Stephen Jones wants to see Dez Bryant in better shape

[erod]

Yeah he was spent vs Green Bay. He was spent vs NY in the game where his pinky was out of bounds. He was spent vs Houston for that gw catch. He was........do I need to continue? Now post factual incidents where you saw Dez spent. Tell me when he was jogging in the 4th quarter or when he ran a wrong route in the 4th. I'll wait

Did I say every game? It's been discussed at length here in Dallas, even by Jerry, Garrett, and Romo.

 

[stilltheguru88]

It still irks me that Cowboy fans dont appreciate what Dez brings to the team. Last year was the only time he had an issue with drops which is more than likely due to his injury. Early in his career he had mental blunders but I never see Romo telling him where to lineup anymore. Dez is fine physically. Mentally he can still grow when it comes to getting too riled up but he'll always talk trash, he just needs to be more calculated with it. Hes grown from 2010 to now and i doubt he's done growing. Good to see (fans) dont want to give him a chance to grow though, because we all know Dez Bryant is why this team fails.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Stephen calling out players again. .....great news

That's not how I took it. Dez didn't participate in the offseason conditioning program. Sounded to me more like STephen is a believer in Woicik's program. He should be seeing he hired him.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The generic playbook erases Dez for entire games. In one game vs Atlanta last year i saw the falcons use Julio Jones in more creative ways than we've used dez in 5 years

Dez has to be able to run the routes. The knock on Dez since he's been here is a limited route tree. That was just at the Z. I like the idea of having him line up at the X, Y, and even more exotic formations but Dez has to know how to play those positions. He hasn't.

They did start running him out of the slot running drag routes and the like last year but then he got hurt.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Dez has to be able to run the routes. The knock on Dez since he's been here is a limited route tree. That was just at the Z. I like the idea of having him line up at the X, Y, and even more exotic formations but Dez has to know how to play those positions. He hasn't.

They did start running him out of the slot running drag routes and the like last year but then he got hurt.

Fuzzy works for Dallas apparently. He knows what routes Dez knows. Annoying fans like Isaid

 

[khiladi]

Call me when Stephen calls out 'Red Ginger'...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy works for Dallas apparently. He knows what routes Dez knows. Annoying fans like Isaid

http://cowboyszone.com/2012/12/filling-out-route-tree-helped-dez.html

Here is a good article that discusses Dez's progression. Now show me something detailing how the playbook is 'generic.' I'm not going to hold my breath.

 

[khiladi]

Dez ran the drag route plenty when Callahan was OC and they put up 50 against Denver...

He knows how to run a drag route from the slot.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dez ran the drag route plenty when Callahan was OC and they put up 50 against Denver...

He knows how to run a drag route from the slot.

Callahan kept him at the Z. They aren't run the same from each position because of how route combinations work and it's the details that make the difference.

I like Dez and he is progressing nicely but Dez's position refinement that has limited him more than the coaching staff. It's been that way from the very beginning.

 

[khiladi]

http://cowboyszone.com/2012/12/filling-out-route-tree-helped-dez.html

Here is a good article that discusses Dez's progression. Now show me something detailing how the playbook is 'generic.' I'm not going to hold my breath.

Two plays from two different games isn't proof of a trend.

The fact that they targeted him once against the Giants in that game for example, and never went back him is probably more a proof that it's not part of their game plan, not because Dez can or cannot do it.

They targeted the sidelined when TO was here as well. I remember he was even asked why they don't use him from the slot or motion more and he put it on the coaches.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Two plays from two different games isn't proof of a trend.

The fact that they targeted him once against the Giants in that game for example, and never went back him is probably more a proof that it's not part of their game plan, not because Dez can or cannot do it.

They targeted the sidelined when TO was here as well. I remember he was even asked why they don't use him from the slot or motion more and he put it on the coaches.

You can demand exhaustive analysis but as opposed to your position which is based on nothing, I know what I find more compelling.

I have a tremendous respect for Vela. Those were plays he used to highlight the overarching point.

Still waiting for your basis for indicting Linehan. Anything at all.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Did I say every game? It's been discussed at length here in Dallas, even by Jerry, Garrett, and Romo.

I remember them talking about how he spent so much energy before the game and on the sideline that he couldn't play 60 minutes.

 

[khiladi]

You can demand exhaustive analysis but as opposed to your position which is based on nothing, I know what I find more compelling.

I have a tremendous respect for Vela. Those were plays he used to highlight the overarching point.

Still waiting for your basis for indicting Linehan. Anything at all.

I'm not demanding an exhaustive analysts..

The point is two plays, one which doesn't even show improper route-running but Dez looking over his shoulder, doesn't demonstrate any trend. He's making a claim, but his evidence is weak.

Even Vela admitted Dez 'blew' one route against the Giants and then Dallas didn't use him from the middle again. If he was open, but made a minor mistake, it's the coaches fault for not going to it again out of multiple chances. But they didn't.

One could argue that Dez was at fault, but that was also a poor throw by Romo. You can't assume that just because it's a timing route, by default it's Dez's fault anyways. That's an assumption.

If you consider him your number 1 receiver and expect to toss the ball up to him and come down with it in double-coverage, say he's been lighting up training camp and is uncoverable, then it's pretty much hogwash to claim that applied only to basic routes that any WR can run..

And it's not Linehan's playbook anyway. It's Garrett's passing offense. When Linehan was in Detroit, Reggie Bush, a RB, was a 1000 yard receiver I believe.

Like I said, even the use of TO was questioned here.

 

[stilltheguru88]

http://cowboyszone.com/2012/12/filling-out-route-tree-helped-dez.html

Here is a good article that discusses Dez's progression. Now show me something detailing how the playbook is 'generic.' I'm not going to hold my breath.

2012? Yeah youre a troll. Goodbye

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not demanding an exhaustive analysts..

The point is two plays, one which doesn't even show improper route-running but Dez looking over his shoulder, doesn't demonstrate any trend.

Even Vela admitted Dez 'blew' one route against the Giants and then Dallas didn't use him from the middle again. If he was open, but made a minor mistake, it's the coaches fault for not going to it again out of multiple chances. But they didn't.

One could argue that Dez was at fault, but that was also a poor throw by Romo. You can't assume that just because it's a timing route, by default it's Dez's fault anyways. That's an assumption.

And it's not Linehan's playbook anyway. It's Garrett's passing offense. When Linehan was in Detroit, Reggie Bush, a RB, was a 1000 yard receiver I believe.

You really going to argue that in our Coryell offense it wasn't a timing route?

Your characterization of Vela's point is poor. I'll quote him directly and let him speak for himself:

The Cowboys passing offense emphasizes timing and accuracy. Romo throws to predetermined spots. Here he’s putting the ball between the hash marks at the Giants 40. It’s Bryant’s job to get to that spot. Receivers are taught from day one to “be where you’re supposed to be. Do not fool your quarterback.”

Dez was late arriving at his spot, in part because he took the long way ’round. Webster was playing outside of Bryant and worked to jam Bryant off the line, re-routing him too far inside. Bryant made the proper adjustment after the jam, pushing up-field and widening out, to give Romo an inside target. However, Bryant is supposed to plant hard at 16 yards and cut sharply inside. If necessary, he’s supposed to come back to his QB for the ball. Here, he drifted too far wide, was late on his cut and rounded his in-move. The lack of precision let Brown get underneath Bryant, and the Giant intercepted Romo’s pass:

That Vela article was just the first one I found. Let's find more then.

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...eceiver-dez-bryant-s-route-running-is-limited

http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2014/08/20/dez-bryant-my-route-running-can-get-better

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...not-nearly-the-route-runner-michael-irvin-was

I suppose Drew Pearson, Troy Aikman and Dez himself don't know what they are talking about?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

2012? Yeah youre a troll. Goodbye

I'm adversarial but my intent is to challenge views not troll. My point was it's been a concern from the beginning. I just cited 3 more articles. You still have nothing to support your claims about the playbook.

What you guys are failing to understand is I'm aware that I am not going to overcome fans set on an idea. I'm arguing for the sake of our audience because I think you are spouting poor information. If you want to run along then buh-bye then.

 

[KJJ]

Stephen calling out players again. .....great news

Someone needs to call them out pretty refreshing if you ask me. All Jerry ever does is coddle them. The only time I can remember him jumping on the team was in 2010 and they went 5-3 the second half of the season.

 

[stilltheguru88]

I'm adversarial but my intent is to challenge views not troll. My point was it's been a concern from the beginning. I just cited 3 more articles. You still have nothing to support your claims about the playbook.

What you guys are failing to understand is I'm aware that I am not going to overcome fans set on an idea. I'm arguing for the sake of our audience because I think you are spouting poor information. If you want to run along then buh-bye then.

if youre dumb enough to think you can be an all pro with a limited route tree i feel for you.

 

[stilltheguru88]

the latest article was training camo 2014 and Dez had an all pro year. safe to say he saw his issues and corrected it,no？

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

if youre dumb enough to think you can be an all pro with a limited route tree i feel for you.

So now you're going to try and insult my intelligence. now that I've limited my multisyllables you guys just don't know how to come at me any more though.

Dez didn't move around in 2014 when he was all pro. It is what it is.

Good thing I didn't hold my breath for you to justify your playbook comments.