Still not excited about Crayton.....

[iceberg]

See, I don't think Crayton is a 1,000+ receiver. Right now he is on track for 1048 yards, but if you just use the first three games he was on track for 416. (26YD per game * 16 Games = 416 total yards) You cannot honestly believe Crayton is going to continue with this type of production just because of one out of four games? If he does, then more power to him, but based on what I've seen, it's not going to happen. He was covered by Lenny Walls who at best is a nickel or dime CB. He has no business being a starting CB.

btw, I said $4M/yr (or 5Y/$20M) for Bradie's contract.

while i agree crayton isn't likely to get 180 yards every week, who is? but you can't take out 1 game as if it didn't happen when it makes the rest look so minimal. the fact is we have a lot of weapons and on any given week one can hit it. maybe 2.

but never all.

this was craytons week and he took it to the house. he can play and that's all there really is to it.

 

[WoodysGirl]

See, I don't think Crayton is a 1,000+ receiver. Right now he is on track for 1048 yards, but if you just use the first three games he was on track for 416. (26YD per game * 16 Games = 416 total yards) You cannot honestly believe Crayton is going to continue with this type of production just because of one out of four games? If he does, then more power to him, but based on what I've seen, it's not going to happen. He was covered by Lenny Walls who at best is a nickel or dime CB. He has no business being a starting CB.

No one said Crayton is going to put up 150-yard games consistently. This is Crayton's chance to shine and in four games, he already has more than half of what he produced last year. He can still get about 800 yards or so this season with Witten, TO, and the two running backs getting catches, I think those numbers would he would definitely be worthy of a contract close to Bradie's based on today's NFL economy.

btw, I said $4M/yr (or 5Y/$20M) for Bradie's contract.

I was posting it for those who didn't have the numbers.

On a side note: I searched for a receiver with comparable career receiving numbers and I came up with Joe Jurevicious. 3/11/2006: Signed a four-year, $10 million contract. The deal included a $2.25 million signing bonus. 2007: $1 million, 2008: $1.9 million, 2009: $2.4 million, 2010: Free Agent

Crayton could very well get a contract that falls between Juurevicious and James' contract.

 

[BouncingCheese]

Jurevicious's deal souns about fair. Both are good slot recievers.

 

[YosemiteSam]

So you're not going to count the Rams game (why?), but you ARE going to count the Miami game when he got his finger bent sideways and barely played, and the Chicago game, when his finger apparently still bothered him?

If you take out the Miami game, when he was hurt, he's averaging 4.3 catches for 87.3 yards per game -- on pace for 65 catches, 1,310 yards and 10 touchdowns.

Even if he never has another game like yesterday's but averages only what he did in the opener against the Giants (before his injury), he'll finish with 49 catches for 874 yards, which would have ranked 15th in the NFC last season -- or fifth-best among NFC No. 2 receivers (or fourth, if you don't count our own No. 2) and better than six NFC teams' No. 1 receiver.

Hey, I'm willing to give credit where credit is do. This is a show me league, and damnit you've got to show me. If you had read my post before this one, I said he he can do it, more power to him. I said from what I've seen, he isn't showing it. One game doesn't make a career and like I said, Lenny Walls is NOT a starting caliber CB. Osi registers six sacks last night against a guy who started for the very first time and didn't play in a single game last year. He got exposed and so did Lenny Walls. Terry Glenn isn't coming back next week. If Crayton wants to be a starting WR, then he better put on a show because his first three games aren't going to do it. He was held without a catch against Miami. Consistency is a requirement to be a starter.

As I've noted, I like Crayton. I think he is a great #3. If he wants to start, he has to consistently make plays.

 

[Stash]

Guess my point with it is that, if you have a number one as elite as TO, it would be nice to have someone that is developing beside him to eventually take his place at TO's advanced age. I just don't see that in Crayton, and it has been said many times in this thread that others don't see him as an eventual #1 either.

Who are the Colts developing behind Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne?

Who are the Bengals developing behing Chad Johnson and Houshmanzadeh?

Who are the Panthers developing behind Steve Smith?

I don't see many teams developing future #1's behind their top receivers. No team has that luxury.

What I want is our #2 to be a guy that can eventually take over at #1 (cause of TO and Glenn's age). Crayton isn't that guy.

"And I want a gold-plated toilet seat, but it's not in the cards baby!"

The Cowboys currently have a top offense with a terrific passing game. And this without a 1,000 speed receiver in Terry Glenn.

I seem to remember the 'sky is falling' crowd bemoaning Terry Glenn's loss. How about now?

We should be happy with what we have, not worrying about what may or may not be.

Caryton is a solid player for this team and a fine #2 receiver.

If the team mistakes him for their future #1, it's their fault, not his.

And we have no indications that they're thinking that way.

Can't we be happy for what we've got?

 

[Deep_Freeze]

So you're not going to count the Rams game (why?), but you ARE going to count the Miami game when he got his finger bent sideways and barely played, and the Chicago game, when his finger apparently still bothered him?

If you take out the Miami game, when he was hurt, he's averaging 4.3 catches for 87.3 yards per game -- on pace for 65 catches, 1,310 yards and 10 touchdowns.

Even if he never has another game like yesterday's but averages only what he did in the opener against the Giants (before his injury), he'll finish with 49 catches for 874 yards, which would have ranked 15th in the NFC last season -- or fifth-best among NFC No. 2 receivers (or fourth, if you don't count our own No. 2) and better than six NFC teams' No. 1 receiver.

Its 1310 yds and 8 TDs, but I know your point.

I believe we have one of the elite top 3 WRs units in the league with Glenn on the field, and as pointed out, last year that is true. But in order to keep that standing, we need a second receiver that is as high as Glenn was last year.

The reason why they were good is cause Glenn was better than those 6 NFC #1s, lets not give that advantage up by not developing someone who has the ability to play the #1, but just happens to be our #2 (like the Colts).

 

[iceberg]

No one said Crayton is going to put up 150-yard games consistently. This is Crayton's chance to shine and in four games, he already has more than half of what he produced last year. He can still get about 800 yards or so this season with Witten, TO, and the two running backs getting catches, I think those numbers would he would definitely be worthy of a contract close to Bradie's based on today's NFL economy.

I was posting it for those who didn't have the numbers.

On a side note:
I searched for a receiver with comparable career receiving numbers and I came up with Joe Jurevicious. 3/11/2006: Signed a four-year, $10 million contract. The deal included a $2.25 million signing bonus. 2007: $1 million, 2008: $1.9 million, 2009: $2.4 million, 2010: Free Agent

Crayton could very well get a contract that falls between Juurevicious and James' contract.

i think he'll go 5 years, $14mil, $3mil bonus then just up the ante every year till we hit an average of $2.1mil a year.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Fred Blinticalf (sp?) did not have speed but great hands...

 

[Crown Royal]

i think he'll go 5 years, $14mil, $3mil bonus then just up the ante every year till we hit an average of $2.1mil a year.

I think he'll shop around the league and Jones will match whatever he gets.

 

[iceberg]

Hey, I'm willing to give credit where credit is do. This is a show me league, and damnit you've got to show me.

how did 180 yards and his TD *not* show you? or do you mean "show me 10 times before i believe you can do it"?

 

[Crown Royal]

how did 180 yards and his TD *not* show you? or do you mean "show me 10 times before i believe you can do it"?

And it isn't like this is the first time he's ever had a great game. Since his TD against Sean Taylor in 2004, he's had a string of 'how did he do that' plays.

Remember his touchdown in 2005 against the raiders, where he broke about 5 tackles? How many long TDs did he catch from Romo last year? He would have another touchdown this year if not for the drop against the bears - and I think that was an exception, not a rule, as Crayton generally catches EVERYTHING.

 

[iceberg]

And it isn't like this is the first time he's ever had a great game. Since his TD against Sean Taylor in 2004, he's had a string of 'how did he do that' plays.

Remember his touchdown in 2005 against the raiders, where he broke about 5 tackles? How many long TDs did he catch from Romo last year? He would have another touchdown this year if not for the drop against the bears - and I think that was an exception, not a rule, as Crayton generally catches EVERYTHING.

like a friend of mine said elsewhere, it only takes 1 "aw crap" to wipe out a career of "atta-boys!".

 

[AdamJT13]

If Crayton wants to be a starting WR, then he better put on a show because his first three games aren't going to do it. He was held without a catch against Miami.

Why are you completely ignoring Crayton's injury?

 

[AdamJT13]

Its 1310 yds and 8 TDs, but I know your point.

Since I was removing the Miami game, when he was hurt, it's 10 TDs -- two TDs in three games is 0.667 TDs per game, times 15 possible games is 10.

 

[iceberg]

Why are you completely ignoring Crayton's injury?

or his what, his ~50 yard return to setup a score?

the agenda driven drive me mad.

 

[zrinkill]

Why are you completely ignoring Crayton's injury?

:bang2: its frustrating isn't it.

 

[YosemiteSam]

while i agree crayton isn't likely to get 180 yards every week, who is? but you can't take out 1 game as if it didn't happen when it makes the rest look so minimal. the fact is we have a lot of weapons and on any given week one can hit it. maybe 2.

but never all.

this was craytons week and he took it to the house. he can play and that's all there really is to it.

Nobody expects him to get 180 yards a week.

No one said Crayton is going to put up 150-yard games consistently.

Well, then he sucks. Get rid of him!

On a side note: I searched for a receiver with comparable career receiving numbers and I came up with Joe Jurevicious. 3/11/2006: Signed a four-year, $10 million contract. The deal included a $2.25 million signing bonus. 2007: $1 million, 2008: $1.9 million, 2009: $2.4 million, 2010: Free Agent

Crayton could very well get a contract that falls between Juurevicious and James' contract.

I would sign him to that type of contract to keep him. Just for the fact that he has made big plays as the third receiver and he returns punts.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Nobody expects him to get 180 yards a week.

Well, then he sucks. Get rid of him!


I would sign him to that type of contract to keep him. Just for the fact that he has made big plays as the third receiver and he returns punts.

Just remember that that contract was before the salary cap explosion. I think he gets closer to James' contract than Jurevicious, either here or elsewhere.

 

[YosemiteSam]

how did 180 yards and his TD *not* show you? or do you mean "show me 10 times before i believe you can do it"?

184 yards and two TDs was great, but consistency is important.

Why are you completely ignoring Crayton's injury?

:bang2: its frustrating isn't it.

If the injury was that big of an issue, then he shouldn't have been playing. Jeez, you guys are acting like I hate the guy. I like him, he just yet to consistently prove he is starting caliber! :bang2:

 

[iceberg]

184 yards and two TDs was great, but consistency is important.


If the injury was that big of an issue, then he shouldn't have been playing. Jeez, you guys are acting like I hate the guy. I like him, he just yet to consistently prove he is starting caliber! :bang2:

so his being the best #3 WR in the league is meaningless?