Suh might win appeal?

[Nirvana]

Shouldn't the punishment for a second offense be more harsh?

This is pretty harsh though. It's taking away the key to the Lions stopping our offense in the playoffs. I am not certain how this appeal will go, but I can see it getting overturned having heard all the arguments and looked at the play again. It's practically a death sentence for the Lions' season.

 

[SDCowboy]

This is pretty harsh though. It's taking away the key to the Lions stopping our offense in the playoffs.

So? That's on Suh, not the league. Again, a game punishment is a game punishment. The timing is on Suh.

 

[honyock]

I would sure like to agree with you, but listening to the SIRIUS XM NFL channel this morning, they're all saying not only should he win the appeal, he shouldn't have gotten suspended in the first place. They were mostly basing their opinion on the fact that the NFL didn't cite his history of issues as part of the reason for the suspension. The act, just by itself, didn't warrant a suspension, in their opinion and will, therefore be overturned. We'll find out by late this afternoon, apparently.

I heard Bill Polian last night on NFLN making basically the same argument, that it shouldn't have been worthy of suspension in the first place. He said the league and the refs in particular are very clear that their job isn't to try to read intent, just to look at the action itself. He was adamant that the act itself didn't rise to the level of suspension.

He also said the league was clear that his past actions weren't considered in the punishment, just this particular action. He also went on about "upsetting the competitive balance" in the playoffs, and how it would hurt the Detroit team and fans. That one seems absurd.

I don't know, I have a feeling that the suspension will be overturned.

 

[Stash]

This is pretty harsh though. It's taking away the key to the Lions stopping our offense in the playoffs.

Is it? Is it any harsher than the number of games Rodgers would have missed if Suh had succeeded in his attempt to injure him?

Is it harsh considering Suh was already suspended two games for stepping on an opponent?

I am not certain how this appeal will go, but I can see it getting overturned having heard all the arguments and looked at the play again. It's practically a death sentence for the Lions' season.

Well too bad for the Lions then, for counting on guys like Suh and Raiola.

Maybe they will think twice about employing players like them in the future?

I not only like that Suh will hurt his team and teammates for his actions, but that he will hurt himself in his quest to get as much money as he possibly can.

I am very big on accountability and this seems to be the proper consequences for multiple terrible actions.

 

[LandryFan]

I heard Bill Polisn last night on NFLN making basically the same argument, that it shouldn't have been worthy of suspension in the first place. He said the league and the refs in particular are very clear that their job isn't to try to read intent, just to look at the action itself. He was adamant that the act itself didn't rise to the level of suspension.

I don't know, I have a feeling that the suspension will be overturned.

I have seen reports that go both ways...it will get overturned, there's very little chance it will get overturned. I wonder if there will be an approach similar to in-game officiating...let the call on the field stand unless there's conclusive evidence to overturn. That would be my hope. In the end, I don't know what to think other than to go with Garrett's philosophy and not worry about what I can't control. What will be, will be. We will know later today.

 

[Stash]

I heard Bill Polian last night on NFLN making basically the same argument, that it shouldn't have been worthy of suspension in the first place. He said the league and the refs in particular are very clear that their job isn't to try to read intent, just to look at the action itself. He was adamant that the act itself didn't rise to the level of suspension.

Stepping on 'something' not once, but twice, with no reaction whatsoever?

Yeah, that's intent.

Not responding to a push on the back of your leg?

Yeah, that's intent.

He also said the league was clear that his past actions weren't considered in the punishment, just this particular action. He also went on about "upsetting the competitive balance" in the playoffs" and how it would hurt the Detroit team and fans. That one seems absurd.

I think Polian's entire 'case' is absurd. And I'd like to see anyone's rationale for not considering his track record?

I don't know, I have a feeling that the suspension will be overturned.

I can't see how anyone with even half a brain could or would do that.

 

[honyock]

I can't see how anyone with even half a brain could or would do that.

I hope you're right but I'm not going to be surprised at all if its overturned.

Polian sounded a little weird about it. It was like he took the whole thing very personally, like he was coming to the defense of a misunderstood player. Suh isn't misunderstood. Everyone understands very clearly who he is.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

I think everyone can agree the the Raiola suspension was justified base on the fact that he stepped on a players leg with intent to harm. Now if you look at the Suh incident, if you agree that he stepped on Rodgers, and placed the entire weight of his 300 lb body on his leg intentionally, then why is this any different than Raiola?

 

[Jenky]

I heard Bill Polian last night on NFLN making basically the same argument, that it shouldn't have been worthy of suspension in the first place. He said the league and the refs in particular are very clear that their job isn't to try to read intent, just to look at the action itself. He was adamant that the act itself didn't rise to the level of suspension.

He also said the league was clear that his past actions weren't considered in the punishment, just this particular action. He also went on about "upsetting the competitive balance" in the playoffs, and how it would hurt the Detroit team and fans. That one seems absurd.

I don't know, I have a feeling that the suspension will be overturned.

Upsetting the competitive balance. WOW, so if Suh happened to further injure Rodgers and keep him out of the playoffs by what he did, that doesn't "upset the competitive balance" for the Packers?! WOWWWWWWWWWWWWW.......

 

[Stash]

I hope you're right but I'm not going to be surprised at all if its overturned.

Polian sounded a little weird about it. It was like he took the whole thing very personally, like he was coming to the defense of a misunderstood player. Suh isn't misunderstood. Everyone understands very clearly who he is.

Exactly!

As I've said before, any benefit of the doubt on him left town a long time ago.

And while I have great respect for Bill Polian overall, he's sounding foolish on this one.

I would gladly debate each and every point with him on this case.

Anyone defending it, or him, doesn't have a leg to stand on.

 

[jrumann59]

Raiola got one game for being brazen, Suh gets one game for trying to be "sneaky" most of his incidents were accidentally "on purpose" acts. He tried to make it seem it was within the flow of the game/badily momentum. He is actually worse than the scumbag Raiola because he tries to hide it in plan sight.

 

[TheFinisher]

Of course it makes a difference if he plays or doesn't play, he's one of the best defensive players in football.

 

[honyock]

Exactly!

As I've said before, any benefit of the doubt on him left town a long time ago.

And while I have great respect for Bill Polian overall, he's sounding foolish on this one.

I would gladly debate each and every point with him on this case.

Anyone defending it, or him, doesn't have a leg to stand on.

I wish you'd have heard it and called in. I'd have paid good money for that debate.

 

[Don Corleone]

Of course it makes a difference if he plays or doesn't play, he's one of the best defensive players in football.

It will make no difference. He'll be glued to the oline all game long.

 

[Stash]

Upsetting the competitive balance. WOW, so if Suh happened to further injure Rodgers and keep him out of the playoffs by what he did, that doesn't "upset the competitive balance" for the Packers?! WOWWWWWWWWWWWWW.......

Laughable, isn't it?

 

[Stash]

I wish you'd have heard it and called in. I'd have paid good money for that debate.

Me too!

I almost pulled over this morning just to rip on Bob Papa!

 

[JohnsKey19]

It makes the punishment more harsh. I've got a feeling now they may overturn it. If Suh had really stomped on the leg I'd feel differently.

To me it shouldn't matter whether it's a playoff game or not, especially since the league already deemed it worthy of a 1 game suspension knowing the playoffs begin next week. The fact that it's a playoff game should be irrelevant during the appeal process. The only way they could overturn this IMO was if Suh had no or minimal history with this type of behavior before.

 

[honyock]

Upsetting the competitive balance. WOW, so if Suh happened to further injure Rodgers and keep him out of the playoffs by what he did, that doesn't "upset the competitive balance" for the Packers?! WOWWWWWWWWWWWWW.......

Yeah. I thought that was just a stunningly stupid argument. I enjoy listening to Polian for the most part. But in that statement it was like he was talking without even thinking about what he was saying.

 

[Staubacher]

Soccer is more fair than NFL in this regard. If they red card you for a flagrant foul you miss the next game, regardless if it's regular season or a World Cup final.

There's no "we don't have to hurt the guy's team". THE PLAYER himself hurt his team and they should live with the consequences of having such a dbag on their team.

 

[Doomsay]

I'm not sure that Suh's record won't factor into the decision. Seems like previous behavior / infractions are a huge determinant of the severity of incremental disciplinary actions.

The wording of the suspension notice was specific to the act - if the arbitrators want to broaden the discussion to include issues like competitive impact, then I'd imagine that Suh's history will come to into play.