Still not excited about Crayton.....

[Deep_Freeze]

Who are the Colts developing behind Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne?

Who are the Bengals developing behing Chad Johnson and Houshmanzadeh?

Who are the Panthers developing behind Steve Smith?

I don't see many teams developing future #1's behind their top receivers. No team has that luxury.

Wayne has been developed behind Marvin, look at their ages.

Chad and TJ are both alot younger than TO and Glenn

Who said the Panthers were smart or an elite offense for that matter.

I'm talking about things that will maintain our status as an elite offense.

"And I want a gold-plated toilet seat, but it's not in the cards baby!"

The Cowboys currently have a top offense with a terrific passing game. And this without a 1,000 speed receiver in Terry Glenn.

I seem to remember the 'sky is falling' crowd bemoaning Terry Glenn's loss. How about now?

We should be happy with what we have, not worrying about what may or may not be.

Caryton is a solid player for this team and a fine #2 receiver.

If the team mistakes him for their future #1, it's their fault, not his.

And we have no indications that they're thinking that way.

Can't we be happy for what we've got?

We can be happy, but if the team says they look for ways to improve every week, why can't we as fans do the same?? Let's talk some real issues, not patting ourselves on the back all week, lol.

Since I was removing the Miami game, when he was hurt, it's 10 TDs -- two TDs in three games is 0.667 TDs per game, times 15 possible games is 10.

OK, cool, didn't think about taking the extra game out of the TD ratio too.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Just remember that that contract was before the salary cap explosion. I think he gets closer to James' contract than Jurevicious, either here or elsewhere.

You know, Jurivicious is a very good comparison to Crayton at this point. $4M/yr would account for about 3.5% of the total salary cap in 2008 (based on $116M that a quick Google search returned) I'm not sure how that breaks down based on already accounted for salaries in 2008 plus whoever needs/will be resigned. Obviously Crayton will be one of those to be facted in if someone doesn't thow very large sums of money at him him ala Washington.

 

[YosemiteSam]

so his being the best #3 WR in the league is meaningless?

I've thought that many times, but it's still all based on conjecture. There are some pretty good #3 receivers out there. Crayton just happens to be one of them.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

so his being the best #3 WR in the league is meaningless?

I guess my question is can he be the best #2 in the league. To me, the best #2 in the league can play #1 in a pinch. Can Crayton do that??

I don't think so. Crayton is a high quality #3 playing #2 in a pinch. Give him a Bradie contract, know that possession WRs can be found late, but the talented deep speed threats won't be found there and we need one of those badly as our #2 with #1 potential (cause of the rest of our WRs being possession WRs, except maybe Isiah). And that threat with size will go really high.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I guess my question is can he be the best #2 in the league. To me, the best #2 in the league can play #1 in a pinch. Can Crayton do that??

Santana Moss does it for Washington!

 

[InmanRoshi]

So now you need a Pro Bowl #1, and someone else who can step in a be a #1 in a pinch.

Wow, some of you overrate the WR position so severely it's ridiculous. Talk about Playstation-itis.

 

[AdamJT13]

If the injury was that big of an issue, then he shouldn't have been playing.

He wasn't playing for most of the game, which is why he didn't have a catch.

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

Figured I would get a response like this, lol. I hope you read my post without getting defensive about the guy. I like Crayton, but I just don't see him, or any other young WR on our roster as being our future #1. At the advanced ages of TO and Glenn, that is something that needs to be addressed very soon.

I don't get the obsession with having to have a #1 RECEIVER. NE won three SBs without a true #1. How about the Skins smurfs?

By the way, you act like this was Crayton's first game of his career, and that he's never faced a quality CB in his life & succeeded. This is his fourth year, and I remember several games in which he has burned good DBs. The game against a very good Panthers secondary in 2005 comes to mind. In that game, he not only caught several passes, but also had 2-3 excellent returns.

I believe we have several very good up & coming young WRs in Crayton, Hurd, Austin, Stanback, etc. That crew alone looks pretty good to me. I wouldn't doubt it if Hurd turns out to be the best out of the bunch. Could we use another WR with 4.3 speed, great hands, and super route running skills? Oh, I think no one here will cry about it if we grab one in the 1st rd. in the 2008 draft. (Did someone say DeSean Jackson?).

In the mean time, this offense is scoring at a record pace WITHOUT Terry Glenn, and WITH Crayton & Hurd filling in. I would say they are holding their own.

 

[iceberg]

I've thought that many times, but it's still all based on conjecture. There are some pretty good #3 receivers out there. Crayton just happens to be one of them.

no it was based on times thrown to and times caught.

you are looking pretty agenda driven in this but it's ok. i guess we can all get that way at times.

 

[Stash]

Wayne has been developed behind Marvin, look at their ages.

Chad and TJ are both alot younger than TO and Glenn

Who said the Panthers were smart or an elite offense for that matter.

I'm talking about things that will maintain our status as an elite offense.

No, you're speculating on what may or may not happen. And needessly criticizing a good player in the process.

There's no way of knowing what the future holds for this team, but Crayton's performance shouldn't be downplayed in the name of speculation.

We can be happy, but if the team says they look for ways to improve every week, why can't we as fans do the same?? Let's talk some real issues, not patting ourselves on the back all week, lol.

What is the 'real issue'? The fact that the guy had a career day when given an opportunity?

The fact that yet another weapon was shown in the Cowboys' arsenal?

How is Crayton's great day somehow a bad thing for some fans?

And for the record, you should drop the 'lols' in your posts Philoe.





OK, cool, didn't think about taking the extra game out of the TD ratio too.[/quote]

 

[Deep_Freeze]

So now you need a Pro Bowl #1, and someone else who can step in a be a #1 in a pinch.

Wow, some of you overrate the WR position so severely it's ridiculous. Talk about Playstation-itis.

Overrated....hmmmm. Let's look at some of the teams that not only are one year wonders, but have long term success. While everyone loves defense, those offensive teams with a decent amount of balance on defense are the teams that are good year in and year out.

Sure you have your Ravens and Bucs that popped in there over the last 10 years, but most good teams have been lead by their offense lately, with WRs being a big part of that with the new rules for how a WR can be defended.

 

[iceberg]

I guess my question is can he be the best #2 in the league. To me, the best #2 in the league can play #1 in a pinch. Can Crayton do that??

I don't think so. Crayton is a high quality #3 playing #2 in a pinch. Give him a Bradie contract, know that possession WRs can be found late, but the talented deep speed threats won't be found there and we need one of those badly as our #2 with #1 potential (cause of the rest of our WRs being possession WRs, except maybe Isiah). And that threat with size will go really high.

he looked #1 last night.

could harper be #1 in a pinch? maybe but only a pinch, ask tampa.

glenn be #1 in a pinch? hell he's spent most of his career being traded for twinkies till he got here.

who was our #2 WR in 95?

i think people overrate the #2 WR position sometimes. i KNOW philly does and they think 6 #3's is better than a 1, 2 and a 3. : )

 

[YosemiteSam]

So now you need a Pro Bowl #1, and someone else who can step in a be a #1 in a pinch.

Wow, some of you overrate the WR position so severely it's ridiculous. Talk about Playstation-itis.

Again, you underrate what a dominating receiver can do. Jerry Rice, Michael Irvin, TO, Marvin Harrison... shall I continue?

 

[YosemiteSam]

He wasn't playing for most of the game, which is why he didn't have a catch.

It's not WHY he didn't have a catch, it only contributed to not having a catch. The season will continue with him playing #2. It's up to him to prove he is a valid #2.

 

[iceberg]

It's not WHY he didn't have a catch, it only contributed to not having a catch. The season will continue with him playing #2. It's up to him to prove he is a valid #2.

just so we're clear - can we include yesterdays performance in our evaluation?

 

[YosemiteSam]

no it was based on times thrown to and times caught.

you are looking pretty agenda driven in this but it's ok. i guess we can all get that way at times.

Where? I have said it many times, I LIKE PATRICK CRAYTON! All I've said is he has yet to prove he can be a consistent starting receiver. He is getting his chance now. :bang2:

 

[YosemiteSam]

just so we're clear - can we include yesterdays performance in our evaluation?

Sure, but we will include all performances. One day doesn't make a career it can only make a career day.

 

[iceberg]

Where? I have said it many times, I LIKE PATRICK CRAYTON! All I've said is he has yet to prove he can be a consistent starting receiver. He is getting his chance now. :bang2:

Sure, but we will include all performances. One day doesn't make a career it can only make a career day.

well they're kinda backhanded compliments, or how it's coming across. sorry, don't mean to make you gus ferrorotte a wall.

i'm not sure how you prove you can be #2 w/o being #2 for awhile. glenn had quiet nights also. we're 4 games into the season and crayton has a career night. you can emphasize that game or you can de-emphasize it and look at the 3 that are more...to your liking.

he's proved he's the best #3 out there and he's getting his chance now. so far, so good. i don't think he'll ever be a #1 but you never know.

i don't think we can answer your question now, only speculate.

 

[YosemiteSam]

i don't think we can answer your question now, only speculate.

There is only one man who can answer all of our questions. That is Patrick. Yesterday was a hell of a start. We are having trouble getting our offense going until the second half. Crayton can change that. Opposing defenses will mortgage the house to stop the running, Witten, and TO. If Crayton can come alive consistently (even half the production of last Sunday) even the mighty Patriots and going to feel the heat.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I don't get the obsession with having to have a #1 RECEIVER. NE won three SBs without a true #1. How about the Skins smurfs?

By the way, you act like this was Crayton's first game of his career, and that he's never faced a quality CB in his life & succeeded. This is his fourth year, and I remember several games in which he has burned good DBs. The game against a very good Panthers secondary in 2005 comes to mind. In that game, he not only caught several passes, but also had 2-3 excellent returns.

I believe we have several very good up & coming young WRs in Crayton, Hurd, Austin, Stanback, etc. That crew alone looks pretty good to me. I wouldn't doubt it if Hurd turns out to be the best out of the bunch. Could we use another WR with 4.3 speed, great hands, and super route running skills? Oh, I think no one here will cry about it if we grab one in the 1st rd. in the 2008 draft. (Did someone say DeSean Jackson?).

In the mean time, this offense is scoring at a record pace WITHOUT Terry Glenn, and WITH Crayton & Hurd filling in. I would say they are holding their own.

Yes, they are holding there own right now. I'm just not looking at only right now.

No, you're speculating on what may or may not happen. And needessly criticizing a good player in the process.

There's no way of knowing what the future holds for this team, but Crayton's performance shouldn't be downplayed in the name of speculation.

What is the 'real issue'? The fact that the guy had a career day when given an opportunity?

The fact that yet another weapon was shown in the Cowboys' arsenal?

How is Crayton's great day somehow a bad thing for some fans?

And for the record, you should drop the 'lols' in your posts Philoe.

Don't know what a Philoe is, can't be good I guess, I will respond to your post nicely I guess, even if you aren't nice to me.

Never said he wasn't a good player or "criticized" him harshly. I just see him better in his role of a #3, and a number #2 if there is an injury to the top 2.

he looked #1 last night.

could harper be #1 in a pinch? maybe but only a pinch, ask tampa.

glenn be #1 in a pinch? hell he's spent most of his career being traded for twinkies till he got here.

who was our #2 WR in 95?

i think people overrate the #2 WR position sometimes. i KNOW philly does and they think 6 #3's is better than a 1, 2 and a 3. : )

Harper was a speed compliment to Irvin, and yes, tampa did find out he wasn't a true #1. One thing is true, if you have a #1 like TO, then your #2 doesn't have to be quite as good.

It does depend on the team of course, and its other components. Can Crayton fill in at #2 now, yes, but in our current position, we need a #2 that can develop into a #1 eventually.