cover.

The empirical evidence shows that the 4th is Dez's most dominant quarter.

If you're trusting your eyes over these stats....get new eyes.

“When he would lose concentration in the last part of the game, I don’t know if that was because of conditioning. I suspect it could’ve been,” Jones said, via the Dallas Morning News. “That’s not to be critical, but I suspect that, rather the injury had anything to do with that or not, those are the things that we’re working on so he can be more impactful in the latter part of the game.”

The stats seem to back Jones up: Bryant was much more productive before halftime last year (37 catches for 558 yards and seven touchdowns) than he was in the third and fourth quarters (25 catches for 344 yards and two touchdowns). When Jones says that there are things “we need to work on as a coaching staff to get him the ball,” some may view that as an owner meddling too much in the coaches’ decisions. But in the case of Bryant needing to get into better shape, he may be right.

“When he would lose concentration in the last part of the game, I don’t know if that was because of conditioning. I suspect it could’ve been,” Jones said, via the Dallas Morning News. “That’s not to be critical, but I suspect that, rather the injury had anything to do with that or not, those are the things that we’re working on so he can be more impactful in the latter part of the game.”

The stats seem to back Jones up: Bryant was much more productive before halftime last year (37 catches for 558 yards and seven touchdowns) than he was in the third and fourth quarters (25 catches for 344 yards and two touchdowns). When Jones says that there are things “we need to work on as a coaching staff to get him the ball,” some may view that as an owner meddling too much in the coaches’ decisions. But in the case of Bryant needing to get into better shape, he may be right.

 

[erod]

You said Dez fades in the 4th and is an easy cover.

The empirical evidence shows that the 4th is Dez's most dominant quarter.

If you're trusting your eyes over these stats....get new eyes.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-suspects-dez-bryant-has-conditioning-issues/

“When he would lose concentration in the last part of the game, I don’t know if that was because of conditioning. I suspect it could’ve been,” Jones said, via the Dallas Morning News. “That’s not to be critical, but I suspect that, rather the injury had anything to do with that or not, those are the things that we’re working on so he can be more impactful in the latter part of the game.”

The stats seem to back Jones up: Bryant was much more productive before halftime last year (37 catches for 558 yards and seven touchdowns) than he was in the third and fourth quarters (25 catches for 344 yards and two touchdowns). When Jones says that there are things “we need to work on as a coaching staff to get him the ball,” some may view that as an owner meddling too much in the coaches’ decisions. But in the case of Bryant needing to get into better shape, he may be right.

It's been an off-and-on problem, especially in humid games. More so than other receivers on the team.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

“When he would lose concentration in the last part of the game, I don’t know if that was because of conditioning. I suspect it could’ve been,” Jones said, via the Dallas Morning News. “That’s not to be critical, but I suspect that, rather the injury had anything to do with that or not, those are the things that we’re working on so he can be more impactful in the latter part of the game.”

The stats seem to back Jones up: Bryant was much more productive before halftime last year (37 catches for 558 yards and seven touchdowns) than he was in the third and fourth quarters (25 catches for 344 yards and two touchdowns). When Jones says that there are things “we need to work on as a coaching staff to get him the ball,” some may view that as an owner meddling too much in the coaches’ decisions. But in the case of Bryant needing to get into better shape, he may be right.

I gave you Dez's career stats before half time and after and by quarter. He has been at his best in the 4th. Do you dispute this?

 

[casmith07]

I gave you Dez's career stats before half time and after and by quarter. He has been at his best in the 4th. Do you dispute this?

Crickets.

 

[Wood]

am I the only one that has this churning feeling that Dez will soon start appearing on most 'over-rated over-paid' list? I really hope we haven't seen his best already.

 

[MRV52]

Send Goodell the memo.

Better not might take me to court.

 

[Risen Star]

am I the only one that has this churning feeling that Dez will soon start appearing on most 'over-rated over-paid' list? I really hope we haven't seen his best already.

You're not alone. I think at the very least he's a front runner.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Since when does Ro McClain escape criticism?

He's a lazy, worthless piece of crap that needs to be replaced as soon as possible. That's the general feeling.

Apparently not by the coach or management, they re-signed him.

 

[Risen Star]

This is like Keith Richards demanding you get clean.

 

[ufcrules1]

I have some thoughts on this, but I'll have to tell you later. I need to go get an IV now.

That was a good one. I'm guessing he doesn't hydrate himself very well. Staying up into the early morning hours playing Madden football probably doesn't help either.

 

[ufcrules1]

You think stats are meaningful. I don't. They are anecdotal by their very nature in football. They assume that all parts of all games from all teams are identical in all circumstances. They account for so little of what actually happens that have a direct impact on actual outcomes of games.

They are a crutch for those that don't see, or don't want to see, the human and artistic side of the game.

Football isn't played on an Excel spreadsheet.

This is your best post ever on this board... but don't tell PercyHoward any of this.

 

[ufcrules1]

am I the only one that has this churning feeling that Dez will soon start appearing on most 'over-rated over-paid' list? I really hope we haven't seen his best already.

You aren't the only one. He has all the talent and genetics in the world but I don't think he is mentally strong.

 

[Risen Star]

You aren't the only one. He has all the talent and genetics in the world but I don't think he is mentally strong.

That can't even be questioned.

Seriously. I would move Dez ASAP. To the rabble! rabble! rabble! of the fans that will eventually see the wisdom of the decision down the road.

 

[Bullflop]

I, for one, can relate to Stephen's concerns. Dez can't afford to lose any speed, nor can he afford to come to camp in subpar condition. It really remains to be seen if Dez's foot and ankle recover sufficiently to allow him to revert back to his former play of a few years back. Seems to me that Stephen is quite concerned and with good reason.

This team's dependency upon Dez is huge and any downturn in his effectiveness could very possibly prove to be nothing short of catastrophic. Of course, it surely wouldn't be Dez's fault if his foot and ankle aren't up to par well enough to allow him to rebound effectively, however.

Much is riding upon his return to better times. Let's just hope it materializes, as it remains to be seen if there's anyone in the shadows who is capable of taking up the slack. That's one aspect of TC that should prove interesting.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Dez is always spent by the fourth quarter.

He spends so much energy jaw-jacking with the other team and stomping up and down the bench between series, he's exhausted in the end.

It doesn't help that he's not the crispest of route runners either. Without a full tank, he's a rather easy cover late in games.

Yeah he was spent vs Green Bay. He was spent vs NY in the game where his pinky was out of bounds. He was spent vs Houston for that gw catch. He was........do I need to continue? Now post factual incidents where you saw Dez spent. Tell me when he was jogging in the 4th quarter or when he ran a wrong route in the 4th. I'll wait