Still not excited about Crayton.....

[iceberg]

There is only one man who can answer all of our questions. That is Patrick. Yesterday was a hell of a start. We are having trouble getting our offense going until the second half. Crayton can change that. Opposing defenses will mortgage the house to stop the running, Witten, and TO. If Crayton can come alive consistently (even half the production of last Sunday) even the mighty Patriots and going to feel the heat.

agreed - the pats game is going to go a long way in telling us where we really are.

 

[fortdick]

It's not WHY he didn't have a catch, it only contributed to not having a catch. The season will continue with him playing #2. It's up to him to prove he is a valid #2.

IF you double TO, then Crayton will beat you. Glenn will eat your lunch.

The only thing that worries me about Crayton is getting hurt on kick returns. Without Glenn, we are getting shallow if Crayton goes down. Hurd is okay, Austin I am not sure about, and Stanback is the uber-athlete that kind find the field.

 

[Stash]

Yes, they are holding there own right now. I'm just not looking at only right now.

What more can they do that they haven't done? Both Hurd and Crayton have made plays when given the chance, Crayton's gaffe against the Bears notwithstanding.

Don't know what a Philoe is, can't be good I guess, I will respond to your post nicely I guess, even if you aren't nice to me.

Don't mean to be 'not nice', but Philoe was a tool who 'lol'd' at his own posts. And trust me when I say you would want to avoid the comparison.

Never said he wasn't a good player or "criticized" him harshly. I just see him better in his role of a #3, and a number #2 if there is an injury to the top 2.

Harper was a speed compliment to Irving, and yes, tampa did find out he wasn't a true #1. One thing is true, if you have a #1 like TO, then your #2 doesn't have to be quite as good.

It does depend on the team of course, and its other components. Can Crayton fill in at #2 now, yes, but in our current position, we need a #2 that can develop into a #1 eventually.

I don't see where it says the team won't look for a future #1 receiver in next year's draft. If you show me where it says that, maybe I'll worry.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

What more can they do that they haven't done? Both Hurd and Crayton have made plays when given the chance, Crayton's gaffe against the Bears notwithstanding.

Don't mean to be 'not nice', but Philoe was a tool who 'lol'd' at his own posts. And trust me when I say you would want to avoid the comparison.

I don't see where it says the team won't look for a future #1 receiver in next year's draft. If you show me where it says that, maybe I'll worry.

Well, I don't know him, but you are certainly giving me a headache.

There have been posts about us not needing another WR cause of Crayton. My only point was that Crayton isn't our future #1, so we do need another WR prospect to fill that role.

 

[Stash]

Well, I don't know him, but you are certainly giving me a headache by being a tool.

As bad as the headache you're giving us with this "Patrick Crayton=bad" nonsense?

Then consider us even.

There have been posts about us not needing another WR cause of Crayton. My only point was that Crayton isn't our future #1, so we do need another WR prospect to fill that role.

Then take it up with the other misinformed around here in those posts.

But two wrongs aren't making a right here.

 

[Clove]

I'll say this. Just like we had to prove we could be a great defense, Crayton has to go up against a stud CB before I totally annoint him.

Having said that, I believe Crayton has a combination of some quickness, route running precision, excellent hands, and tackle breaking ability. But having speed on your offense is a deadly thing.
Even if the guy is slightly less talented, if you are a great OC as Garrett is, you can take a guy with speed, and just annihilate defenses.

Draft a great speed guy with receiving skills in the 1st rd, and another speedy guy in the 3rd or 4th.

 

[Doomsday101]

Well, I don't know him, but you are certainly giving me a headache.

There have been posts about us not needing another WR cause of Crayton. My only point was that Crayton isn't our future #1, so we do need another WR prospect to fill that role.

You started the thread by saying how you were not excited about Crayton a guy just coming off a big game with over 180 receptions and 2 TD passes. What the heck do you expect? Crayton may not be a #1 WR he can play the #2 spot very well and is getting this oppertunity now. The past games Romo has been able to find his main target in TO but now when a team is willing to do a lot more to take him away Crayton did what any other #2 WR in this league does which is go out and make big plays.

 

[dogunwo]

When and if Terry Glenn comes back, I still think Crayton should start and Glenn in the slot for the rest of the season.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

As bad as the headache you're giving us with this "Patrick Crayton=bad" nonsense?

Then consider us even.



Then take it up with the other misinformed around here in those posts.

But two wrongs aren't making a right here.

You obviously need to reread the thread instead of attacking me for untruths. Noone has said Crayton is bad, but you just did.

 

[Bizwah]

Crayton is a great third WR. He may even be a good number two. He's a poor man's Hines Ward right now.

He's a lot bigger in person than I ever picture. I can see now why he breaks so many arm tackles of CBs.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

You started the thread by saying how you were not excited about Crayton a guy just coming off a big game with over 180 receptions and 2 TD passes. What the heck do you expect? Crayton may not be a #1 WR he can play the #2 spot very well and is getting this oppertunity now. The past games Romo has been able to find his main target in TO but now when a team is willing to do a lot more to take him away Crayton did what any other #2 WR in this league does which is go out and make big plays.

Oh I expected it to be unpopular, lol. I just don't see us in the position to have a guy long term at the #2 spot that can't be a #1 given TO and Glenn's ages.

Good for now is different from good for the future, and when you consider we have to think about his contract and such, it should at least be brought up. Given if I had said it last week, noone probably would have cared, but this week didn't change my opinion, although it did for many others.

 

[Doomsday101]

Oh I expected it to be unpopular, lol. I just don't see us in the position to have a guy long term at the #2 spot that can't be a #1 given TO and Glenn's ages.

Good for now is different from good for the future, and when you consider we have to think about his contract and such, it should at least be brought up. Given if I had said it last week, noone probably would have cared, but this week didn't change my opinion, although it did for many others.

As I said before I have no issue with Dallas looking at the draft for a top WR but as far as a guy like Crayton yes in my opinion he can do the job as the #2. He had 4.4 speed which is pleanty fast he has great hands and runs very good routs and knows how to get open. Phillips said the same about Crayton he knows how to get open and has great hands. If teams want to double TO then go for it but Crayton is very capable of beating one on one coverages.

 

[FLcowboy]

Crayton just proves how badly fans overrate the WR position. (Look no further on overrating the WR position than the claims that losing Terry Glenn was going to singlehandedly sink our entire offense).

When you have a great OL and QB, WR's just kind of fall into place. The Colts lost Marvin Harrison yesterday early in the game, and Manning didn't miss a beat against what is believed to be the the best secondary in the NFL.....
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The Eagles have a pretty good O-Line, and a pretty good quarterback. They have crap for WRs. Last night was an aberration because Reid refused to give the rookie some help. Mediocre WRs are going to hurt even the strongest teams.

 

[FLcowboy]

Off topic I know, but Ferg is likely done here.

Maybe, but Remi better start excelling, or he'll be gone. Ratliff will go back out to the end position if/when Tank arrives. Ratliff is doing a great job filling in though.

 

[zeromaster]

::yawn::

 

[FLcowboy]

Your entitled to your opinion I think Crayton is very capable of doing the job and if you want to belittle him that is fine with me I just disagree that Crayton can do the job and have watched Pro Football long enough to know that speed is not what it is all about Crayton has great hands had decent hieght and can get open and make the catches. Crayton is not small nor he is slow he may not be as fast but he is fast enough to take it to the house. This is not track and field it is football and Crayton brings enough to the table to do the job.

People are comparing Crayton's speed to Owens when T.O. ran to catch up and make the block. Crayton had already started to slow down when T.O. whizzed past him.

 

[Stash]

You obviously need to reread the thread instead of attacking me for untruths. Noone has said Crayton is bad, but you just did.

Maybe you need to think before you type something.

'Still not excited' isn't a compliment for most rational people.

I'm not 'attacking' you at all, just poking holes in a bad theory.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

As I said before I have no issue with Dallas looking at the draft for a top WR but as far as a guy like Crayton yes in my opinion he can do the job as the #2. He had 4.4 speed which is pleanty fast he has great hands and runs very good routs and knows how to get open. Phillips said the same about Crayton he knows how to get open and has great hands. If teams want to double TO then go for it but Crayton is very capable of beating one on one coverages.

I guess where we disagree a little is what we want from our #2 right now. I think Crayton can be adequate as a number #2, but I don't think he can be an elite #2. As we sat with TO, Glenn, and Crayton, all 3 were elite for their spots.

Noone in this thread has said they think Crayton can be a #1, and with the age of TO and Glenn, that does present a problem. We both hope that we can fill that role through free agency or draft, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it does need to be addressed soon.

Now if TO was younger, I would be fine with thinking about Crayton as a #2, but that isn't our position. I believe we need to be developing our next #1 with our #2 spot in our current condition.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

'Still not excited' isn't a compliment for most rational people.

I'm not 'attacking' you at all, just poking holes in a bad theory.

"Still not excited" doesn't equal "bad" to most people rational people either. As for poking holes in a theory, you are yet to make any point whatsoever, so I have yet to see any holes you have poked.

I have said many times I like Crayton, I just think we need to be developing a long term answer at #1 WR.

 

[Clove]

As I said before I have no issue with Dallas looking at the draft for a top WR but as far as a guy like Crayton yes in my opinion he can do the job as the #2. He had 4.4 speed which is pleanty fast he has great hands and runs very good routs and knows how to get open.

Didn't know he was that fast, wow.